Guidance would be appreciated

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I am a 24 year old male, my penis size is 5.0 inches in length, and 4.0 inches in girth.

I don't really care about the length anymore, its the girth that really bothers me. Snug fit condoms are loose on me, which makes me wonder if I have a micro girth since its 20% below average, and for thickness that's a significant amount in my opinion below average.

I've tried jelqing for a few months, but due to my severe depression about my size I've seen no results.

My jelqing routine consisted of:

warm up with a towel 5minutes
1 minute stretch N, S, W, and E of the penis
jelq with ok grip, not too tight, not too soft, firm grip, 3-4 second strokes, about 50 decent reps per session, 4 times a week
warm down for 5 minutes with towel

I also tried a penis extender (quickextender pro) cause i heard you can get girth there and its more passive/easy to do, so its a good solution due to my depression
i've been wearing it for 4 months, and have seen completely no results


My goal is to have an average girth, thats all

if i can gain 0.7 inches in girth i will be extremely happy, but i don't know how to make that possible

can someone guide me in the right direction please?

I'm strictly focused on girth, i just want to be normal, i'm tired of my penis, and i'm really suicidal at this point.

thank you and happy new year

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Before you proceed, Please Read First

Male enhancement isn't a substitute for mental hygiene, and attempting to train when feeling very depressed can make things worse. You MUST get your mind to a more controlled state before you even think about undertaking this form of training!

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Before you proceed, Please Read First

Male enhancement isn't a substitute for mental hygiene, and attempting to train when feeling very depressed can make things worse. You MUST get your mind to a more controlled state before you even think about undertaking this form of training!

thank you for your message, as i agree that mental health has a significant effect on our penises. Its not like I haven't tried getting help, i've been looking for therapists for a long time but in my country its really hard since i dont have a general practioner, or one that specializes into what im feeling.

What do we do when our depression is merely caused by our body image of our penis?
People tend to become depressed when they can't figure out solutions for their problems. They linger on them, how about ones that they've tried to solutionize but haven't been successful in doing so?

I am physically fit currently as i workout 5 times a week at a gym, so atleast I have that.
I am currently focused on dieting and not eating sugar or junk food. Sugar has a direct link to depression.

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So first of all:
You don't have a micropenis or micro girth. Compared to average penis size you are within completely normal deviations. Don't forget that average means exactly that - there MUST be smaller and bigger ones. And btw I think your Penis Length to Girth ratio is superb.
I got 4.3" average erection girth - so I somehow understand your feelings of being "too slim". When I need condoms for myself I buy Mysize condoms. The smallest size (girth) is like 3.5"-3.8" - so yours is thick enough!

In terms of PE:
Did you consider all factors when measuring? Body fat/weight, Temperature, normal fluctuations, measuring errors?
Did you do your routine consistently? Have you tried to vary your routine / increase intensity slightly? Have you tried to pause your routine for 1-2 weeks for full recovery?
Have you ever felt slight soreness?
PE is a slow progress, even if you are PEing for months, your goal may need years, since 0.7" girth increase is huge!

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thank you for your message, as i agree that mental health has a significant effect on our penises. Its not like I haven't tried getting help, i've been looking for therapists for a long time but 1. in my country its really hard since i dont have a general practioner, or one that specializes into what im feeling.

2. What do we do when our depression is merely caused by our body image of our penis?
3. People tend to become depressed when they can't figure out solutions for their problems. They linger on them, how about ones that they've tried to solutionize but haven't been successful in doing so?

4. I am physically fit currently as i workout 5 times a week at a gym, so atleast I have that.
I am currently focused on dieting and not eating sugar or junk food. Sugar has a direct link to depression.

I think you need professional help i.e. psychologist for evaluation and psychiatrist for medication.

But I will also give you some of my opinions because I can relate to your suicidal state of mind. And don't worry I won't kill myself and neither should you.

1. I don't know what country you live in but if it is a small country try to look around the internet for some internationally available psychiatrists. And I am saying psychiatrists specifically because they can prescribe medication (which I think you need since "you are suicidal", just my opinion), whereas psychologists are "only" for talking.

And I am mentioning medication because I had suicidal thoughts too and with medication it was gone. The downside of the medication can be that your libido isn't in a good shape but I would always choose life without suicidal thoughts over the one with them and libido.

