Aiming for Average

[BananaManCanDance Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BananaManCanDance]

Sup folks, this is my first post. Kudos in advance to all the friendly folks out there!

Starting Stats: 5.00" EL x 4.00" EG
Current Stats: 5.25" EL x 4.00" EG
Primary Goal: 5.50" EL x 4.50" EG (I would be perfectly happy with this!)
Ultimate Goal: 6.00" EL x 5.00" EG

As you can see, unlike many of you who are starting above average and somehow still insecure, I actually really need some help here. Hence my title: "Aiming for average". I've been messing around with PE for the past few months and am semi-convinced given my very slight gains, but am still skeptical of these amazing newbie gains people have been claiming. So far I seem to have gained a quarter inch, which is nice, but I really need to see some gains in girth. It would be pretty awesome if I could get 1/2 an inch or even just 1/4 an inch of girth gains, so that I could fit condoms more snugly. At my current girth they are slightly wrinkly beneath the glans = bad. The baseball bat effect is welcome. Any advice?

I've been doing some stretches and some dry jelquing, maybe 15 minute sessions 3 days on 1 day off. Not too diligently though, I don't have much privacy. For the most part I did the dry jelques at 100% erect, is this good or bad? I have difficulty staying semi-erect; I find I always end up ballooning to full erect. Also in the past week I reached some sorta new milestone where I'm starting to feel discomfort in the base of my penis when stretching, especially when stretching downwards. Does this mean I'm hitting a target ligament? I've never really observed any negative PI's yet. Only complain I have so far is one of the veins on the side of my shaft got bigger somehow... much bigger! But no biggie.

Anyway, *fingers crossed* will try to post regularly.

Cheers!

[PE4GOOD Member Find all posts View Profile Close PE4GOOD]

Banana Man: Welcome to the PE Gym! I sense your pretty down on yourself. Don't be. First, JonPop's 90 day routine would be a great place to start. He gives you a 3 month starting routine that conditions your dick for more advanced exercises. Stretching is essential for length gains and jelqing helps with girth. Most importantly, the 90 day routine gets you ready for more advanced exercises that will help with girth. When if comes to jelqing (especially at the start), use a LOW erection level. I know exactly what you mean about getting hard quickly. I did too. Jack off a short time before jelqing and stretching. That will curb the urge to get hard. Listen to what your body says--back off if an exercise feels too intense. Check out the "how to" videos this site provides. That will give you a visual of the proper techniques. Finally, tell yourself that your dick IS going to get bigger. Attitude helps. Develop a routine for your time and privacy (I'm married with 3 kids so I know) and stick with it. Best wishes!

[PhibbysHammer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PhibbysHammer]

Hey Nannerdude,
As far as your erections, you need to get rid of it during exersize. Try blowing a load, resting a few minutes and then starting over with a nice plump flaccid. If you are erect, your chamber is full of blood and your body automatically restricts new blood flow limiting the efficiency of your jelg. I'm guessing you have a low LOT as most of us (around 6 O'clock) and you are indeed irritating the suspensory ligament which is good but you don't want to "OVERDO" it. Pain means "TOO MUCH" so ease off a bit. Discomfort means "worked" which is ok. Dry erect jelgs aren't going to do you much good right now. You need to be doing wet Jelgs with a 30-40% erection or Plump flaccid. Veins will get larger and this is good. Busted veins and vessels is bad. as long as there is no bruising or hemorrhaging its ok. "Not too diligently" means not too good a chance of gains. You need to dedicate yourself to a consistent routine and be faithful to it. If you decide you really do want to make it bigger, then make a comittment and give it 110 % and I'm sure you'll surpass your goals by leaps and bounds!!

Good Luck!

[BananaManCanDance Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BananaManCanDance]

Hey guys,

Thanks for your replies, its motivating! I've decided on sticking to JP's beginner routine starting today. Something he said about continuing on days until you have a "down day" seems to make a lotta sense to me, do you guys think that idea can be applied to his beginner routine or should I stick to the 5 days on 2 days off timing?

