Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

A americans third of a million deaths and counting and still in denial .

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

People are still viewing this as though the goal should be no cases of Covid. And that there is no price too high to pay in achieving that goal. WTF

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

A americans third of a million deaths and counting and still in denial .

They have been caught red handed labeling people with covid by administering a test that cannot specifically identify covid-19

For hospitals thT don't have enough tests, they are aloud to diagnose covid by symptoms.

Anything that disputes covid is pulled from the web. The truth fears no investigation.

Covid is real, the statistics and lethality is a lie

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It doesn't even have to directly or explicitly dispute Covid to be removed. The WHO just removed reference to naturally acquired immunity. Going against everything that we've learned and have known for decades, this week they changed their explanation of herd immunity, describing it as something that's achieved by vaccination, removing prior references to previous infection.

[Fizzby2233 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fizzby2233]

A americans third of a million deaths and counting and still in denial .

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately much, not all, being argued here is outside the realm of fact or reason. We can have difference of opinion we can't have facts and alternative facts. Sorry Kelly Ann. And truth is truth sorry Rudy. By April we will be at over a half a million dead and you will still hear it is a hoax.

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Well New zealand has no cases of covid and Aussie very few . Like I said it will be interesting to see how they go relative to US.
Unfortunately Aussie isin a trade war with China who we are very reliant on so that will upset our recovery.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

I am sure there are some cases of improper diagnoses; however, as a group, medical professionals are not inclined to Be dishonest.

I agree Covid is real, but statistics and morbidity are only slightly misrepresented. You are going to have a problem convincing my sister-in-law that the 25 fellow residents in her assisted living facility who died of Covid in March and April this year were misdiagnosed when normally only three or four die during a year in the facility.

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It doesn't even have to directly or explicitly dispute Covid to be removed. The WHO just removed reference to naturally acquired immunity. Going against everything that we've learned and have known for decades, this week they changed their explanation of herd immunity, describing it as something that's achieved by vaccination, removing prior references to previous infection.

See, this will all contribute to a mandate, whether it best imposed legislatively or via loophole (occupations, universities, schools, etc. will require vaccination.)

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

Well New zealand has no cases of covid and Aussie very few . Like I said it will be interesting to see how they go relative to US.
Unfortunately Aussie isin a trade war with China who we are very reliant on so that will upset our recovery.

New Zealand did well but Taiwan did even better - best of any, perhaps - and had no lockdowns, going pretty much completely against the popular narrative to "stop the spread".

WRT New Zealand, here's a study with data showing that it wasn't lockdowns responsible for reducing deaths and that the cost of lockdowns far outweighed any benefits: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=rnzp20

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately much, not all, being argued here is outside the realm of fact or reason. We can have difference of opinion we can't have facts and alternative facts. Sorry Kelly Ann. And truth is truth sorry Rudy. By April we will be at over a half a million dead and you will still hear it is a hoax.

Yet you haven't provided any facts to support your assertion that 75% need to be vaccinated or the pandemic will continue.

[Fizzby2233 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fizzby2233]

I was just sharing information that is readily available. I assume to are an adult and does not have to be spoon fed. Consult medical journals and epidemiological studies. Consult publications by CDC and public health departments. It isn't my job to convince people the world isn't flat. The information is out there no one handed it to me I looked and did my own research. I encourage you to do the same as I doubt you would accept without contradiction anything I wrote.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

Yet you haven't provided any facts to support your assertion that 75% need to be vaccinated or the pandemic will continue.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious diseases expert, said that herd immunity in the U.S. could be reached if up to 90 percent of Americans receive a COVID-19 vaccine.
Speaking to The New York Times on Thursday, Fauci, who is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said, "We really don't know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But I'm not going to say 90 percent."

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New Zealand did well but Taiwan did even better - best of any, perhaps - and had no lockdowns, going pretty much completely against the popular narrative to "stop the spread".

WRT New Zealand, here's a study with data showing that it wasn't lockdowns responsible for reducing deaths and that the cost of lockdowns far outweighed any benefits: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=rnzp20

New Zealand did the best of any western country. Re cost/benifit of lockdown that is for the people of New Zealand to decide . They just reelected the party/pm that did it with an increased majority .
Aussie is similar . Compare that to US there is no doubt the deaths are vastly less the economic cost hmm we shall see.
Economic cost as I said earlier it will be determined over time and a comparison with US will be interesting

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Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious diseases expert, said that herd immunity in the U.S. could be reached if up to 90 percent of Americans receive a COVID-19 vaccine.
Speaking to The New York Times on Thursday, Fauci, who is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said, "We really don't know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But I'm not going to say 90 percent."

Vaccination isn't the sole means of achieving herd immunity. Additionally, he still hasn't presented anything to support the assertion that "the pandemic will continue". It's not even a pandemic any longer. It's an epidemic that will follow the course of all epidemics before it. If someone has some data to show that a pandemic will continue unless 75% of the population is vaccinated, I want to see it. If it's so readily available, just provide the source for me, please. Look at my past posts and you'll see that I provide source info frequently - I don't say to go find it for yourself - and don't think I'm spoon feeding anyone when I do. I'm trying to be helpful and share information. Plus, I don't just say things because they sound good or feel good - I say things with information to back it and am happy to share the source, even when not challenged to do so.

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New Zealand did the best of any western country. Re cost/benifit of lockdown that is for the people of New Zealand to decide . They just reelected the party/pm that did it with an increased majority .
Aussie is similar . Compare that to US there is no doubt the deaths are vastly less the economic cost hmm we shall see.
Economic cost as I said earlier it will be determined over time and a comparison with US will be interesting

I get what you're saying - I do. I'm pointing out that there are others who faired much better and without the lockdowns (and consequences of them), etc... And the studies and data are now showing that the lockdowns weren't the cause of anyone doing any better.

Yes, people can decide how they feel about the cost/benefit. But there are ways to measure the effects and assign costs to them and it's becoming apparent that the costs were too high and didn't outweigh the benefits. By those measures, of course. We have to learn from this and we have to make informed decisions going forward. If the destruction of people's lives and businesses, unintended deaths, etc... as a result of lockdowns is as high as it appears to be in these studies, we have to be willing to say that it's less costly if X number of people die in a pandemic.