The european thread

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Leave won the referendum. But if just 2% of Leavers had voted to Remain, Remain would have won. Vote Leave overspent by at least 10%.*


EU citizens who'd been living in the UK for decades, paying their taxes and engaging in our society - didn't get a vote. UK citizens living in the EU for over 15 years didn't get a vote. These people will be some of the most greatly affected citizens. Any argument that EU citizens don't deserve a vote was always invalid. If they pay their taxes here, they deserve a vote. We should have no taxation without representation.


The EU is not on it's way to becoming a United States of Europe. And we always had a veto over the European Army and Turkey's accession.


We always had control over our borders with the EU 3 month rule. Except no British government could be bothered to implement it. Why? Because our politicians KNOW we need migrant labour, skilled and unskilled in order to function as a country. It was always a popular vote-winner to claim they'd be tough on immigration, but in truth nobody tackled it, because despite how people felt about mass immigration. Mass immigration has had a net benefit on the British economy.


Brexit was about keeping tax havens open and invisible for the British Elite.


It doesn't have to be this way. Revoke Article 50. Start advertising the truth about the benefits of EU membership. Clamp down on our corrupt Tabloid press and hold them to account over the lies they print. If they print a lie, they have to print a revocation of at least equal size AND prominence.


Freedom of the Press should mean freedom to express an opinion. That does NOT include the freedom to print lies for the sake of greed and corruption.


The UK is in crisis. Brexit has failed. It's time to look long and hard at the real problems this country faces and the true cause of the 2016 referendum result.

An unjust media; now where have I heard that before? Hmmmm!

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An unjust media; now where have I heard that before? Hmmmm!

Would you like me to upload images of front page newspapers which have since been proven untrue?

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Would you like me to upload images of front page newspapers which have since been proven untrue?

I could do the same with papers over here. Russia!

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^^^^ just some well know facts out there ^^^^^

But Remainers did get that 2% so you lost, its funny how Remainers cant handle the fact they lost, but if there is another vote and you win ( heaven forbid ), then it would be a draw and would need to go to a third vote, but and here is the but you could loss by an even bigger %, then what and why, there is lots of talk about Remainer voters who are now so pissed off with May and our MP's they would all vote to leave.

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No one cant handle the fact they lost.... we have elections whereupon you dont get your choice...

I think you missed my points Nowhard

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we have elections whereupon you dont get your choice...

Then it would not be a vote then as you must have two sides to vote on, so who's missing the point now then.

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Just read this.
Ex-UKIP leader Nigel Farage has launched his new Brexit Party, saying he wants a "democratic revolution" in UK politics.

Could be just what the people of the UK needs and he knows it after what has been happening over the last few weeks, May and our MP's have shown that non of them know what they want to do and they run the UK.

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My point is people voted 3 years ago when they didnt know exactly what they were voting for/lied too.

Regarding ukip and Brexit parties... its a sorry state after this country fought in 2 world wars against the far right to see them gaining popularity.

But hey ho once Brexit is done and we dont have the EU to protect us, they can scrap human rights....

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Tara I think your find that may said they would stick the EU laws already in place, and sorry to say that would be one of them, so lots of HR lawyers will be or have done lots of yippee's and running round clicking there heels, so well done May she is really a turn coat to the UK.

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The biggest lie brexiters were told was quite frankly that they would commence proper and strong negotiations for the deal. This absolutely didn't happen, Mrs. May was a ridiculous choice. But that was evident from the manifesto the party put out for her reelection. And it is really obvious these days, what with her essentially trying to bind the UK into a serf state to the EU.

Why would the UK need the protection of the EU? I mean sure, you don't have free speech 'nor any rights when it comes to the judicial system. But you don't have that inside the EU either, neither of the two major political parties of the UK are in a particularly good place at the moment. Things just get bonkers when the leaders of said parties are a goofy clown lady and an anti-semitic socialist.

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The biggest lie brexiters were told was quite frankly that they would commence proper and strong negotiations for the deal. This absolutely didn't happen, Mrs. May was a ridiculous choice. But that was evident from the manifesto the party put out for her reelection. And it is really obvious these days, what with her essentially trying to bind the UK into a serf state to the EU.

Why would the UK need the protection of the EU? I mean sure, you don't have free speech 'nor any rights when it comes to the judicial system. But you don't have that inside the EU either, neither of the two major political parties of the UK are in a particularly good place at the moment. Things just get bonkers when the leaders of said parties are a goofy clown lady and an anti-semitic socialist.

May was all wrong as she was a Remainer, even if she remained PM it should have been a Brexiteer who dealt with the EU, then they would never have treated then like shit like May was, as she ended up being an EU puppet and stile is.

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May was all wrong as she was a Remainer, even if she remained PM it should have been a Brexiteer who dealt with the EU, then they would never have treated then like shit like May was, as she ended up being an EU puppet and stile is.

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Yeah, the big issue coming from how the media seem more interested in condemning the whole concept. Rather than place the blame where it belongs. But that's just part and parcel when it comes to "journalists" these days.

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May is gone, but what else is new. Nobody will step up, and even that decision are apparently to hard for the parliament

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I wsih the best for the UK but it is not looking good.

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Seems like Boris is winning. Does that mean we can expect a hard brexit soon?
I still buy stuff from uk, and with all the delays, i sort of dropped the urgency of getting everything home before there was customs on it all.
But now i expect i should plan again?