Pelvic exercise can fix venous leak ??

[aayus Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close aayus]

Reverse kegels, hindu squats and all yoga stretches did nothing. I can get full when I bend my knees. For somewhat anatomical reason ? but I don't know what is that anatomical reason ? ligament ? nerve ? muscle ?

actually i also have same problem as yours..i can get fully hard when my knees are bend .but can't get full hard when my knees are not bend..i wanted to know if yours condition has improved or if it has been cured..

[DaniAlman Member Find all posts View Profile Close DaniAlman]

Guys one last question regarding pelvic floor, what exactly is levator ani syndrome ? I cannot find much info besides being pelvic floor tighteness ?

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

The only honest answer any of us can give you is that we cannot help you.

You are systematically going down a list of possible injuries, you have no clue what is wrong and neither do we.

There are no internet answers. Many of the injuries you are inquiring about have different symptoms. You need to go see a medical professional because until you have an actual diagnosis you stand a greater chance of making things worse than you do of improving your condition

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

The only honest answer any of us can give you is that we cannot help you.

You are systematically going down a list of possible injuries, you have no clue what is wrong and neither do we.

There are no internet answers. Many of the injuries you are inquiring about have different symptoms. You need to go see a medical professional because until you have an actual diagnosis you stand a greater chance of making things worse than you do of improving your condition

Agreed: 100%!

The following is highly recommended reading on this subject: The Perils of Self Diagnosis

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

The only honest answer any of us can give you is that we cannot help you.

You are systematically going down a list of possible injuries, you have no clue what is wrong and neither do we.

There are no internet answers. Many of the injuries you are inquiring about have different symptoms. You need to go see a medical professional because until you have an actual diagnosis you stand a greater chance of making things worse than you do of improving your condition

It is sad because this guy simply will not listen. His mind is all made up!

[Maxz Member Find all posts View Profile Close Maxz]

The original question was that can pelvic exercise fix venous leak. The answer is no it can't. The only cure for venous leak is penis implant. You can cope with the issue with pills and injections some years but in the end they will stop working and only thing that is left is an implant.

[DickerSchwanz Senior Member Member of the Month Sept 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close DickerSchwanz]

Yes PF exercises can help and possibly fix it.

The only cure for venous leak is penis implant.

b.s and highly irresponsible. Salesman for implants?

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An implant is for very unfit people who can`t fix the underlying issues. Often going along with diabetes issues or cell and muscle issues that come along with age and/or unhealthy lifestyle. Or arterial health problems will also have an impact on the penis.


"Venous leakage" happens to all organs. Organs are provided fresh blood via arteries and the veins transport it away. Normal!
Same goes for the penis. It's literally the function of veins to "leak" blood out of the organ. The penis is full of veins to do that. Or else the penis would die due to stale blood.

Special case with the penis is that it occludes the veins that transport it out of the CC's to keep the blood to maintain an erection for a limited time.
Basically 2 ways the penis does it..

First, the inflow and release of chemicals during arousal opens the smooth muscles that sit below the tunica and allow fresh blood to flow in via the penis arteries.
The pressure and expanding smooth muscles push the tunica to until it can't expand anymore. That leads to the veins that transport the blood out of the smooth muscles to be closed of by the hard tunica. The veins that thread through the tunica are now closed off.
There's still blood moving out of the erect penis but the blood moving in is more.

Second the ischiocavernosus muscle is grabbing/squezzing onto the CC's that split into the "inner penis" behind the pubic bone which keeps the veins from leaving there increasing the systolic pressure.

Both mechanisms work together. A failure at any of these, including the arousal chemicals, will lead to the penis not shunting off the outflowing veins properly.
If that is due to the tunica or PF being "faulty" due to injuries that can't be fixed then maybe an implant as guy above that is the last resort. Same goes for chemicals being so off that they can't be fixed.

Sedentary persons with bad arterial blood flow will also have low blood flow to the penis and chemical imbalances. So everything comes together there.
A healthy human uses the legs a lot. The legs are downstream the penis which and both basically us the same "arterial circuit".

If your PF is tight or cramped it will prevent the arteries from letting blood flow in enough amount and pressure. An imbalanced PF will also prevent the IC's from doing their work on the CC's.

The good ol Reverse Kegel can open the arterial pathways into the penos while. A trained IC can hold more blood in the penis than an untrained IC.
A really hard full front RK can increase the pressure too. If the tunica is healthy and the IC works properly that pressure is also kept up by the function of tunica and IC.
Running will move the blood and workout the arteries AND will help the chemicals.

