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  • #16
    Originally posted by wishful10x8 View Post
    I understand that vasodialtors can cause high or low blood pressure, and I know about albuterol, but I Dont know what this clean is. Is it supposed to be a vasodialator?
    By my understanding it IS a vasodialator, but only slightly.
    It's main purpose is increasing your heartrate, increasing your bodytemprature and it makes it easier for you to breathe.
    Vasodialation is a side effect, but not as extreme as drugs that are meant for vasodialation.

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    • #17
      Thanks, I just had never heard of it before. It sucks looking things up on my phone. How dangerous is it?
      ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by wishful10x8 View Post
        Thanks, I just had never heard of it before. It sucks looking things up on my phone. How dangerous is it?
        It's not really that dangerous if you use it normally.
        Everything can be dangerous if you abuse it!
        The thing with clen is, you just shouldn't use it if you already have heart problems because it is quite intense on the hard, never go over 150mcg ever!! even though 150mcg is already ALOT.
        And some people just freak out because of the sides, you can get very jittery, tired and hot.
        This is not harmful but if the sides become TOO bad you should stop.
        Also never use it for more than 2 weeks in a row, after that it won't have effect anymore either way.
        So it can be harmful, but if you use your common sense and you build it up responsibly than there's no danger at all.

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        • #19
          Thanks, I have used albuterol for smoke induced asthma during fire season. What used to be called summer. I just had never heard of clean. I Dont think they would prescribe that for me anyway. I have too many health issues from your description. Well be careful brother.
          ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by wishful10x8 View Post
            Thanks, I have used albuterol for smoke induced asthma during fire season. What used to be called summer. I just had never heard of clean. I Dont think they would prescribe that for me anyway. I have too many health issues from your description. Well be careful brother.
            it's called Clen (Clenbuterol) and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't prescribe it since you can't buy it anywhere.
            It's actually an asthma drug for horses :P

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            • #21
              Damn spell fixer. This is not our first battle.
              ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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              • #22
                post pictures just crop off your head.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jackjohnson View Post
                  post pictures just crop off your head.
                  I'll think about it.
                  And don't think that 2 weeks of clen will make me drop 10% i BF :P

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by WoodyWombPecker View Post
                    A good friend of mine with loads of experience on everything that has anything to do with bodybuilding and health is helping me. You can do it alone, just build it up slow and listen t your body.
                    So did Anthony D’Arezzo, Moustafa Ismail, Gordon Kimbrough, Gregg Valentino, Ruben Azru, Andreas Munzer, Chad Brothers, Bertil Fox, Sally McNeil & Gary Himing.
                    “The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything” Albert Einstein

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by akaTrex View Post
                      So did Anthony D’Arezzo, Moustafa Ismail, Gordon Kimbrough, Gregg Valentino, Ruben Azru, Andreas Munzer, Chad Brothers, Bertil Fox, Sally McNeil & Gary Himing.
                      You can see that most of them used fucked up shit as HGH and probably a ton of other stuff combined and they obviously abused it by the looks of their bodies...
                      One cycle of clen isn't going to kill a person :P

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                      • #26
                        Man just stay natural.

                        There is a reason your body limits your natural muscle growth. It sim,ply can not handle more than that without harming other parts (organs ) of your body. These sideffects will strike when you reach a higher age.

                        If you exceed your natural limit you WILL suffer sideffects sooner or later. You can build such a beautiful body on a natural basis. The only advantage using enhancement drugs is that you will look muscular in a shirt as well, but that is just for your ego. Most women by the way do NOT appreciate that over muscular body, I train on a natural basis and that is almost too much for most women.

                        Stay safe brother do not let your hormone system and body depend on drugs, probably mixed together in dark dirty laboratories. You do NOT know whether it was produced under hygiene circumstances.

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                        • #27
                          Staying natural is too hard, too much work. Take the eay way out and cheat. Personally I really don't care.
                          The world's still a toy if you just stay a boy!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Dude_becomes_a_monster View Post
                            Man just stay natural.

                            There is a reason your body limits your natural muscle growth. It sim,ply can not handle more than that without harming other parts (organs ) of your body. These sideffects will strike when you reach a higher age.

                            If you exceed your natural limit you WILL suffer sideffects sooner or later. You can build such a beautiful body on a natural basis. The only advantage using enhancement drugs is that you will look muscular in a shirt as well, but that is just for your ego. Most women by the way do NOT appreciate that over muscular body, I train on a natural basis and that is almost too much for most women.

                            Stay safe brother do not let your hormone system and body depend on drugs, probably mixed together in dark dirty laboratories. You do NOT know whether it was produced under hygiene circumstances.
                            This does not mess with your homones and its not a steroid.
                            This does not promote muscle growth whatsoever, it's purely a fat burner.
                            And I know the company that I bought it from, and I have from good sources that they provide good and safe gear.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CUSP82 View Post
                              Staying natural is too hard, too much work. Take the eay way out and cheat. Personally I really don't care.
                              Depening on your opinion, clenbuterol still is natural.
                              it's not a steroid, does not mess with your hormones whatsoever.
                              It's only and aid, see it as creatine only for weight loss instead of weight gain/

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                              • #30
                                There is no substitute for Hard Work! PERIOD!

                                IMHO anyone that uses Illegal Substances for Body Building, Fitness or Sports are not only cheaters, and in the long run they are cheating themselves.

                                During my 40 years of weight training I have seen many a guy like you that used Illegal Substances for Muscle Gains, Reduced Body Fat etc. that all in all are Temporary. 3 months, 6 months, a year or more, but as soon as you stop . . . Then what?

                                Just do yourself a favor, when you reach your desired goal don't tell all your workout buddies, friends and people you meet that you are Natural!

                                Otherwise we:

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQey-2LP1E4
                                “The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything” Albert Einstein

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