And don't listen to those that say medication isn't helpful and turns you into a zombie. While it does turn you into a zombie to some extent, you won't be like that forever. Look at the medication as a temporary walking stick. It is annoying and you would rather not use it and prefer to walk. But after that walking stick you will not only be able to walk, but even run.


2. I think that first you need to deal with your depression by talking with a professional.

THEN you need to find the right routine to increase your penis. I see that you tried two of them. Maybe the third will do the job. Or the fifth. Only you can discover this through trial and error. Look at the top performers list in Success forum, some of them did PE for 10 years or more.

Btw I am no expert in PE so take everything with a grain of salt.

3. I think the root of every depression out there is having too high expectations in life. At least that is what me and my psychiatrist concluded.

4. If, by any chance, you can't afford professional help, try to quit your gym and find alternative ways to workout. I can relate like this: I stopped doing drugs, smoking cigarettes and playing lottery and I invested some of remaining money in psychoterapy so there you go.

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Hey Sparky!

I agree with feelhappy. Your dick is just a bit below average. I started with a 5.5 X 4.4 erection and proceeded with a fairly intensive pumping regimen and increased my girth to 5.5” albeit took over 4 years. You should check out measurectionDOTcom, a support group for guys with or perceive they have small dicks.

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Go to the doctor, talk to a friend or a counselor. It's not worth being suicidal especially when you have things going for you, ie. You work out are in good shape, plus your on the perfect website to help with your problem. When I first started I was 5.25 bpel and 4.25 girth. I had no problem with sex, if you get in your head you will. Be thankful for what you do have and don't give up. You can post your success story on here in a couple years and will realize all the worrying was for nothing.

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So first of all:
You don't have a micropenis or micro girth. Compared to average penis size you are within completely normal deviations. Don't forget that average means exactly that - there MUST be smaller and bigger ones. And btw I think your Penis Length to Girth ratio is superb.
I got 4.3" average erection girth - so I somehow understand your feelings of being "too slim". When I need condoms for myself I buy Mysize condoms. The smallest size (girth) is like 3.5"-3.8" - so yours is thick enough!

In terms of PE:
Did you consider all factors when measuring? Body fat/weight, Temperature, normal fluctuations, measuring errors?
Did you do your routine consistently? Have you tried to vary your routine / increase intensity slightly? Have you tried to pause your routine for 1-2 weeks for full recovery?
Have you ever felt slight soreness?
PE is a slow progress, even if you are PEing for months, your goal may need years, since 0.7" girth increase is huge!

i've done so much research, and pleasing women through penetration girth matters significantly more than length.

Thank you for the confidence boost, i appreciate it. I will check out mysize condoms, i currently use iron grip condoms and snug fit ones as well.

Yes I have, sometimes I feel like i'm even below 4.0 inch girth, but i try to round up to a 4.

I am 5'8, 175lbs, i'm very fit, I used to have a 6 pack, but the outline still shows, i have a very good looking body, its just my penis that bothers me.

Yes I have tried variations and stayed consistent, but its been a month i stopped cause i wasn't seeing any results and my morale was completely shattered. My girlfriend also broke up with me a month ago so now this body dysmorphia is really magnified.

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I think you need professional help i.e. psychologist for evaluation and psychiatrist for medication.

But I will also give you some of my opinions because I can relate to your suicidal state of mind. And don't worry I won't kill myself and neither should you.

1. I don't know what country you live in but if it is a small country try to look around the internet for some internationally available psychiatrists. And I am saying psychiatrists specifically because they can prescribe medication (which I think you need since "you are suicidal", just my opinion), whereas psychologists are "only" for talking.

ever. Look at the medication as a temporary walking stick. It is annoying and you would rather not use it and prefer to walk. But after that walking stick you will not only be able to walk, but even run.


2. I think that first you need to deal with your depression by talking with a professional.


3. I think the root of every depression out there is having too high expectations in life. At least that is what me and my psychiatrist concluded.

4. If, by any chance, you can't afford professional help, try to quit your gym and find alternative ways to workout. I can relate like this: I stopped doing drugs, smoking cigarettes and playing lottery and I invested some of remaining money in psychoterapy so there you go.

i dont think i would ever have the courage to do so either.. killing yourself is bold as fuck, and the research that i've concluded is that people that usually do it have imminent regret if they're still conscious

thank you for the sound advice its greatly appreciate casino

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Hey Sparky!