Yes my LOT is 6:00 so I will do my exercises pointed forwards/upwards, and I will work on keeping low erection levels during the exercises. Unfortunately due to lack of privacy issues I will have to do light jelquing as my warm up and I will have to do dry jelques instead of wet jelques. Do you guys see this being problematic? I guess the problem with dry jelques is that you can't get both hands going one after the other like you can with some lube. I might be able to squeeze some wet jelques in during my showers, but will ultimately have to rely on wet jelques.

Thanks!

[PhibbysHammer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PhibbysHammer]

HEAT IS ESSENTIAL!! Warmup with HOT water int he bath if you have to......10 minutes minimum. If you don't get it heated up you aren't going to have any success and you risk injury. Use sore muscles as a cover and do HOT baths. This affords you more time and a good warmup/reheat source.

[BananaManCanDance Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BananaManCanDance]

Hey Phibbys,

This rice sock thing confuses me. I totally hear ya on the need to be warmed up, being a seasoned weight trainer myself. But in all my years at the weight room I've never heard of someone taking a hot bath before weight-lifting or putting a hot towel over their muscles - we always warm up by jogging or doing your first set with lighter weights. I don't see why it can't be the same with PE?

Actually now that I search through the forums I can see a bunch of people doing their own custom warmups, like kingpole doing bed fowfers. I'm gonna have to stick to one of these stealth-type warmups. I've tried it already, I just wear some solid sweat pants, jump into a blanket and play around with my dick gently for a while, and soon enough circulation is going and my dick is hot (this I can do before bed without raising any eyebrows). In fact, sometimes I find if my body is hot in general, my dick is already hot too and I don't even need to warm up.

Anyway I'll post on my progress and how my stealth warm-ups work out, thanks for watchin my back man.

[JonPop Retired Sr. Administrator PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close JonPop]

You need external heat, not just body heat. You need to heat the collagen in your penis so that it can be deformed. I'll try a to find the link.

[PhibbysHammer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PhibbysHammer]

This is one of those times when our accepted label doesn't do justice to what we are labeling.

Warmup is what we call it when we get our units heated up and ready for exersize. Warm DOES NOT get it done though.
I'm sure if 100 guys hung their willies out and we took temperature readings they could all be classified as "WARM", however none of them would be ready to exersize.
We HEAT up before exersizing to do many things. Following are some of the most important to me
1. Increase blood flow
2. To break down the collagen
Collagen is the substance that holds the cells of your body together. Next to water, collagen is the most important structural substance in our bodies. Collagen makes up 75% of our skin, and 80% of our connective tissue! Collagen is also the material used by the body to rebuild new cells, new skin, hair, nails, teeth, connective tissue, cartilage ligaments, joints, bones, arteries, blood vessels, immune cells, genetic material, retina, cornea, lens of the eye in crystalline forms, and all body mass.
Collagen
3. To soften and make more elastic our all components such as tendons and ligaments for maximum stretching
4. To open up skin pores which enhances the repair and regeneration
5. To excite every component of our unit right down to the cellular level which enhances the repair and regeneration synthesis

As JP said , body heat will not do it. Nor will blankets or sweaters. You need to "HEAT UP" with something that will exceed 110 degrees at least.
STOP WARMING UP AND START HEATING UP!!!

[JonPop Retired Sr. Administrator PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close JonPop]

Thank you PH, I am still trying to find the post that went into great detail about collagen starting to becoming mallable at 103 degrees. I believe it's at BetterMan but a quick search hasn't turned it up yet.

[slimjim Member Find all posts View Profile Close slimjim]

DUDE...i know what you mean bro. im like very insecure about my dick. what i measure is non bone press and im forsure 5.5 if i press to the bone im 6"..
im was really glad to hear of you small gains. make me want to stick with this routine. ill be tow months when i get home from offshore. then ill measure again. i wish you all the luck man. i want to hear you gain that next .25. ok

Sup folks, this is my first post. Kudos in advance to all the friendly folks out there!

