Ballooning & MMOs & Questions

[kushpush Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close kushpush]

Hello,

I am new to the forum, but I have been reading them for a few days. Very useful information all around.

BACKGROUND:
I have been doing edging for years. Never found it to have any effects on my size, although that was not why I was doing them. I did them for pleasure and also to improve ejaculatory control. Tried many many times for "dry orgasms" or stopping ejaculation by kegaling, but would inevitably get partial ejacs or retrograde ejacs.

I should also mention that due to doing lots of kegaling, and also light kegals near the PONR during edging, my pelvic floor muscles became pretty twitchy and I started having occasional PremEjacs. I have since been trying to do lots of reverse kegals to relax the muscles a bit, and also try to control their involuntary contractions on the in-stroke during masturbation or sex. I think I am getting some minor improvement, though still a decent ways to go.

BALLOONING/MMO:
SO a few days ago I saw the ballooning FAQ on here and maybe read one or two threads, and decided to do it a three nights ago. I was in bed, had some visual stimulation on (pictures/video of GF), and essentially massaged myself till hard, and then massaged my frenulum/glans till getting close to PONR at which point I would move the massage around mid-shaft and a bit to the side (SS - Sweet Spot for now). The first few times this would just pull me back from PONR. But after a few times, after an hour, I noticed both a tingly, electrifying, effervescent sensation in all of my body, as well as noticed that I was now massaging that SS only. I dont know which came first. I also noticed that my muscles felt a bit bubbled out in my perineum. Like a reverse kegal but without any of the other muscles being involved like abdominal or lower back muscles. Perhaps (involuntary) isolated muscle reverse kegal.

At this point I started having MMOs. Extreme amounts of tingly sensation through out body. No twitching in the pelvic muscles, but a very very tiny gentle wave like sensation somewhere in the perineum area, not sure where. There was also lots of clear pre-seminal fluid. About half a teaspoon with each orgasm. I must have been in this state for about two hours, massaging the SS, and these orgasms for most of the duration. I would guess maybe 40 to 50 such orgasms (Minuteman has called these "RO" - Rolling Orgasms I think), but it could be much more. I lost most of my awareness, and actually dont even remember looking at laptop. Also, after some point, I was able to do this even by massaging on the frenulum. BTW, I got nothing out of massaging the top of the glans, as some here have suggested.

I also noticed that I did not have the pressure buildup in the perineum or prostate area as I usually would with edging. Perhaps due to constant release of prostatic fluids. AND I also noticed that at about half of the times I was actually not even hard with maybe an EQ of 5. Most importantly I did not get tired, and infact the sessions extended out so long because I felt even more energized.

THE NEXT DAY:
I felt a tingly all over my body for the whole day, and at times slightly frazzled nerves. I felt more energetic, and my body felt lighter. I also briefly worried if there are risks of too much endorphins in body. Apparently there are not. I also noticed that if I had sexual thoughts or directed my thoughts and energy towards my genitals, I could have a slightly gentler version of the above orgasms.

The next two nights I was able to replicate the orgasms, but they were more difficult to attain, most likely because the penis felt a bit more desensitized. Also, I didnt have the tingly sensations. Just would approach PONR, and would then ride out and over the PONR. Lots of pre-seminal fluid, no semen, and no retro-ejac.

Last night I was a bit closer to the first night. I difference I noticed was that sensitivities would go up and down during the same session. For example, at time A I could easily massage the frenulum, and 2 minutes later I could only massage at the very base to keep from having a wet orgasms.

QUESTIONS:
1. How does one transition this from solo to duo? (Since during intercourse you can choose which spots you receive stimulation on) I am really looking for various advice regarding this.
2. Is the suggestion to not stimulate the frenulum just function advice (ie. to not go induce ejac orgasms) or is there some concern with ballooning with frenulum stimulation?
3. Any advice on learning to flex and relax the PC and BC muscles in isolation for other muscles and from each other?
4. MMOs with not being fully erect - Any possible problems with this?
5. Any cautions or things I need to look out for?
6. Any suggestions for things to try?
7. Advice on how to use this to also learn dry orgasms? I think my kegals are strong enough, but can never figure out the exact timing and duration of kegal squeeze.
8. It seems I can only achieve these ROs after about an hour of stimulation and after multiple approaches and retreats from PONR. Suggestions to make this doable sooner?

Thats it for now.

NOTE:
I take Zinc, Magnesium, and Saw Palmetto. My intent is to reduce hair loss (not having much luck).
I also regularly drink ginger tea and agree with KP suggestion of the erection tea. The ginger tea definitely increases the residual tingles the next day.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Ok so, i will try and answer most of this.

First of all congratulations on the rolling/wave orgasms which you had but took it far more further than i imagined (and gave me some ideas in the future).

