PE Gym's Top Performers

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Okay, fair enough. What is the purpose of posting that here though, it seems like a bit of a random thought pattern to have on a thread like this? Would it not have been better to make a thread for your ideas because they seem a little off-topic here. It is either you opening the discussion with people about methods used versus their temporary or permanent effect, OR it is just you going on a rant about the topic. Either way it is off-topic for the thread. This is besides the point that I disagree with what you are saying...

The debate between device versus manual is on going. Hey, you may gain faster with devices but keep this mind that most of it is temporary meaning expanded cellular walls which will reside in time.
Take pumping iron for example. When you get done with your workout at the gym, your arms look bigger but only really because they are filled with blood engorging them but after they settle down, they will go back to normal according to muscle mass. The same really applies to engorging the penis to high pressure where even all the capillaries are also filled to capacity making your penis look bigger but really it is temporary until the pressure slowly resided.
Now, with those who jelg, it like those who slowly build in weight at the gym where your body gets the time is needs to adapt step by step which is really the way the body adapts to change the best because a change is happening on a biological/physiological level. Those who really gained (not temporary) more so did by jelging which took years to achieve.

Now, we come to cementing. Can you really cement what you really yet have not actually gained? Well, can you really say use added muscle mass because you get a good pump at the gym? Hell, no. Being a former weight trainer, I can tell you it takes with a solid and safe weight lifting schedule (4 days a week) it takes most men 3-6 months to add an inch or so on the guns of actual muscle fibers which were meant to adapt to resistance in the first place unlike the penis. You cannot force your penis to get any bigger than the body will allow and can repair and rebuild else all you will be doing it really stunting any real gains and affect the PI.
Don't get me wrong, clamping or pumping can still be used in assistance along with jelging but never abused because you want fibers and not just cellular wall expansions.

[thenewdude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close thenewdude]

Apparently, you did not read all the post, my man on how this started nor really have read on the big gainers mainly using jelgs and why. I suggest you read up on all the post then come back to me with your question on what is has to do with this post.

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

No offence but I don't really understand what you mean in this post because of your English, except for the last sentence.

The way I see your above post is that you cannot cement gains gotten from pumps or clamping because they are only temporary, unless combined with jelqing. I had to read your message a few times and this seems to be the jist of it. From spending days (not even hours) going through all of the members' threads, posts, personal details, sign-up information and so forth in order to comprise this top performer's thread I can assure you that your opinion is incorrect.

While a lot of the members on the thread have done jelqs and stretches, there are a lot who have made the predominant of their girth gains from pumping and clamping. A lot had done jelqs in their early PE career but gave them up in favour of these other exercises/devices, hence the abundance of people having jelqed on the list. Jelqing and stretching are in every single beginner routine there is.

In relation to your criticism, I can list several mods off the top of my head that JUST pump for girth and have had great permanent gains from it over the course of years. Some have claimed that they have stopped for months and retained their size, and there have been countless members who have done the same.

If your point was to be a more general criticism against these two devices, an opinion which is counter-factual to the people claiming otherwise, then fair enough but its place on this thread is veering the thread off-topic toward a general discussion of permanent versus temporary gains. If you still insist your point persists to the top performers, then your view is also counter-factual to the guys on the list and it would appear to have been posted as an attempt to somehow undermine people's gains on the list by saying they are temporary if not combined with something like jelqing. I would have preferred if it was the former, as the latter does not say much about your character.

Apparently, you did not read all the post, my man on how this started nor really have read on the big gainers mainly using jelgs and why. I suggest you read up on all the post then come back to me with your question on what is has to do with this post.

[milai Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close milai]

It's amazing how different people are! I mean with the rate difference! However, good luck to all of you. May you one day have the cock of your dreams, hehe in a non sexual way of course!

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Yeh definitely, and the thing is, the variety of different exercises, techniques, routines, days doing PE, time per session, and on and on, all vary from person to person for the most part (I say most part because an abundance of guys started with JP90). When I put down "jelq" or "stretch" and other exercises on the list it was for ease of reading and so as to not clutter the list, but if you go into the links to their routines/logs, you will see the variety of different types of variations on these exercises and routines is incredible. Some seriously innovative bunch there

It's amazing how different people are! I mean with the rate difference! However, good luck to all of you. May you one day have the cock of your dreams, hehe in a non sexual way of course!