I agree with feelhappy. Your dick is just a bit below average. I started with a 5.5 X 4.4 erection and proceeded with a fairly intensive pumping regimen and increased my girth to 5.5” albeit took over 4 years. You should check out measurectionDOTcom, a support group for guys with or perceive they have small dicks.

ill look into that, thank you, would you please share your routine maybe ill try it myself, you're giving me hope

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Go to the doctor, talk to a friend or a counselor. It's not worth being suicidal especially when you have things going for you, ie. You work out are in good shape, plus your on the perfect website to help with your problem. When I first started I was 5.25 bpel and 4.25 girth. I had no problem with sex, if you get in your head you will. Be thankful for what you do have and don't give up. You can post your success story on here in a couple years and will realize all the worrying was for nothing.

thank you for your message, i'll try my best to not give up

what are your current stats now? how long did it take you to get that? and what was your routine?

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ill look into that, thank you, would you please share your routine maybe ill try it myself, you're giving me hope

I pumped at 5 hg for 20 minutes (you need a pump with a vacuum gauge) in the morning and again at night, five or six days a week and once a week for 45 minutes at 4 hg. I also supplemented my pumping with manual exercises.

Before attempting pumping you should first condition your dick for a few months or gradually build up the intensity (vacuum level and time under vacuum) and check out the pumping stickies under the Devices Forum.

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thank you for your message, as i agree that mental health has a significant effect on our penises. Its not like I haven't tried getting help, i've been looking for therapists for a long time but in my country its really hard since i dont have a general practioner, or one that specializes into what im feeling.

What do we do when our depression is merely caused by our body image of our penis?
People tend to become depressed when they can't figure out solutions for their problems. They linger on them, how about ones that they've tried to solutionize but haven't been successful in doing so?

I truly wish there was an easy answer for you on this, but the fact of the matter is that YOU have to learn to value and love yourself- current penis and all. This doesn't mean you won't ever be able to train, but you must understand the following: the very emotions you're feeling is what's going to cause attempts at natural male enhancement to be difficult. The penis doesn't respond well to negative emotions, and attempting to force yourself through training will make things worse.

There's also very likely something much deeper at work, but I'll leave this type of speculation to the qualified professionals.

I'm also not a psychologist, so besides doing what I can in a non-medical capacity to assist others, I would still highly suggest you see a professional in some capacity before you get started. Your mention of suicide is a sign you need immediate care, so an emergency service may be an alternative, but PLEASE speak with someone about this before you think of doing something rash! It's NOT worth the pain you're putting yourself through!

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I think you need professional help i.e. psychologist for evaluation and psychiatrist for medication.

But I will also give you some of my opinions because I can relate to your suicidal state of mind. And don't worry I won't kill myself and neither should you.

1. I don't know what country you live in but if it is a small country try to look around the internet for some internationally available psychiatrists. And I am saying psychiatrists specifically because they can prescribe medication (which I think you need since "you are suicidal", just my opinion), whereas psychologists are "only" for talking.

And I am mentioning medication because I had suicidal thoughts too and with medication it was gone. The downside of the medication can be that your libido isn't in a good shape but I would always choose life without suicidal thoughts over the one with them and libido.

And don't listen to those that say medication isn't helpful and turns you into a zombie. While it does turn you into a zombie to some extent, you won't be like that forever. Look at the medication as a temporary walking stick. It is annoying and you would rather not use it and prefer to walk. But after that walking stick you will not only be able to walk, but even run.


2. I think that first you need to deal with your depression by talking with a professional.

THEN you need to find the right routine to increase your penis. I see that you tried two of them. Maybe the third will do the job. Or the fifth. Only you can discover this through trial and error. Look at the top performers list in Success forum, some of them did PE for 10 years or more.

Btw I am no expert in PE so take everything with a grain of salt.

3. I think the root of every depression out there is having too high expectations in life. At least that is what me and my psychiatrist concluded.

4. If, by any chance, you can't afford professional help, try to quit your gym and find alternative ways to workout. I can relate like this: I stopped doing drugs, smoking cigarettes and playing lottery and I invested some of remaining money in psychoterapy so there you go.

Thank you for this reply!

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Thank you for this reply!

Glad you found it useful Big Al and I hope it helps Sparky.