How to stop “clenching” or involuntarily kegeling

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So u can balance the pelvic floor by relaxing them by doing rks and strengthening them by doing regular kegels.

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So u can balance the pelvic floor by relaxing them by doing rks and strengthening them by doing regular kegels.

balancing the pelvic floor by just doing RK and K would work for a healthy pelvic floor but not in our case where our pelvic floor is already tight. unfortunately, it isn't as easy as that

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So what’s your approach?

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So what’s your approach?

currently doing DCT (but I have already written to you about this a few days ago via PM - so you should know this)

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@CD let go of this, this leads to nothing.

A very wise post! One thing this type of bevavior can lead to is warnings, infractions and banning:

"Mean behavior detrimental to the goals of the PEGym (name-calling, bullying, playing off the insecurities of others, excessive questioning the stats/gains of other members, baiting, intentionally inciting others)"

...I thought that I got venous leak at this time (which of course was just catastrophic thinking as VL is just bullshit)

Unfortunately venous leak is a real phenomenon, but it usually isn't the cause of the issues posted on this forum.

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Good luck with DCT ... let me know your progress

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So has anyone cured their involuntary Kegels (iks) / clenching via doing Hindis and reverse kegels? And did it help with your hard flaccid symptoms?

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So has anyone cured their involuntary Kegels (iks) / clenching via doing Hindis and reverse kegels? And did it help with your hard flaccid symptoms?

I have no idea what a reverse kegel is. When i visited amy steins and the pt had her finger in my ass she asked me to breathe deeply and "drop my pelvic floor" and that was a reverse kegel. I did it with no problem.

Involunarty kegeling / clenching is partly if not completely a result of antetior pelvic tilt. When i started to treat myself and get flood flow back eventually erections came back i would notice that when i had a full hard on and went into the most exaggerated anterior pelvic tilit / lordosis, even tho being super hard, its almost as if your unit is being pulled in and the only connection is the shaft and the pelvic floor


On the flip side
When i squeeze / contract / activate my gluetes and lower abs ( anti lordosis or correct posture if you may) with a hard on the glands / head fill up on there own without that extra kegel or uneeded effort.

The interconnection of every muscle is astronomical. From experience you find it especially true after you overwork your pelvic floor.

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99 what did you do to address your anterior pelvic tilt? My erections have improved by doing Kegels but I am still dealing with hard flaccid and involuntary clenching. It sucks. Is this something you can fix by improving your core and glutes/hamstrings?

Reverse kegels are what you do when you force out urine, that’s a front reverse kegel. Back reverse kegel are the motions you do when ur farting or passing stool. You hold them from anywhere from 10-30 seconds.

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99 what did you do to address your anterior pelvic tilt? My erections have improved by doing Kegels but I am still dealing with hard flaccid and involuntary clenching. It sucks. Is this something you can fix by improving your core and glutes/hamstrings?

Reverse kegels are what you do when you force out urine, that’s a front reverse kegel. Back reverse kegel are the motions you do when ur farting or passing stool. You hold them from anywhere from 10-30 seconds.

I dont know what your story is or how you came about your injury but if it doesnt have anything to do with trigger points i cannot really tell you much. I dont know what hard flaccid it to be honesf. I think its some fat guys excuse for erection problems.

First and foremost i deactivated every trigger point i had startting from the most proximal muscled of the pelvis and going outward.

I have video of fasciulation of muscles that were untrested and had about two years of sensitzation. I used to show to doctors and they just said some bullshit along the lines of you might have low magessium. I never could fix the APT without deactivating stubborn deep and relentless gluteus maximus trigger points.

Once deactivated, the couch stretch is great. If you have a partner the thomas stretch is incomparable. Kneeling warrior pose is another.

Strengthen your abs with supine static isometric ab contraction. Bro theres 10000000000 videos of how to fix APT. Im not getting into that.

i think someone said it like 3 yeara ago that a chair is equivalent to a gluteal death sentece. Avoid sitting at all costs.

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How did u deactivate the trigger points? Externally?

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The interconnection of every muscle is astronomical...

This is quite true- especially in the case of muscle groups like the pelvic floor "basket". These muscles are all woen into each other and relatively difficult to isolate as compared to, say, the biceps.

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How did u deactivate the trigger points? Externally?

What i did was use ischemic compression both externally and internally.

This is the basic idea of applying it


Watch "Trigger Point Release - Ischemic Compression Technique (ICT)" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/vsMaGKsB1QY

Time -02:48

Watch "Treating Trigger Points - Ischemic Compression Technique for Trigger Point Release" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/tF6NNWKA1gQ

Time - 04:21

I never used dry or wet needling. I never used vapocoolant spray. I never used any electroshocker

This is a good video of a gym bro therapist giving a practical explanation of a trigger point

Watch "How to deactivate a Trigger Point." on YouTube
https://youtu.be/KZIoZn9yEjU

Time- 03:00

This is exactly what trigger point deactivation is NOT.

Watch "Trigger Point Massage Part 2" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/JBpz_HqoKoM


This is exactly what trigger point deactivation is.

Watch "Racquetball forehand trigger point release" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/KuZjS0qiEc4

Time - 01:32

Watch "Trigger Point Local Twitch Response Deltoid" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/ZR3mGMf33cs

Time - 00:19

This is scientifically what a trigger point is.

Watch "01_Myofascial Pain Syndrome and Muscle Trigger Points" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/7qPWYkgNND0

Watch th enitre series up to video number 9

Time: 1 hour

This is a good explanation of a trigger point from a massage therapists point of view

Watch "What Is A Trigger Point?" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/7vnphCMYwc8

Time - 06:41

A good first step into deactivating a trigger point is to visit a massage therapist. Always ask for trestment of the outter pelvic muscles. You can get a decent 4 muscles in for your hour visit. Maybe quads and glutes or the little attachments tfl and ql. Once you have a experience and idea of physical contact of the local twitch response self care becomes immensely real.