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

ssssteve added

[burtybasset Retired Moderator Member of the Month May 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close burtybasset]

Daaaaaammmnn! sssssteve is on par with JP

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Maybe in 11-12 years we might see our names up there too Although I am not sure if I would want to gain that much from my initial starting size, would be a monster of a thing haha

Daaaaaammmnn! sssssteve is on par with JP

[sssssteve Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sssssteve]

its just a matter of sticking to it. progress slows WAY down after the first few inches.

[sssssteve Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sssssteve]

Daaaaaammmnn! sssssteve is on par with JP

I am working on beating him now that I have reset my goals again. if I reach them then it will be 4.25" gained.

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

its just a matter of sticking to it. progress slows WAY down after the first few inches.

Hey brother at what age did you start PE?.. if you don't mind me asking.

[MrPriapus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrPriapus]

The debate between device versus manual is on going. Hey, you may gain faster with devices but keep this mind that most of it is temporary meaning expanded cellular walls which will reside in time.
Take pumping iron for example. When you get done with your workout at the gym, your arms look bigger but only really because they are filled with blood engorging them but after they settle down, they will go back to normal according to muscle mass. The same really applies to engorging the penis to high pressure where even all the capillaries are also filled to capacity making your penis look bigger but really it is temporary until the pressure slowly resided.
Now, with those who jelg, it like those who slowly build in weight at the gym where your body gets the time is needs to adapt step by step which is really the way the body adapts to change the best because a change is happening on a biological/physiological level. Those who really gained (not temporary) more so did by jelging which took years to achieve.

Now, we come to cementing. Can you really cement what you really yet have not actually gained? Well, can you really say use added muscle mass because you get a good pump at the gym? Hell, no. Being a former weight trainer, I can tell you it takes with a solid and safe weight lifting schedule (4 days a week) it takes most men 3-6 months to add an inch or so on the guns of actual muscle fibers which were meant to adapt to resistance in the first place unlike the penis. You cannot force your penis to get any bigger than the body will allow and can repair and rebuild else all you will be doing it really stunting any real gains and affect the PI.
Don't get me wrong, clamping or pumping can still be used in assistance along with jelging but never abused because you want fibers and not just cellular wall expansions.

No actual science in your post, just opinion.

Jelqing, pumping and clamping are essentially doing the same thing; engorging the penis to expand the cellular walls. The penis is an organ, not a muscle. Comparing the principles of weightlifting to PE is an old, tired, and fallacious analogy.

[sssssteve Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sssssteve]

Hey brother at what age did you start PE?.. if you don't mind me asking.

17. I started jelqing and doing kegels... a few months in, I tried clamping, and hanging out of curiosity. then about a short time after that, I ordered a pump. I hardly had a clue as to what the hell I was doing. I started lifting weights when I was 14, lost a lot of weight (65 lbs), and was really reinventing myself. I remember some of the internet research I did at the time (which was vague and nowhere close to what it is today) that said to do things like "when stretching, pull on it until it hurts then hold it until you cannot stand the pain anymore" and "jelq for an entire hour; if you are doing it right your penis should end up hot to the touch and very swollen"

if there is something stupid an inexperienced person could have done to their penis... I did it. overtrain, clamp for too long, too much pump pressure... hell, one day out of curiosity I decided to see what it would feel like if I strapped a cinder block to it.

I joined this forum to help people be not-stupid (like I was) with their PE routines... and for all I know, I could have met my 9 inch goal years ago if it wasnt for being dumb.

[Joint-Expansion Senior Member Member of the Month August 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close Joint-Expansion]

I have gained a solid inch in erect girth since I began PEing, about 15 years ago, from 4.75" to 5.75".

Work has been primarily air and water pumping, with some erect squeezes / Uli's thrown in.

Certainly has been a LONG, slow road, but I do hope to crack into that 2 inches in length column one day as well.

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

I have actually been meaning to get your details off you for a while now as I remember seeing that you gained an inch in girth in other posts

Firstly, well done, congrats on the dedication to pump for 15 years. What was your starting length and what what age did you start at? For my stats etc.

I have gained a solid inch in erect girth since I began PEing, about 15 years ago, from 4.75" to 5.75".

Work has been primarily air and water pumping, with some erect squeezes / Uli's thrown in.

Certainly has been a LONG, slow road, but I do hope to crack into that 2 inches in length column one day as well.