Generational testosterone drop

[Party Senior Member Member of the Month August 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Party]

All I know is that I finally got my TRT gel script filled. Applied it 4 hours ago and feel a lot better.

[18x13goalreached Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 18x13goalreached]

Endocrine disruptors man, they are in EVERYTHING.
Plastic bottles, preservatives. They are trying to lower our aggression and energy levels so we don't rebel against all the bullshit they have done to change our society. They have all the men looking like morons in like 90% of tv commercials and movies for the love of God.
I swear TRT will be outlawed in the next 20 years from now.
It's petty bull shit nonsense because test levels vary between people. Who are they to set such a threshold without taking that into consideration.

The funniest part is iv'e had mine up to 100+ and i showed no behavior changes..

The only thing that came from it were positives.

I agree with you who gets to decide how much of a man is a man

All I know is that I finally got my TRT gel script filled. Applied it 4 hours ago and feel a lot better.

jealous :P

[18x13goalreached Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 18x13goalreached]

Here is a a thread includes studies showing natural test increase beyond the levels you claim . Also the numbers from various members showing increase beyond what you claim yada yada .
Any amount more proof of any kind you want all over the net if you had actually looked .

I post this for other members since you and your friends are entrenched in drug culture .

Bro if your a starting as a potato and then make some positive changes of course its going to lift a little bit.

If your already healthy and have good habits there is nothing you can do to lift it.

I don't think your fully acknowledge just how much you need to lift it to see physical and mental symptoms dissipate.

You can keep slinging around "druggy" all you like but its really not helping accelerate this conversation..

If your level is 7-12 nmol ( still considered healthy by doctors) and even if you increase it by 50%.. which you wont.. that's still only 11.5-18 nmol you wouldn't even notice the change..

And most guys who are asking for help are going to fall into the range of 7-12 nmol..

Its not all about the anobolics when it comes to this some people need the androgen boost...

In-fact most people who fall into those numbers are craving the androgen increase and couldn't care less about the muscle building element.

This might help clear your confusion around this topic

Androgen









Description

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An androgen is any natural or synthetic steroid hormone that regulates the development and maintenance of male characteristics in vertebrates by binding to androgen receptors.



This is usually what trt recipients crave and not the "muscle drugs" as you refer too

So they would be requesting a injection jell or tablet that helps lift their androgen levels.

The drugs you are referring to are anobolic steroids which promote muscle gains and fat loss.

Just so you understand the difference..

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Actually that is plain wrong .

Many guys do increase their test 50% plus useing natural methods and yes that does have a significant effect on quality of life . Then you would know that if you had read the thread fully.
Like many of the subjects I lived an active healthy non drug lifestyle not a "potato ".
Then you should know that if you read the thread.

You keep going on as though lifting is the only way to increase test . The thread I gave clearly , repeatedly and with studies and personal experiences makes it crystal clear it is not .

Go read the thread and learn .

[18x13goalreached Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 18x13goalreached]

Many guys do increase their test 50% plus useing natural methods and yes that does have a significant effect on quality of life .

It still doesn't change the fact 50% inst much though?

TRT will provide about 400-500% increase.

For example my test went from 6.7 nmol to 29 nmol with medical trt.

I can also post screen shots if you don't believe me.

I never said it wasn't possible to do it naturally.. however its far less effective surely even you can agree with that.

I'm simply stating there are many methods... "the drugs" one that actually works on 99% of people.

Not 3 or 4 guys who said it worked without on the internet..

This is a common debate on fitness forums and the studies and evidence go far more in depth than a couple of guys changing their diets..

Also i read the thread from start to finish and followed the links...

There are for more informative threads on fitness forums i would post the links but i highly doubt you will read them.. like i did yours..

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It still doesn't change the fact 50% inst much though?

TRT will provide about 400-500% increase.

For example my test went from 6.7 nmol to 29 nmol with medical trt.

I can also post screen shots if you don't believe me.

I never said it wasn't possible to do it naturally.. however its far less effective surely even you can agree with that.

I'm simply stating there are many methods... "the drugs" one that actually works on 99% of people.

Not 3 or 4 guys who said it worked without on the internet..

This is a common debate on fitness forums and the studies and evidence go far more in depth than a couple of guys changing their diets..

Also i read the thread from start to finish and followed the links...

There are for more informative threads on fitness forums i would post the links but i highly doubt you will read them.. like i did yours..

If you had read the thread you would see there are large number of guys natural methods worked for and any number more if you want to look .

So natural methods can reach or exceed the levels normally aimed for in TRT . I dare say especially if you live in the US you can find a clinic that will go higher or just get drugs on the black market . But then that is drug culture territory.

Your assertion that 50% isn't much and you want 400 -500% increase indicates how deep into drug culture you are .

[18x13goalreached Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 18x13goalreached]

no its just iv'e seen the effect of a 400% increase and understand even that wont fix certain issues.

Also every single case in your thread is not backed by screen shots of blood tests?

