My Way There

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I've been keeping a log elsewhere since I started Dec. 22, but figured that I might as well keep it here. I'll copy and paste my log so far in my next post so it's all in one place and everyone can see what I've been doing.


Here is my introductory thread: https://www.pegym.com/forums/introdu...me-lurker.html


My starting stats are:
BPEL(in): 6+11/16, or 6.688
MSEG(in) (measured Jan. 9, not start): 5+3/8, or 5.375


For greater precision (and so I don't have to deal with this 1/16in bullshit), from now on I'm going to measure in cm and then convert.


My goals are:
Short term:
BPEL: 7.00in
MSEG: 5.50in
Long term:
BPEL: 7.87in (20cm)
MSEG: undecided


I have yet to have sex (although gf says probably the upcoming semester), and how it goes after I've reached 5.50in MSEG will determine my final girth goals.


I also want to increase flaccid hang, but because it is so variable and difficult to measure I don't see the need to measure it. I'll judge purely qualitatively by simply looking at it, since with flaccid that's all that matters anyway. I may measure BPFL at some point just out of interest or to see if changes in it will reflect erect changes. I did measure it about the time I started PE and saw that unless I mismeasured, it was significantly less than BPEL (around 6in).


My other PE-related goals are to have the willpower/ability to edge consistently for long periods without releasing (I've been consistently releasing immediately after PE'ing), decrease length of refractory period, to have the ability to consistently DO, and to be able to consistently MMO in other ways.


As far as kegels go, I've been doing rbi99's suggested routine every other day (https://www.pegym.com/forums/beginne...l-routine.html) backwards, as Pirate suggests in the first response. I skip the one second kegels in favor of 100 quick kegels to warm up at the beginning and 100 quick kegels at the end. I also skip the longest hold because I don't yet feel completely ready to add it. On the off days for this routine I do 5 sets of 100 quick kegels. After edging and releasing, I always do 100 quick kegels to get my PC muscles used to still working after orgasm.


Because of my ultimate goals to DO and MMO, I may start working on the kegels for minuteman's guide to DO (https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...asm-guide.html), but I'm still figuring out a way to incorporate his exercises into my current routine/deciding whether to replace my current routine completely with his. I may start doing them every other day instead of the 500 quick kegels. I'll decide once my EQ is back to normal (I think I slightly overtrained my PC muscles about a week ago after going straight back to my routine after taking about a week break from kegeling), since I've been skipping the 500 quick kegels every other day.


I also think that physical fitness (specifically cardio fitness) is extremely important for EQ, among, of course, other things (general health, energy levels, etc). I ran cross country in high school, but since (sophomore in college now), I've been pretty lax about exercising. I feel considerably less energy than I did in high school, which I attribute to the lack of cardio. I recently acquired a jumprope, but have yet to implement a consistent routine. I also plan on continued with the strength training routine that I started last semester. To denote physical training I adopt Jay1983's shorthand PT, but am unlikely to go into much detail with regard to non-PE PT.

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Following is my log up till now. I detail what I do pretty precisely, but I rarely comment on how the sessions actually go. Part of the reason I chose to make a log here is so I have more incentive to add more about that stuff.

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Dec. 22
JP90, edged for 15min w.o
Got very hard after a bit of jelqing, didn't get as hard after more, after getting soft head got smaller first, but felt very heavy both while hard and until completely soft. Small (normal size) when soft


Dec. 23
Afternoon: edge 12min w.o interspersed with 3 10s uli
Night: 100 jelq, 60 v-jelq, edged for 12m w.


Dec. 24
JP90 stretching, edge 10min w.
100 kegel


Dec. 25
JP90 stretching
flaccid hang after shaking: 10.5cm
Edge 13min w.


Dec. 26
JP90
Edge 9.5min w.
100 quick kegel


Dec. 28
JP90 stretch, JP90 stretch.reverse, JP90 jelq
Edge 15min w.o interspersed with 2x15s+1x10s uli


Dec. 29
JP90 stretch, JP90 stretch.reverse
Edge 14.5min w.