Now there are many kinds of rolling orgasms, and one of those are the one you had, it pretty much depends on how your body is feeling when achieving different forms. What you had was on of the "in the zone" wave orgasms that would just lock you there and give you immense pleasure, although i didn't have much awareness to count them. You will in time experience other forms.

As for the "aftershock" that you felt the next day it is natural, i did felt the same way. Later on when i had more of those i would begin to be able to recall and have a tiny wave orgasms just by slightly kegeling or just plain standing and concentrating. Of course if you don't edge for a longer period of time you will "forget" the sensations but they will come back.

In that logic wave orgasms are useful for flushing your nerves and make them more functional, since you have moved your "orgasmic energy" in form of waves to all the parts of your body. It is like a energy pathway opening.

One thing that you should have in mind that what you just did is hard for most people to do in a long period of time so be proud but don't be "proud" if you get my meaning.

From this point onward it is going to be a little harder to let go and to go into wave/rolling orgasms because you will be expecting it and wanting it. The trick is to relax and don't care about that stuff but that isn't easy for most people, don't be bogged down by success.

Now for the "answers":

1. As the time pases and as you learn to "harness the energy " you will be able to go in that state with different forms of stimulation, for example i didn't balloon but i edged into my first rolling. In time you will learn how to transition that into edging and sooner or later you will be able to transition that into sex if the partner is patient enough and searches for the same thing, other than that i can't tell since i lack the experience

2. It is mostly in order to avoid going over the edge, other than that there is no concern.

3. Hmm maybe wave kegels, read the post in my sig for more info. Also the pelvic lift variations might help. But usually there is no need for that, once you fall of go into wave orgasms (at least for the most types) the body takes care of the control and you are only left with brain blowing pleasure.

4. In you are experienced enough you can experience MMO without even touching your penis, it just means that you have learned to experience your orgasm with your whole body, that is why you did have those feeling the day after. In time you will notice that in some other parts of life you have been experiencing orgasms of that sort but didn't identify them as such.

5. Well, try to not have wave orgasms to often. There are several reasons, one is because of the newness of the thing, if you do it to much it will not be as special and the orgasm strengths will fall. Also orgasms are in a way a shock for the body so give your body a rest from time to time.

6. You should experiment in what every way you think that is the part of the excitement you are not missing up on anything

7. Since you have conditioned your body trough wave orgasms your body will take care of that, as the time passes you will just "know" when to do it, or better yet your body will. Just relax and it will all come in time like the rolling orgasms did.

8. There are people that can't achieve them in more than who knows how many hours, don't rush anything or you will just fuck up the natural pace of your body. In time you will learn with your body how to do it. You body is your greatest master and student

As for the hair loss it is probably from the high testosteron levels. I thing that hight testosteron levels might be connected to the ability to learn have wave/rolling orgasms faster, i might be wrong...

[kushpush Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close kushpush]

First of all congratulations on the rolling/wave orgasms which you had but took it far more further than i imagined (and gave me some ideas in the future).

Far further? Ideas?

Now there are many kinds of rolling orgasms, and one of those are the one you had, it pretty much depends on how your body is feeling when achieving different forms. What you had was on of the "in the zone" wave orgasms that would just lock you there and give you immense pleasure, although i didn't have much awareness to count them. You will in time experience other forms.

I have typologist tendencies. So I am very interested in discussing the various forms of orgasms, and especially as it relates to MMOs.

From this point onward it is going to be a little harder to let go and to go into wave/rolling orgasms because you will be expecting it and wanting it. The trick is to relax and don't care about that stuff but that isn't easy for most people, don't be bogged down by success.

I understand that part.

But that leads to another question: I understand I cant be having the tingling wave orgasms everyday, but I am still able to MMOs through ballooning. The same orgasms described above, but in less intensity. Is experiencing those on a daily basis good or bad for increasing ejac control? And does doing these lesser ROs detract from being able to experience the more powerful wave/ROs at other times?

1. As the time pases and as you learn to "harness the energy " you will be able to go in that state with different forms of stimulation, for example i didn't balloon but i edged into my first rolling. In time you will learn how to transition that into edging and sooner or later you will be able to transition that into sex if the partner is patient enough and searches for the same thing, other than that i can't tell since i lack the experience

When you did it through edging, was it essentially full on stimulation?

3. Hmm maybe wave kegels, read the post in my sig for more info. Also the pelvic lift variations might help. But usually there is no need for that, once you fall of go into wave orgasms (at least for the most types) the body takes care of the control and you are only left with brain blowing pleasure.