This is what happens when you dont treat or address trigger points for years, you keep deadlifting squating and doing all sort of exercises to try to stay healthy and active all the mean while adding painful inputs to the already contracted muscle.

Watch "The Mechanisms of Musculoskeletal Pain" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/4LEy8B1D3QE

Time - 02:26

I dont know what the fuck you do in your dsy and spenf time on. Playimg mega man watching porno trading stocks whatever

Take 3 hours out of your day watch these videos and put it all together bro..

I dont think there is really anything to be skepitcal of or questions to be asked in regard to trigger points.

This is the best scientific document about trigger points and the leading doctor on myofascial trigger points from everything i read. Jay P Shah MD.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19083696/

Here are a few doctors from other countries outside of America who address or recognize myofascial trigger points in thr pelvis and not somr anonymous dude on an internet forum.

Watch "Myofascial pain syndrome in the pelvic floor. Dr Itza" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/qwTz013iDHE

Time - 11:14

Watch "Leon Chaitow ND DO- Chronic Pelvic Pain" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/0MQrgyOS-v0

Time - 51:51

How did u deactivate the trigger points? Externally?

What i did was use ischemic compression both externally and internally


Watch "Trigger Point Release - Ischemic Compression Technique (ICT)" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/vsMaGKsB1QY

Time -02:48

Watch "Treating Trigger Points - Ischemic Compression Technique for Trigger Point Release" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/tF6NNWKA1gQ

Time - 04:21

I never used dry or wet needling. I never used vapocoolant spray. I never used any electroshocker

This is a good video of a gym bro therapist practical explanation of a trigger point


This is exactly what trigger point deactivation is NOT.

Watch "Trigger Point Massage Part 2" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/JBpz_HqoKoM


This is exactly what trigger point deactivation is.

Watch "Racquetball forehand trigger point release" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/KuZjS0qiEc4

Time - 01:32

Watch "Trigger Point Local Twitch Response Deltoid" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/ZR3mGMf33cs

Time - 00:19

This is scientifically what a trigger point is.

Watch "01_Myofascial Pain Syndrome and Muscle Trigger Points" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/7qPWYkgNND0

Watch th enitre series up to video number 9

Time: 1 hour

This is a good explanation of a trigger point from a massage therapists point of view

Watch "What Is A Trigger Point?" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/7vnphCMYwc8

Time - 06:41

A good first step into deactivating a trigger point is to visit a massage therapist. Always ask for trestment of the outter pelvic muscles. You can get a decent 4 muscles in for your hour visit. Maybe quads and glutes or the little attachments such as the tensor fascia latae and or the quadratus lumborum. Once you have a experience of the local twitch response from physical contact, self care becomes immensely tedious, real and fruitful 1


This is what happens when you dont treat or address trigger points for years, you keep deadlifting squating and doing all sort of exercises to try to stay healthy and active all the mean while adding painful inputs to the already contracted muscle.

Watch "The Mechanisms of Musculoskeletal Pain" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/4LEy8B1D3QE

Time - 02:26

I dont know what the fuck you do in your day and spend time on. Playing nintendo mega man, watching porno, trading stocks whatever.

Take 3 hours out of your day watch these videos and put it all together bro.

This is the best scientific document about trigger points and the leading doctor on myofascial trigger points from everything i read. Jay P Shah MD.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19083696/

Here are a few doctors from other countries outside of America who address or recognize myofascial trigger points in the pelvis and not some anonymous dude on an internet forum janbering about it.

Watch "Myofascial pain syndrome in the pelvic floor. Dr Itza" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/qwTz013iDHE

Time - 11:14

Watch "Leon Chaitow ND DO- Chronic Pelvic Pain" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/0MQrgyOS-v0

Time - 51:51

The reason trigger points arent addressed with any real diligence by the medical world is that there is no easy cookie cutter way to make money from it. They mske money by treating your symtpoms not by curing/ fixing you.


I dont think you can go wrong following these little bits of video proof and small scientific explanations.

Find out what works for you and get to it.


You can buy one of three books for guides to trigger points, muscle anatomy, exercises etc... i think theyre about 100 dollars each hardcover.

Clair Davies
Travell and simons
Simeon Niel Asher


The pelvic floor is like a basket but thats only half of it. The remainder of the pelvic musculatute extendeds to roughly the sternum. Its one whole unit or system for a lack of better words.

The pelvic musculature is like an egg.

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99%, I believe not sitting is great for me too. You said it was gluteul death. This disease breeds paranoia because half of life is sitting down, like when someone says "take a seat" to be polite.

My question is when do you sit? Years of standing have ruined my psyche. I am traumatized to touch a chair. My doctor told me trying to heal is not sociopathic, he said it's the exact opposite, it's the right thing to do.

Now I am dwindling down to my final days (hopefully) of hf but I still have my nuances: scared to sit (I'm on disability right now) and delicate with showering and hygeine. I also don't like lifting heavy stuff. So this kennel has bred a lot of paranoia. But when does the pain stop so you can have no restrictions?

I'm not expecting a answer but old habits die hard. Like going to the bathroom number 2 I still use a "tabo" (Filipino ass washing bucket) instead of painfully wiping.

I'm beginning work with a cbt therapist at a local Catholic organization. And my schedule is getting lighter. But I believe you also have to listen to your body, the worst thing to the ego is a blow of relapse.

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Erm, honest question guys : why it is so wrong to kegel / clench when having sex or masturbating ? I do it involuntarely so I don't know why it would not be natural to hold your cum for more action ?