Zabel's progress log

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Hi everyone,

After having a small skin issue while working out yesterday, I decided to take a rest today (I'm doing 2 on 1 off JP90 at the moment, and today should have been the second day on). As I'm trying to stick to PE and not miss any workout day, I've switched training to creating a log today. Let's hope I create a log interesting enough for people to read, where I can find motivation whenever I need it. Feel free to cheer me up if I'm fading!

I googled about PE probably two or three years ago, just out of curiosity (never had problems with my length/girth, but a bit more is always welcome). I probably worked out for a couple of days before stopping, perhaps not very interested on it (I didn't learn anything else than the word "jelq", which led me to my second research this year, some months ago).

I moved on the first days of september to a new home, and had still a few days before the university restarted. This is the first time in my life where I'll have a room for myself alone, so I decided to learn something about this, and give it a try. I also started doing gym exercises (which I already did regulary during winters for some years). My objective on both things is making myself an organized guy who can set goals and fight for them, and so far I think that PE is helping me a lot on developing what I wanted.

I have a girlfriend for three years now, who has always been happy/pleased with my penis size (she's even trying to convince me to set a bit lower goals). She knows about my PE journey from the start, and it's a funny stuff to share. She's making kegels after my recommendation, so hopefully I'll also report some gains on her side!

I'm almost getting out of time, so I'll write the important stuff briefly:

I've been doing PE for almost two months now. I did the page's beginner routine of stretches and regular jelqing (skipped some kegel days, though), on sunday, tuesday, thursday usually. I did a big mistake, which was not measuring until my second week of PE (I had no ruler or tape yet!). I was happy with both routine and gains, even though I don't see it bigger. I use the rice sock, but many days I've done shower routines with hot water as warm up and shower gel as lube. I have a water based lube (meant for sex) which goes nice for PE.

The gains seen in this first 45 days (6 weeks) routine were:
BPEL: 0.6 cm (0.25")
NBPEL: 0.8 cm (0.3") Even though I had a 1cm gain after week 5, probably bad measurement.
EG: 0 (tape problem: I have to buy a new one with milimetric precision; the one I have is bad for tracking small gains)

Considering that I had my first measurements on week 2, I'm happy with those gains. I've read that beginner gains come from EQ many times, but I had a great EQ before PE (so far I've only seen improvements on morning wood, but as I'm saying I've always been great with EQ). So, are these actual, non-EQ related gains? I hope so.

Now I've moved into JP90. V-jelq is feeling great, and counting is nicer than waiting for the cronometer to tell me it's over. I've already asked about my injury in the introduction's part of the forum, I will relate about it in my next post. Comments are more than welcome!

Edit to keep track of measurements. I'm only stating the gains, so obviously the first measurement is 0:

Start (Sep 10th (but measurements from Sep 23rd))
BPEL 0
NBPEL 0
EG 0

October 1st
BPEL +0.2 cm (0.07")
NBPEL + 0.4 cm (0.16")

November 1st
BPEL +0.7 cm (0.28")
NBPEL + 0.9 cm (0.35")
EG +0.0 cm

January 1st
BPEL +1 cm (0.4")
FL 12 cm (4.75") +???

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I was forgetting about goals:

I don't want to give my measures here (probably I'll change my mind later), but considering that I was "0.0" cms when I first measured, I've set the following goal:
BPEL +3cm (+1,25")

Girth is not important to me right now, but depending on how I go through my PE journey, I might be setting some, or even eventually pursuing girth goals over length goals.

As a curious note, my girlfriend would not like me to go over the +1cm (0.4"), but I think I'm on my way to convince her. I bet she won't complain about the results...

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The small injury I commented in the first post was a small itchiness and reddish skin I had from jelqing, because I pinch my skin a little near the scrotum. I've received some advices in another thread, and I'll try to apply them. So far, after two monts of PE, I hadn't had many problems on this issue (maybe a bit of itchiness after working out, but just a small skin issue), but somehow I managed to make a small injury the other day. I'm also resting today, since I can still see the skin is a bit red in the same point (lower base of the penis, near the scrotum). I'm raring to resume training, but that will be tomorrow.