Starting Stats: 5.00" EL x 4.00" EG
Current Stats: 5.25" EL x 4.00" EG
Primary Goal: 5.50" EL x 4.50" EG (I would be perfectly happy with this!)
Ultimate Goal: 6.00" EL x 5.00" EG

As you can see, unlike many of you who are starting above average and somehow still insecure, I actually really need some help here. Hence my title: "Aiming for average". I've been messing around with PE for the past few months and am semi-convinced given my very slight gains, but am still skeptical of these amazing newbie gains people have been claiming. So far I seem to have gained a quarter inch, which is nice, but I really need to see some gains in girth. It would be pretty awesome if I could get 1/2 an inch or even just 1/4 an inch of girth gains, so that I could fit condoms more snugly. At my current girth they are slightly wrinkly beneath the glans = bad. The baseball bat effect is welcome. Any advice?

I've been doing some stretches and some dry jelquing, maybe 15 minute sessions 3 days on 1 day off. Not too diligently though, I don't have much privacy. For the most part I did the dry jelques at 100% erect, is this good or bad? I have difficulty staying semi-erect; I find I always end up ballooning to full erect. Also in the past week I reached some sorta new milestone where I'm starting to feel discomfort in the base of my penis when stretching, especially when stretching downwards. Does this mean I'm hitting a target ligament? I've never really observed any negative PI's yet. Only complain I have so far is one of the veins on the side of my shaft got bigger somehow... much bigger! But no biggie.

Anyway, *fingers crossed* will try to post regularly.

Cheers!

[luvmywife Member Find all posts View Profile Close luvmywife]

Welcome aboard Bananaman! Sorry about your lack of privacy. I tried being "private" for a short while and then had to tell the wife so she could help me get privacy for PE. It was hard telling her but I am very glad I did. I would remind you to stick as close to Jonpop's newbie routine. Don't try to do to much to fast or you will either injure yourself or burnout. I have to hold myself back and remember the Aesop's Fable of the Tourtose and the Hare...the moral of that story is that slow and steady win the race! Best of luck to you and hope to see you with me in the "Winner's Circle".

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

Sup folks, this is my first post. Kudos in advance to all the friendly folks out there!

Starting Stats: 5.00" EL x 4.00" EG
Current Stats: 5.25" EL x 4.00" EG
Primary Goal: 5.50" EL x 4.50" EG (I would be perfectly happy with this!)
Ultimate Goal: 6.00" EL x 5.00" EG

As you can see, unlike many of you who are starting above average and somehow still insecure, I actually really need some help here. Hence my title: "Aiming for average". I've been messing around with PE for the past few months and am semi-convinced given my very slight gains, but am still skeptical of these amazing newbie gains people have been claiming. So far I seem to have gained a quarter inch, which is nice, but I really need to see some gains in girth. It would be pretty awesome if I could get 1/2 an inch or even just 1/4 an inch of girth gains, so that I could fit condoms more snugly. At my current girth they are slightly wrinkly beneath the glans = bad. The baseball bat effect is welcome. Any advice?

I've been doing some stretches and some dry jelquing, maybe 15 minute sessions 3 days on 1 day off. Not too diligently though, I don't have much privacy. For the most part I did the dry jelques at 100% erect, is this good or bad? I have difficulty staying semi-erect; I find I always end up ballooning to full erect. Also in the past week I reached some sorta new milestone where I'm starting to feel discomfort in the base of my penis when stretching, especially when stretching downwards. Does this mean I'm hitting a target ligament? I've never really observed any negative PI's yet. Only complain I have so far is one of the veins on the side of my shaft got bigger somehow... much bigger! But no biggie.

Anyway, *fingers crossed* will try to post regularly.