You know I am not 100% sure what my pelvic muscles are doing during those rolling wave orgasms. I am not controlling them. They seem relaxed, but there also a slight sense of puckering. I wonder what exactly is going on, and to be honest both times I didnt want to spoil what I was experiencing (or go into ejac orgasms) by forcibly relaxing or flexing my pelvic muscles to find out more. As you said above you have to be in a particular mind and body state, I suspect one has to have their pelvic muscles in a particular state to be able to ride that wave.

5. Well, try to not have wave orgasms to often. There are several reasons, one is because of the newness of the thing, if you do it to much it will not be as special and the orgasm strengths will fall. Also orgasms are in a way a shock for the body so give your body a rest from time to time.

I suspect this will be hard to do. It feels like all the positive aspects of masturbation amplified 10X, without ANY of the negative aspects like tiredness, sleepiness, etc.

As for the hair loss it is probably from the high testosteron levels. I thing that hight testosteron levels might be connected to the ability to learn have wave/rolling orgasms faster, i might be wrong...

I have thought of that, but that would be the ONLY symptom I exhibit. I dont have aggression, edginess, heavy facial/body hair, acne, etc. Although I think I may more likely have excess of DHT given the hair loss, occaisional PremEjac, and excessive precum.

Thank you for your responses. I am taking all your points and suggestions into consideration.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Re question 4, I have been doing this for many years without problem.
question 1, Through a combination of adjusting your body to change stimulation,stop/start and kegel contractions.
Standard DO and standard mmo, are easier to achieve duo than rolling orgasms.
If you can achieve ro duo, it can be an intense spiritual experience.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

The best thing you can do now for yourself is just enjoy the new sensations you have and DON'T WORRY about anything. This is the best answer and advice i can give to you to this point. The fact that you have achieved wave orgasms are a good sign that you and your body communicate well and in time you will have all the answers. Plus each body is different.

I mean it would be like you where dumped into a room full or toys and you are asking me to tell you which one should you pick up to play with first

[kushpush Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close kushpush]

Re question 4, I have been doing this for many years without problem.
question 1, Through a combination of adjusting your body to change stimulation,stop/start and kegel contractions.
Standard DO and standard mmo, are easier to achieve duo than rolling orgasms.
If you can achieve ro duo, it can be an intense spiritual experience.

Just to be clear, when you compare MMOs and ROs, you are talking about the same mechanisms (going THROUGH the PONR), but slightly different, but very significant, outcomes, right?

If so, I am actually looking to MMOs duo, and suppose that ROs will constitute some percentage of those MMOs
As an aside note, I have had that lost in the tingles feeling before during intercourse, although it was without the MMOs. Approached PONR, backed off, and spread the built up tension and energy around my body taoist-style. The lady said that she felt my body was vibrating.

The best thing you can do now for yourself is just enjoy the new sensations you have and DON'T WORRY about anything. This is the best answer and advice i can give to you to this point. The fact that you have achieved wave orgasms are a good sign that you and your body communicate well and in time you will have all the answers. Plus each body is different.

I mean it would be like you where dumped into a room full or toys and you are asking me to tell you which one should you pick up to play with first

Not worried. I just like to analyze and know things. Too curious. But thanks for the reminder.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Well RO is a form of mmo ,but yes the mechanical mechanism is similar. The head space is different though, RO is more yin, if you think of tai chi as a martial art, it's application is subtle but can be powerfull.
Ok ,it sounds as though during duo ,your energy became a little diffuse. This vibration or hum ,if it flows from a center in what the japs call tan den (near your center of gravity) ,or pelvic area you will get a sexual response. The hum seems to set up kegels that match the orgasm wave at an instinct level. It can also center in different areas, such as the head which has a different effect, be carefull with that if you are concerned with being spaced out.

I am aware how esoteric this is to most members. There is no need to use this form to achieve mmo,MM and kush are suited to it,others may not be. If you wish to achieve mmo through more direct methods, there is lots of advice available.
I have actually been reluctant to talk of this style.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

Almost forgot, try to have a wet orgasm at the end of your wave/rolling orgasms session if you hit the right time (i had to pause a little to leave the wave) you can have a wet wave orgasm. It is like every time you flex to get your semen out not only will you feel it you will have an orgasm (a full body) every time you flex all combined into one big orgasm (again full body) for the duration of your ejaculation, i have very much enjoyed that but was only able to do it once or twice. Not to mention that my enjoyment was amplified because i didn't expect it. (I wrote about it somewhere in my log...)

[Pirate Retired AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Pirate]

Very interesting thread and well beyond my experience. I will follow this discussion with considerable interest.

[nikos Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close nikos]

after ballooning practise and edging ,and a lot of practise from 3 minutes i can last over 20 minutes..before i masturbated for 20 minutes and i didn't reach the ponr!!!!

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Well done nikos, it is all about self improvement and this is a very grounded example. I thought few would read this thread due to it's esoteric nature.