Some small comments that come to my mind, that were not explained in the first post:
The flaccid length and girth is looking greatly improved (I said I wasn't seeing erected gains yet, even if the ruler said so).
I'm going to buy, if I find a good one, a new tape tomorrow.
Morning wood has become a handy indicator for me. I used to have it before PE, but I have felt interesting changes: it comes harder somedays (perfect day for PE, it means it's well rested and asking to make exercise), and softer somedays too (especially felt that after having done two consecutive days, so I think that my body is telling me that 2 on 1 off is the perfect pace).
I've been measuring weekly during the first 6 weeks, and now I'm considering turning into a bi-weekly schedule. I'll be measuring the gains of the week (the first one of JP90) tonight, having mixed feelings (I know, anyways, that one week won't make the difference).

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Great session this morning, probably one of the best one's I've had! I usually do PE at night, but I was home alone and decided to make the most of the situation.

I have an erection problem while stretching; I become too erect. I managed to get the correct level (near 0%) in my previous routine, but JP90 includes kegels and, what's worse, those delicious big circle stretches... I've been told that, as it happened with jelqing, finding the correct level of erection is a question of time, so I'll just go on. I've had to cut the big circle stretches from 10 to 5-7 because of the erection, but anyways I stopped and used the rice sock to continue warm while waiting for the erection to subside. What pisses me is that going from 90% to 60% erection is way easier than going from 40% to 10%!!

The skin problem I had has been solved, basically, by jelqing standing. It's been a fantastic jelqing session with a 50% erection. More lube and lighter jelqing also helped with the skin issue. The hair is growing again and it's starting to disturb, so it's time for some manscaping.

I've also bought a new tape with milimetres, and will take measures of girth this evening. Yesterday's measures gave an extra 0.1cm from previous week, so it's a total of 0.7cm (0.28") from the start. I'm near my first, short-term goal (1cm), but no rush at all, as I'm growing faster than expected. I will measure once again next weekend, and then I'll move into a biweekly schedule.

Feeling good!

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Second day on, and, as usual, not as great as the first one. Still, it was a decent workout. I got a good morning wood, similar to yesterday's, but while doing PE I felt a bit more tired.

Stretching started great, but I had to fight an erection. Is stopping for long while waiting to the erection to subside bad or irrelevant? I use the rice sock on the meantime. I jelqed with a varying level of erection, quite low at the end. Happily, no skin problems at all. I was thinking about doing less jelqing, but I will stick to the routine as it is. I've seen that many people do incremental approaches to the amount suggested by JonPop, but I was doing PE for 6 week before starting this routine, so I might already be conditioned for this conditioning routine :P

I measured girth yesterday with the new tape, and it showed no gains from my first measurement, two months before. That first measurement, however, was not very precise as the tape had only 1cm increments. Anyways, I'll be able to track girth gains more precisely now, so I don't want to worry about no gains yet. If I have no gains after JP90, I'll definitely move to pursue girth gains.

Flaccid length and girth are obviously improved, at least, so overall I'm confident of being on the right track. Now I'm doing some reading on cementing and ballooning. It's obviously soon to think about the first, but it's good to know how things work; about the second thing, I have serious doubts, and I might go for edging alone.

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Rest day today. The last couple of days' routines have not been great. I had to miss the warm up of the first day because I couldn't use the microwave (not at home), so changed it for 15 minutes of fowfers, and the second day I had to do a shower routine.

Hopefully, I'll be back to normal conditions tomorrow and I'll be able to focus on quality PE sessions!

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Last night's routine was good but not great. The stretching was better because I was able to keep flaccid easily, but then jelqing gave me a bit of itchiness in the skin. Building my way up to my first centimetre!

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The sock is on, good music playing. It's going to be a good session, you bet!

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Time to write again, isn't it?

I had some antivirus problems that messed my laptop a bit, mixed with the fact that I overtrained (morning wood was almost gone), so I took a week off the routine and the page.

Today I've got a not rocky but good, and long lasting morning wood, so I think I'm on the good track again. I fear that someone will think I did wrong, but I abandoned JP90. It was too much for me, and it took my morning wood off. I did 45 days of PE before starting JP90, and morning wood had become my top sign to tell if I was doing good, and I lost it while doing JP90.

I could have cut the routine and do less, but I read an interesting one that works progressively (by ryan_W) and decided to give it a try. It also follows, more or less, a 2 on 1 off schedule, and is pretty simple to do. I decided to join it in the fourth section, as I'm sure I'm more than conditioned for it.