Dec. 30
Afternoon: modified rbi99 kegel routine
Night: Edge 12min w.


Dec. 31
Edge 1hr w.
Edge 5min not completely hard w.


Jan. 2
Morning: Edge 15min w.
Night: Edge 20min w.


Jan. 3
JP90 stretches
2/3 JP90 jelq
Edge 10min w. with 1x15s uli


Jan. 4
JP90
Edge ~15min w.


Jan. 6
JAI throughout
Edge 17:15min w.


Jan. 7
JP90 stretches
Edge w.o


Jan. 8
Edge 23min w.o


Jan. 9
JP90 stretches, reverse circles
MSEG: just under 5+3/8
Edge ~10min w.


Jan. 10
left side hurts near base
Modified JP90: 15 hold, 5 circle, 50.O, 30.V
Edge 17:15min w.


Jan. 11
50.O, 10.V, 100.O
Edge 17:30min w.
100 quick kegel
Edge ~5 w.


Jan. 12
Morning: Edge short w.
Edge ~10min w.
100 quick kegels


Jan. 13
Morning: modified rbi99 kegels
Night: 15 quick kegel OLRUD, 7s circles for OLR, 5s for UD
50.O, 30.V
Edge ~12:50 w.
Lots of helis, LAS, etc to promote bloodflow and prevent turtling


Jan. 14
15 quick kegel LROUD, 5s circles for each
50.O, 30.V
Edge 26:20 w.o, began to get soft at 25:00. A few minutes before that had the urge to but caught it, small amount leaked out but no pulses
A bunch of helis

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By the way, does anyone know how to add my signature to posts I made before I made one? I can't find an option.

EDIT: Figured it out. Have to edit the post and then go to advanced view.

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Update on kegel routine:

I decided to just start the routine in minuteman's DO guide. Because my PC muscles are already pretty strong and I have very good isolation, I'm going to start at level 2.2 so I can focus on technique and timing. I tested a few reps of the 5s tri-step kegels in that routine and can do them with pretty good control, so it does seem like this is a good level for me to start at.

The only problem is that I have never trained reverse kegels. I know how to do them but don't seem to have perfect isolation (as I have some trouble breathing during them), so I may have to modify the reverse kegel routine. To be honest though, I'm not so worried about having my reverse kegels down and don't see how they could help me personally. However, I will start working on them as well.

Also, because from looking through the forums it seem that it's not possible to get perfect or even close to perfect isolation between kegels and root locks, I'm not going to worry about the difference and act like they're the same. If as I get better I notice I can get fairly good isolation of the two I may think differently then, but for now I'm not going to worry about it.

I do notice that when I do my kegels lying down it feels like it flexes more in back than when I do them sitting leaning slightly forwards and I don't quite get the same feeling, nor do I get a warm feeling after doing a long flex (all of these suggesting they may be root locks rather than kegels), but I'm not going worry about that and simply do my kegels sitting up.

EDIT: I will still begin and end each kegel workout with 100 quick squeezes (may do the same once I have a reverse kegel workout set), and will also continue doing 100 quick squeezes after ejaculating.

EDIT2: Actually, I'm going to start with 1.5 so I have some practice with the other exercises first.

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No regular PE today.

I just edged for ~20min with emission and did 100 quick kegels after. Hadn't been planning on the release, but got to the PONR (had gotten to it a few times before) and didn't have the willpower to stop (something I'd like to work on improving).

After about 10min, my erection quality suddenly dropped dramatically, possibly due to the kegels I was purposely doing to increase bloodflow. The kegels may have worn out the PC muscles. However, to get it hard again I just held a kegel until I was completely hard. For me, holding a kegel leads to PONR. After getting hard I continued for a while until I decided to hold a kegel again since I thought it was getting soft, and that's when I reached and went over PONR.

The sudden drop in EQ after ~10min may also be due to overtraining kegel muscles previously, even though the last kegel workout I did was Jan. 13. It may also be due to not having properly conditioned kegel muscles, but I doubt that's the case. It's either due to my wearing them out by kegeling consistently while edging or overtraining them previously. Hopefully the first, but I'll see.

