Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

According to the CDC, there were an estimated flu related deaths during the 2017 - 2018 flu season of 46,000 to 95,000. The estimated deaths due to Covid-19 (perhaps including some flu deaths) is over 500,000 through mid February. I wouldn’t consider that a scare tool!

[Fizzby2233 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fizzby2233]

If you would read the research I've been providing, you would see that there is zero correlation between lockdown timing and case counts or deaths. I'm not sure why you would choose make that argument against the evidence except that you have chosen to ignore and/or dismiss the evidence because it contradicts what you want to believe. Again... cognitive dissonance.

Fizz - Can you use another analogy instead of seat belts? If I want to put my own life in danger, that's on me. The US government wasn't constructed with the purpose of protecting me from myself. I was ok with stoplights - they have proven to be effective in preventing me from killing someone else. But efficacy is at the heart of that and it has to be. We have to be able to weight the cost against the benefit to make these kinds of decisions but the efficacy of masks is very much in question. You, personally choose to not question it, but the scientific community at large (not just the ones you defer to) says otherwise.

I think the analogy works. If you are a threat to yourself or others you can be Baker Acted. Society still frowns on self harm. Wishing you the best. Stay safe and health. The number of cases and death continue to mount not to scare anyone but continue mask wearing and practicing social distancing all the things we know work. Cheers

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

I think the analogy works. If you are a threat to yourself or others you can be Baker Acted. Society still frowns on self harm.

Society can frown on whatever they like. That doesn't make it the job of the government to prevent it from happening. Thousands of people die every year from drowning - perhaps we should outlaw swimming without scuba gear. You're ok with being told what to do with your life by the government. Most of us - and the folks who wrote The Constitution - are not.

The number of cases and death continue to mount not to scare anyone but continue mask wearing and practicing social distancing all the things we know work. Cheers

How do you know they work? People who claim to follow the science would be aware that masks have now been proven to be virtually ineffective at preventing the spread of the virus. Just sayin...

[Fizzby2233 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fizzby2233]

Society can frown on whatever they like. That doesn't make it the job of the government to prevent it from happening. Thousands of people die every year from drowning - perhaps we should outlaw swimming without scuba gear. You're ok with being told what to do with your life by the government. Most of us - and the folks who wrote The Constitution - are not. How do you know they work? People who claim to follow the science would be aware that masks have now been proven to be virtually ineffective at preventing the spread of the virus. Just sayin...

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[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

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[ProjectMagnum Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ProjectMagnum]

Covid is a tool used to scare the masses, the numbers are bullshit but the sheep keep grazing

100%. When you turn off the television and stay logged out of social media and experience reality, the fear is longer there and reasoning and logic are restored. This goes beyond COVID.

[neuromaster Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close neuromaster]

Thanks for bringing this up. Yes I am concerned, a lot of people are quietly concerned. Im not trying to be conspiratorial or political but the truth is that the government has forced us into lockdown while at the same time not allowing us access to medicine that nearly cures Covid, such as ivermectin. If you've never heard of it, its a malaria drug that's been around since the 70's and there have been plenty of recent studies showing its efficacy in treating covid and reducing hospital time in patients. It can even be used prophylactically. They're censoring information about this drug, while at the same time strongly encouraging the use of an RNA vaccine which is more properly defined as gene therapy. I don't know why they are doing this but I know its not in our best interest. And yes, testosterone reduction is worth considering, as well as impotence.
It should be noted that the vaccine only works for about four months, and may not stop you from getting Covid asymptomatically and transmitting it. As someone not at risk, I see no reason why I should get the vaccine. Give it to the people who want it to keep them safe. There's no clinical evidence to show that getting a vaccine for a disease that you aren't at risk for is a good idea.

[ProjectMagnum Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ProjectMagnum]

I don't trust the vaccines for COVID and with the shadiness that surrounds the different companies that created them, I am now skeptical about vaccines for other things like the flu shot now. Just like everything surrounding COVID, none of the stories seem to add up. From politicians telling us all of the rules that are in place to combat this novelty, only to see them breaking those same rules minutes after echoing them, to the CDC/WHO changing up their stories play-by-play. If Politicians need to "ease" everybody's concerns by going live to inject a needle in their arm to try and prove something, it only makes it more questionable. I think critical thinking is the most important skill people can arm themselves with.

There is a routine from George Carlin on germs that I think pretty much sums it all up. By using hand sanitizer and washing our hands every couple of hours, we are ridding ourselves of the germs necessary that our immune systems rely on to build up our defenses against viruses. That and Vitamins and minerals.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

You guys don't think that since this opportunity arose our government is using it as a test case to see how quickly we can make something to ward off a biological attack from someone do you?

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

It’s primary focus is to end a pandemic. However, if they can gain a little knowledge regarding fighting off a future biological attack, so be it. Unfortunately, the government already has a problem walking and chewing gum at the same time.

[ProjectMagnum Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ProjectMagnum]

I think our government had more interest in politicizing it more than anything. Coincidentally, WHO came out a couple days ago, I think it was the day of the inauguration or the day after, and admitted that their testing of COVID produced a ridiculous number of false positives. But this was common knowledge to a lot of people as there were tests being done on things like a glass of Coca-Cola and fruits that came out positive. During much of the pandemic, NY had some of the worst statistics and their economy tanked hardcore with all the restrictions. After the inauguration, Cuomo came out and said they need to all get back to work and open up the economy again. But the cases are still at an all time high.

I don't put enough trust in the government to be able to say that they have our best interests in mind.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Well some time has gone by so are we still all bet out of shape over covid? Do we all still think we're gonna die tomorrow because of this little bug or are we coming to our senses or just getting sick of the whole thing?

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

What is covid?

I only get bent out of shape when she's playing with it.

[Whatduh69 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Whatduh69]

I'll take the vaccine. Whats the worst that can happen. My dick double in size or I turn into a zombie,lol

[arlos Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close arlos]

Living outside the U.S. during this had been interesting. I just hope some biosecurity lessons are learned. I pray we are seeing the light of sanity and things start normalizing soon around the world.