The Sperm. The Man. The Life.

[Sequoia Tree Senior Member Member of the Month July 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Sequoia Tree]

Also, lets say the last man and woman on earth are both gay. That doesn't mean they can't have sex in order to keep the human race going.

And that would prove that homosexuality is more of a choice than a condition.

Um, there's kind of a big difference between a man and woman being heterosexual, and a gay man and woman choosing to have sex in order to prevent the entire species from becoming extinct, despite their lack of attraction for each other.

[SunGiver Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SunGiver]

Enjoy the parasites that nest in your intestines, the insects that lay eggs in your skin, the animals that will predate you, not to mention the actual hunting and foraging involved. You ever been hunting? It's hard. Go live naturally and tell us about it.

Yea your opinions are yours. They're wrong and outdated, but you're entitled to believe whatever you'd like. Enjoy yourself out there!

You wrongly assume i dont live naturally. I do live naturally, and i do tell u about it. I do enjoy myself. Its not hard. Its not easy.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Computers are not natural!

[SunGiver Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SunGiver]

no it doesn't, but I admire you on your continued self-restraint around other men! Being straight is just about willpower.

It would prove it... homosexuality would be a choice. According to the example he gave.

If u had a condition, where u couldnt walk, then whether the world was on the line or not, you would not be able to get up and walk.

If you were to actually get up and walk it would prove that you were "choosing" to not walk...the same way if two homosexuals decided to have sex to save the world it would prove that they were "choosing" to be homosexual.

Naturally men and women belong together...

[SunGiver Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SunGiver]

Computers are not natural!

I only deal with phones to spread info. And communicate with family and friends.

[Sequoia Tree Senior Member Member of the Month July 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Sequoia Tree]

It would prove it... homosexuality would be a choice. According to the example he gave.

If u had a condition, where u couldnt walk, then whether the world was on the line or not, you would not be able to get up and walk.

If you were to actually get up and walk it would prove that you were "choosing" to not walk...the same way if two homosexuals decided to have sex to save the world it would prove that they were "choosing" to be homosexual.

How are you not getting this? You're comparing apples and oranges here. If a man is incapable of walking, he can't walk period. If a man is gay, he still has the capability to reproduce.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

It is not natural. Try smoke signals or carrier pigeon.

[SunGiver Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SunGiver]

How are you not getting this? You're comparing apples and oranges here. If a man is incapable of walking, he can't walk period. If a man is gay, he still has the capability to reproduce.

Yes, i get it... But someone said being homosexual is a condition, that its not not a choice. Im saying it IS a choice. That naturally men arent born to reproduce with other men. And women arent born to reproduce with other women. In order for humans to continue to live males need to be with females. To be homosexual is to end the process of life. Thus unnatural. Simple...in my eyes.

Now Bisexual is another whole thing.

[SunGiver Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SunGiver]

It is not natural. Try smoke signals or carrier pigeon.

Will think about it. Thank u for your thoughts.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

I'm not picking on you but when I have more time I will explain the point I was trying to make.

[Toadstool Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Toadstool]

To be homosexual is to end the process of life. Thus unnatural.

End the process of life?

That's... a very... subjective thing.

What does that even mean?

[SunGiver Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SunGiver]

End the process of life?

That's... a very... subjective thing.

...a homosexual couple cant create life. Their lineage would end. Their life line, in other words.

[Qandisa Senior Member Member of the Month March 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Qandisa]

Yes, i get it... But someone said being homosexual is a condition, that its not not a choice. Im saying it IS a choice. That naturally men arent born to reproduce with other men. And women arent born to reproduce with other women. In order for humans to continue to live males need to be with females. To be homosexual is to end the process of life. Thus unnatural. Simple...in my eyes.

Now Bisexual is another whole thing.

Listen child, do not go putting words into other people's mouths. YOU said homosexuality is a condition. I specifically said that it is NOT a condition. It's not medical/physical disablity. It's not something that's wrong with them. And it's not a choice. It's their natural state of being.

You didn't address the fact that homosexual behaviour exists in many other animal species. Are you suggesting that homosexuality in animals is their choice as well? Do they have the same kind of higher though processes and free will that humans do?

The problem with not complicating things is that life IS complicated. It is enormously, beautifully, intricate and complex. You can only simplify it by ignoring elements of it. And when you choose to ignore things, then you become ignorant.

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

Computers are not natural!

Spending all day arguing in an online forum is not natural.

[closed260 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close closed260]

"Natural" has no more moral or ethical weight than "Up" and "Down". It's a way too common mistake to assume it means anything more than "has arisen without human hands getting involved."

Sungiver, read "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by J. Diamond.

I think if you over-simplify a theory such that it can no longer explain the evidence... you have just deluded yourself into bunk-ville.

Fun note: on average, when two bonobos meet... they are more likely to have sex than to fight. "Hey everybody, I've got some nice bonobo dick here! Who wants to suck it? Hey, you there. You got lips. I'm just saying."