As another note, the last few times I jelq'd I got hard while doing them and had to briefly stopped, which I take as a good sign. That never happened before; usually I had trouble getting hard enough to do them.

I also haven't been getting morning wood, but I think that's a sign of slight sleep deprivation rather than a sign of overtraining, since in the past I rarely had morning wood. I only started getting it last semester when I was sleeping considerably more.

I'm going to lay off edging for a bit. While edging my EQ is very good, but the sudden decrease worries me, and I feel like releasing so often might be a factor. About a week ago I was experiencing decreased EQ, which I attributed to overtraining with kegels and releasing too often. This may be a remnant of that.

My final decision is to continue PE, but lay off edging and kegels for a little. I may start one of the lower levels of minuteman's DO guide that I am definitely conditioned for to make sure my PC muscles don't atrophy.

Other people's thoughts are very welcome. Note that during edging EQ was quite good. 9 or 10 until the drop 10 minutes in.

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As an update on the situation, last night I slept a lot longer and did actually get morning wood.

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Just had a PE session.

Stretched OLRUD for 25 short kegels each, with 5s circles each way after each, as usual. Then as a sort of test I began to try to edge but had some EQ problems (took a while to get hard, and low EQ once I did), but decided to continue PE'ing anyway. Did 50 o- and then 30 v-jelqs and then edged for ~6min without release.

While jelqing during the regular jelqs I began to get hard a few times, but by the end was mostly soft, and was mostly soft for the v-jelqs, which I take as a negative PI.

While edging it also seemed shorter than usual, probably due to the lower EQ, which I also take as a negative PI.

I also noticed some soreness near the base on the right side (possibly from the ligament, not sure). Given everything else I also take that as a negative PI, although it's possible that they're unrelated. Not going to risk it though.

Despite all this, there is no turtling, although I have experienced turtling in the past (usually after ejaculation). This suggests that the penis itself may not have been overtrained, just the PC muscles, but I'm still not going to risk it.

All in all, there is clear sign of overtraining of some sort, whether it is just the PC muscles or the penis itself, so I'm going to take a short period off of PE'ing until I notice improvement, however long that may be. In that period I may edge a little or do light kegel work. I'll update the log as I go on.

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Last night before I went to sleep I wanted to see if the endurance of my PC muscles had decreased since I haven't really been doing any kegels apart from while ballooning, so I tried to hold a flex as hard as I could for a minute, and could pretty easily, only beginning to strain a little in the last ten seconds. I've actually never held a minute kegel before since I haven't tried since I started my last kegel routine. I don't know why I could hold one for so long even though I think I've overtrained my PC muscles and because of the problems I've been having, but whatever.

I probably got less than 5 hours of sleep, a little less than I've been getting, since I went to seep earlier than usual but naturally woke up a few hours earlier.

At around the same time I've been getting up I began to get hard, probably morning wood. I take that as a positive/neutral PI.

Also, I started the kegel routine in Minuteman's DO Guide. I'm starting at level 1.5. I finally realized the benefit of reverse kegels. After the workout I tried to do a kegel and realized that I really was getting a fuller "range of motion" sort of effect, which I think is due to the reverse kegels. I guess that's what's meant when people say reverse kegels relax the pelvic floor and keep it less tense. I like it.

I read somewhere (and agree) that getting a fuller "range of motion" will help have more shooting ejaculations rather than simply dribbling, something I like and would like to aim to have consistently. I think I can have shooting consistently, but only if I consciously flex my kegels hard while ejaculating. The full "range of motion" should help with that, and may be why some people, even after doing strengthening their PC muscles considerably, still have dribbling ejaculations. See https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...there-%5D.html. Particularly, kingpole and rbi99 have pretty intense kegel workouts but both normally dribble rather than shoot (rbi99 especially; I don't actually know much about kingpole's kegel routine). This could easily explain these people's issues, although I do also think rbi99 is onto something when he suggests that ejaculate consistency might also come into play. Regarding Peter North, well, we don't know if he does reverse kegels or not, so we can't apply this theory to him. We do know that he does very intense kegel workouts though. He may either be an exception or a case where he has strengthened his PC muscles enough that it simply doesn't matter (since he also does kegels with considerable resistence, as opposed to doing mainly endurance exercises). I do believe that his pelvic floor must be pretty relaxed though.