This is the fourth section, that I'm about to end:
Section 4 (9 Days)
15 Minute Warm Up
130 Kegels (Days 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 Only)
10 Minutes of Jelqs
20 Minutes of Edging
Warm Down
Jizz Days are days 1, 5, and 9
Rest Days are days 3, 6, and 9

And a link to the complete routine

As ryan himself says, if I feel that I'm not ready to move to the next step, I'll just repeat the current section. I decided not to focus on size gains to track if I'm doing good. I'll just focus on morning wood, number of erections per day, and that kind of things to see if I'm working correctly. On the other hand, I think that I measured, extraofficially, a 0.2-0.3 centimetres gain in girth the other day :P I'll get the official measurement around the start of December.

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read up on TGC theory, you may gain hardness by increasing erection %. As you gain length your smooth muscle can be falling behind in growth, ie softer EQ.

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I will read about that, thanks.

Edit: Already read parts 1 and 2, will mesure my BPFSL this evening. I'd say my EQ is at least 9, as I'm young (21) and very healthy.

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Got some problems trying to measure BPFSL (I stretched the skin on the lower abs so much that I wasn't able to bone-press!) I'll try to do it after a warm up, but looked quite weird...

Anyway, completed the second day on today, so tomorrow I'll be resting. Got a good morning wood when I woke up all of a sudden because of the alarm clock.

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Resting today (with some JAI stretches when I go to pee). Fifth day of consecutive morning wood, and the greatest one, as I edged for 30 minutes before sleeping.

I've moved to the fifth section of the training, which is:

Section 5 (9 Days)
This section has been split up into 2 Sets to make it easier to do.

Set 1
15 Minute Warm Up
140 Kegels (Days 2, 4, 6, and 8 Only)
15 Minutes of Jelqs
Warm Down

Set 2
20 Minutes of Edging

Jizz Days are days 4 and 8
Rest Days are days 3, 6, and 9

I'm messing a bit with the jizz days, as 2-3 times in 9 days is something I'm not going (or thinking) to do. As long as I edge before ejaculating, I allow myself to do it once a day. I end up ejaculating about 5-6 times a week, with 1-2 being during intercourse. Now that the routine separates edging and the rest of it, it's easier to plan when to jizz, to avoid a possible interference with gains. I'm sure that masturbating once a day or even more hasn't had negative effects on me so far, so as long as I edge before ejaculating (once again, I haven't had any PreE problems), it's fine to continue with that rhythm (masturbating when I feel like, which usually is a bit less than once a day).

Other than that, I'm fine with this routine. I'm probably undertraining a bit now, but the progressive nature of it will solve that. I'm close to december's measurements (I'm still wondering how to measure BPFSL, as a lot of skin comes with the stretch and I can't bone-press properly), having a good feeling about girth after an extraofficial measurement mid-month.

A note on warm up: I sometimes "forget" that I'm warming up, as I'm on the computer, and warm up for 20 minutes or even more. As there's no such thing as overwarming, I have the feeling that warm up is not part of my routine in a "time consuming" sense. Great thing

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I measured BPFSL in a bit weird way, but I think it worked:

I stretched my flaccid penis and made a mark on a paper put on the table. Then, without moving my body, I took the ruler and bone-pressed to check the mark on the paper. Repeated the process a couple of times, and it gave a very similar result, so I think I might have got it.

The difference is, I'd say, small (according to TGC theory), as in the best of the situations BPFSL is only 0.4" greater than BPEL, which falls in the range of suggesting that Tunica is my limiting factor. My EQ, 9 in my worst days, would come to confirm that.

If I'm not wrong on my analysis, the TGC theory is suggesting me to focus on length exercises. However, I'd say that I'm not yet conditioned to leave the beginner routines, and I'm still uncertain if I've hit any kind of wall despite my apparent Tunica limitation. I've found a routine that I like, and that is getting me morning wood (my favourite positive PI), so I think I should continue on it at least until new year.

Is this thinking okay? Any suggestions? I'd like some feedback, thanks

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Looks like your right on track, I do think a more girth oriented routine to shorten the difference between BPEG and BPFSL, could push your EQ to a 10. Food for thought, after orgasm your test drops off, and builds up to a 7 day high, at 21 yrs old could a higher test help you gain size from the natural side of growth?