Cheers!

How old are you son?

[scythe Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close scythe]

hello there BananaMan
Your starting stats are EXACTLY the same as mine.

However there is no reason to be insecure. Be deciated, persevere and you can get there.

Good luck my friend.

[BananaManCanDance Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BananaManCanDance]

Wow, I seem to have attracted some attention, thanks for your replies everyone I really appreciate it. Cheers!

How old are you son?

CENSORED

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I guess I should add, I've played a fair bit of "baseball" but have never taken it to "homebase" given my condom fit issue, which is a serious sticking point as you can imagine... compounded with the fact that I have only one more year in college, you can see I have HUGE motivation for PE.

You need external heat, not just body heat. You need to heat the collagen in your penis so that it can be deformed. I'll try a to find the link.

This is one of those times when our accepted label doesn't do justice to what we are labeling.

Warmup is what we call it when we get our units heated up and ready for exersize. Warm DOES NOT get it done though.
I'm sure if 100 guys hung their willies out and we took temperature readings they could all be classified as "WARM", however none of them would be ready to exersize.
We HEAT up before exersizing to do many things. Following are some of the most important to me
1. Increase blood flow
2. To break down the collagen
Collagen is the substance that holds the cells of your body together. Next to water, collagen is the most important structural substance in our bodies. Collagen makes up 75% of our skin, and 80% of our connective tissue! Collagen is also the material used by the body to rebuild new cells, new skin, hair, nails, teeth, connective tissue, cartilage ligaments, joints, bones, arteries, blood vessels, immune cells, genetic material, retina, cornea, lens of the eye in crystalline forms, and all body mass.
Collagen
3. To soften and make more elastic our all components such as tendons and ligaments for maximum stretching
4. To open up skin pores which enhances the repair and regeneration
5. To excite every component of our unit right down to the cellular level which enhances the repair and regeneration synthesis

As JP said , body heat will not do it. Nor will blankets or sweaters. You need to "HEAT UP" with something that will exceed 110 degrees at least.
STOP WARMING UP AND START HEATING UP!!!

IMPORTANCE OF WARM-UP:
JP and PH, thanks for the input, the point on collagen and the point on getting heat to the base / ligaments makes sense. I've started taking the last few minutes of my shower in hot water, and I can feel the difference in the base of my penis and improved effectiveness of stretching exercises. In fact this may have contributed to further gains! (see below).

I have to say though, I'm finding external heat is only beneficial for stretching exercises, not so much for jelquing. Unless you are taking a break every 2 minutes throughout your workout to reheat, or you're wearing a heated glove while jelquing, I've found that after a few minutes, the heat remains in the base / ligaments but has completely dissipated from the shaft / glans. Any thoughts?

PROGRESS UPDATE:
I've done a cycle of JP's routine over the past week and seem to have gotten another 1/8-inch length!

May 1 2009: 5.00" EL x 4.00" EG
Jul 21 2009: 5.25" EL x 4.00" EG
Aug 1 2009: 5.375" EL x 4.00" EG

I now officially believe in PE! YESSS. However, despite these very encouraging length gains, I am still struggling with girth, which I want much more badly. Here are some of the difficulties I'm having:
- Still can't go more than 10 jelques before ballooning to 100% erect.
- Tried blowing a load first, didn't work. For the first five minutes, was too flaccid to jelque, and once I started getting blood I had the same problem.
- Seems like my starting girth is so small that my finger starts to hurt pretty quickly while trying to jelque

Anyone else go through the same struggles?

hello there BananaMan
Your starting stats are EXACTLY the same as mine.

However there is no reason to be insecure. Be deciated, persevere and you can get there.

Good luck my friend.

Hey man, wow, I guess we can be PE buddies... ha.. ha. Glad to hear there's someone else in the same boat. Let's do this, man!

Aite that's a wrap for this week's update, thanks for your help guys!

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

Sounds like your doing alright.