Imo "venous leakage" of the penis is a symptom downstream of other problems. Some very easy ways like RK, Pf training, relaxation, healthy lifestyle(sleep, food, training legs) to fix these before going the operation or implant route. It's still a lot of work to do. Maybe some rather do an operation like people doing the stomach narrowing operation instead of diet and sports.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

The original question was that can pelvic exercise fix venous leak. The answer is no it can't. The only cure for venous leak is penis implant. You can cope with the issue with pills and injections some years but in the end they will stop working and only thing that is left is an implant.

This is incorrect. See: Pelvic floor exercise versus surgery in the treatment of impotence

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

I guess it all depends on the cause of the venous leak. As a diabetic, pills and injections stopped being effective after five years and exercise had no effect. However, medical grade pumping worked and an implant, as a last resort, would probably work.

[Maxz Member Find all posts View Profile Close Maxz]

All those who have venous leak and use Google are familiar with this old publication about pelvic floor exercise and venous leak. That document is almost 30 years old and there is not any similar documentation from this century. I have discussed with hundreds of men on different ED net sites who have venous leak and everybody is aware of Kegels. Almost everybody has tried those but no one has been able to get rid of the leak. There have been some very minor improvements but no real success. Kegels might help those who have ejaculation problems but they will not help with venous leak. I have suffered about venous leak all my life. I don't have any diseases. I was born with the leak. Currently I am thinking about the implant but I am also waiting new treatments for ED.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

First thing if you have vl what are the results of your hormone test the actual numbers?

The study Al linked has not been challenged rather follow up studies useing pelvic floor exercises for ed have supported it . An issue here is that vl is a rather vague term and it's specific use haphazard . However if you want a more recent study that specifically refers to vl here is a reference.

How to cite this article: Al-Helow MR, Abdul-Hady H, Fathalla MM, Zakaria MA, Hussein O, El Gahndour T. The role of biofeedback in the rehabilitation of veno-occlusive erectile dysfunction. Egypt Rheumatol Rehabil 2014;41:179-86

How to cite this article: Al-Helow MR, Abdul-Hady H, Fathalla MM, Zakaria MA, Hussein O, El Gahndour T. The role of biofeedback in the rehabilitation of veno-occlusive erectile dysfunction. Egypt Rheumatol Rehabil 2014;41:179-86

There are significant numbers of men that are helped by pelvic exercise , more are helped by hormone improvement and more by various other treatments . An implant is a last ditch treatment suitable for a small % .

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

All those who have venous leak and use Google are familiar with this old publication about pelvic floor exercise and venous leak. That document is almost 30 years old and there is not any similar documentation from this century. I have discussed with hundreds of men on different ED net sites who have venous leak and everybody is aware of Kegels. Almost everybody has tried those but no one has been able to get rid of the leak. There have been some very minor improvements but no real success. Kegels might help those who have ejaculation problems but they will not help with venous leak. I have suffered about venous leak all my life. I don't have any diseases. I was born with the leak. Currently I am thinking about the implant but I am also waiting new treatments for ED.

If you have a severe leak- especially something congenital- this is different from the case of most men with mild to moderate issues. If you've attempted kegels and have failed, this is no reason to assume others who aren't in your situation wouldn't benefit.

The age of the study should bear no relevance to the content, especially with a valid study of 150 men involved.

With all due respect, you are incorrect in stating there's been no further research done on kegels & VL. Here are some more modern studies on the subject:

The role of biofeedback in the rehabilitation of veno-occlusive erectile dysfunction Al-Helow MR, Abdul-Hady H, Fathalla MM, Zakaria MA, Hussein O, El Gahndour T - Egypt Rheumatol Rehabil

https://academic.oup.com/ptj/article/94/12/1731/2741899

Another issue which can contribute to VL is low T (see: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18599885/ )

Many have reversed their issues with the help of exercises like kegels, and a responsible medical professional or anyone with genuine concern for a patient's well being will recommend attempting the least invasive methods first.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

I guess it all depends on the cause of the venous leak. As a diabetic, pills and injections stopped being effective after five years and exercise had no effect. However, medical grade pumping worked and an implant, as a last resort, would probably work.

This is true. Medical cases need to be examined on their individual merit.

There's not always a simple solution, but the most sound way of proceeding is to test out the least invasive methods first. Be VERY wary of any entity who insists on such a dramatic action as an implant without attempting the less invasive methods first!

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

Exercises, pills, injections, and pumping with (VED), usually in that order, should all be tried first before opting for an implant.

[Maxz Member Find all posts View Profile Close Maxz]

The world is full of documents of different kind of exercises done with patients who have erectile dysfunction. The link above of the Egyptian study of biofeedback does not convince me at all. The only way to know which approach to cure the ED works or not, is to get reports of those men who have gone through the method described. As I said already I have never read a report of a man who has cured venous leak by doing Kegels.

As an example you can also find studies that shockwave (or gainswave) treatment cures ED (and even venous leak) but in real life all men who have tried shockwave will tell you that the treatment is total crap and waste of money.