EDIT: kingpole actually doesn't specifically whether he normally dribbles or shoots there or not (although his post implies mainly dribbles), just the same thing on thick vs thin ejaculate and that thick is healthier (something I actually disagree with). One person (who I misremembered as kingpole) said that when they started kegeling they started shooting farther, but as they continued went back to dribbling; this may be due to pelvic floor imbalance/overly tense PC muscles.

A few people also said that if they edge for 15-20 minutes then they tend to shoot rather than dribble; I merely attribute this to a harder orgasm.

Also, in post 16 of that thread minuteman refers to the pelvic floor muscles as PFM; from now on I'm going to do that rather than simply saying PC, since it's really PC and BC, and I've been saying just PC out of convenience.

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Yesterday I didn't do any PE, but I did edge for a few minutes without orgasm. Today I edged twice in a row, the first time for probably around 15min, then did 100 kegels, and the second time for around 3 minutes after I got fully hard (had to stay at PONR in order to keep hard, and decided to just let go).

I also tried to measure. I first tried inches and it looked like I was getting over 6.75, but when I went to cm it looked like I was at exactly 17cm, which is almost exactly my original measurement; I think I was beginning to get soft before I took the measurement though, so I don't know full size. I'll measure again some other time to get the official length.

EDIT: I'm going to leave it alone for about a week, edging every three days or so, and see what happens. I really do think I overtrained somehow, so might as well. I may continue with my current kegel routine; I'll post any updates.

Also, when I orgasmed today it wasn't very hard, and ejaculate was of thick consistency. I didn't drink anything today, so I may be slightly dehydrated; that may also have caused the problems I had trying to measure, and could definitely restrict me from getting to full size; I will of course measure more accurately some other day to see.

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Also, tomorrow I'm going back to school so I'm probably going to have less time to PE. I'll probably end up skipping the ballooning sessions I've been having after PE, which is probably good since I almost always ejaculate afterwards, which is probably the reason for overtraining and may retard gains.

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Also, tomorrow I'm going back to school so I'm probably going to have less time to PE. I'll probably end up skipping the ballooning sessions I've been having after PE, which is probably good since I almost always ejaculate afterwards, which is probably the reason for overtraining and may retard gains.

I never Edge/Balloon after a PE session, I always wait at least 2-3 hours.

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Yeah, that's probably a much better idea. Thanks for commenting, btw; it was beginning to get lonely lol

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I haven't been able to go on since my previous post since I've been with my gf. No sex still, but I ejaculated once two days ago (Sunday) at night and once in the middle of the day yesterday (Monday).

As far as PE goes, I did ~20 JAI stretches Monday during the day and OLRUD stretches for 15 quick kegels each, with circle stretches for 5s each direction after each of those.

I have not been doing any kegels apart from that and 100 quick kegels after every ejaculation.

Also, I've been getting hard randomly during the day today, which is a good sign.

I'll get back to PE shortly. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to fit in with my current schedule and being with my gf.

I also may do one round of level 1.5 of minuteman's kegel routine from his DO guide tonight, and and if I don't feel like I overtrained I'll start doing them consistently. Although I haven't been mainly since I couldn't remember all the parts and didn't have time to check.

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I did one round of level 1.5 from minuteman's kegel rountine from his DO guide yesterday during the day with no problems, so I'll do it again today.

Last night I masturbated and ejaculated in a little over a minute, which is probably due to my gf coming back 4 days ago but not orgasm'ing since that day. I could have gone for longer by decreasing stimulation, but I decided to just continue. I'm not so worried about PremE, since I can usually last as long as I want by changing stimulation; it's just a matter of willpower. I do hope to learn to push of PONR with solely kegels and reverse kegels, although doing that while moving during sex I would imagine to be quite difficult, although I have yet to have sex.