I have a hard time believing anything unless its backed by photo evidence this isn't just for t levels.. its also for pe related things and any claims someone is making.

There are fitness forums where people provide real evidence, i find these far more authentic than internet hear say.

It's just their word on the internet...

And i mean that's really not worth much to me.

And for the last time testosterone is a medicine not a drug.

Bro you drink wine.. alcohol is a drug.. i could say your into drug culture as the wine isn't prescribed by a doctor.. (but i'm not petty like that)

It's really not helping people who are looking for genuine medical help... calling a prescribed medicine a drug.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

no its just iv'e seen the effect of a 400% increase and understand even that wont fix certain issues.

Also every single case in your thread is not backed by screen shots of blood tests?

I have a hard time believing anything unless its backed by photo evidence this isn't just for t levels.. its also for pe related things and any claims someone is making.

There are fitness forums where people provide real evidence, i find these far more authentic than internet hear say.

It's just their word on the internet...

And i mean that's really not worth much to me.

And for the last time testosterone is a medicine not a drug.

Bro you drink wine.. alcohol is a drug.. i could say your into drug culture as the wine isn't prescribed by a doctor.. (but i'm not petty like that)

It's really not helping people who are looking for genuine medical help... calling a prescribed medicine a drug.

Yeah just a personal thing I give more weight to properly conducted science studies . The guys onsite thats just iceing . Of course plenty more if you look .

Now as to the places I give least to that would be bodybuilder forums which get a negative rating . I do believe that is what you are talking about . My basic thought is bodybuilding is so affected by drug culture that anything coming from it is of no use to me .

Now test is a drug look it up . Now drugs can be medicine if used under proper non gamed medical supervision .

I have said repeatedly I am not against proper medical use just not convinced that is what you are about.

[18x13goalreached Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 18x13goalreached]

i only advocate for trt.. not recreational anobolic use..

I don't care if people do use it for recreational reasons... but these forums prevent that kind of discussion..

So in context.. on this forum i'm strictly speaking of medicinal trt.

They are general fitness forums and not specifically for body building.. it's quiet a can of worms on multiple forums.

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i only advocate for trt.. not recreational anobolic use..

I don't care if people do use it for recreational reasons... but these forums prevent that kind of discussion..

I'd like to add that many people don't realize that if you go TRT, you're on it for life unless you want to sink even deeper into deficiency. Not only is it very hard to get your normal production going once you've been on TRT for a long while, it'll also give you the impression that lifestyle and dietary factors are secondary issues. My opinion is that testosterone replacement under the age of 50 is like potency pills for 18 year olds.

There are so many things to adress when dealing with testosterone issues. And in many cases, you'll see an increase from simple things such as supplemental zink or magnesium. TRT is great, but you wouldn't keep feeding someone Ibuprofen without bothering to check what's actually up.

[Thick_Unit Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Thick_Unit]

or "weight loss'

legit i bodybuild and there are no studies that suggest you can significantly lift it more than 10-15% naturally.

For someone that sits as low as i do at 7 i might get it to 7.7 or 7.9 woopty doo...

58% higher from 225ng/dL(7.8nmol/L) to 356ng/dL (12.34nmol/L)
that was just from diet change and exercising it's probably higher by now in the 400~450 (13.86~15.60nmol/L) range by now...


i'm sure it will settle in the 700ng/dL range



I have gained a quite a bit of upper body mass as well
before I could barely do 1 push up now i can do 10 to 11 of them

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58% higher from 225ng/dL(7.8nmol/L) to 356ng/dL (12.34nmol/L)
that was just from diet change and exercising it's probably higher by now in the 400~450 (13.86~15.60nmol/L) range by now...


i'm sure it will settle in the 700ng/dL range



I have gained a quite a bit of upper body mass as well
before I could barely do 1 push up now i can do 10 to 11 of them

Power to you . While I am sure our bodybuilder friend is unimpressed, you have made significant improvement in both test level and quality of life . I hope for your continued improvement there is usually quality of life improvement when you get over 500 .

[18x13goalreached Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 18x13goalreached]

13 nmol is great but if you are suffering from penile related issues rarely its enough to make a difference in that way.

Also if you find weight loss difficult you are still going to find it difficult..

I am impressed to be honest that's a massive amount.

Screen shot with said test numbers would be far more impressive however.

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13 nmol is great but if you are suffering from penile related issues rarely its enough to make a difference in that way.

Also if you find weight loss difficult you are still going to find it difficult..

I am impressed to be honest that's a massive amount.

Screen shot with said test numbers would be far more impressive however.

Again with the knocking .

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I don't think we should label asking for evidence as knocking?

A claim is being made that a lot of people could benefit from its only reasonable to be skeptical until its proven.

This thread is bigger than just this pe forum

If a guy can lift his test 60% it's valuable to many people.

Recording in detail the process would be great.. if its true.

If he posts screens and a process i will mimic everything he does for 6 months and let you know if it works for me.

Also if he knows its lifted by the exact number it means the paper work is on hand?