The Rise of the Superficial "Size Queen"

[Thenewguy2 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Thenewguy2]

But DD...I AM a woman and I have never cared about penis size nor have the many women I have spoken to and interviewed...we need to be careful about making generalizations as that is just what they are...generalizations.

Young women does care.

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

^ This... I don't believe.

Fair enough Thenewguy2...so let me ask you something. If you met a women that was beautiful, smart, witty, had a great personality but had really small boobs. Would you refuse to date her because the size of her breasts?

Now, if you are simply looking to have a sexual "hook-up"...well of course, a person's sex organs are going to have relevance because that is all each of you is focused on.

But when women say "penis size doesn't matter" it is in reference to choosing a long-term mate - the size of his penis is never at the top of the list; there are so many factors that are much more important. Why do men have such a hard time believing this?

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Fair enough Thenewguy2...so let me ask you something. If you met a women that was beautiful, smart, witty, had a great personality but had really small boobs. Would you refuse to date her because the size of her breasts?

Now, if you are simply looking to have a sexual "hook-up"...well of course, a person's sex organs are going to have relevance because that is all each of you is focused on.

But when women say "penis size doesn't matter" it is in reference to choosing a long-term mate - the size of his penis is never at the top of the list; there are so many factors that are much more important. Why do men have such a hard time believing this?

Actually with me it's the opposite and I bet it's the same for women. I wouldn't settle down for good with a girl that has small breasts, she wouldn't settle down with a guy who got a small penis.

I could have her as a sex buddy or something like that, but that's pretty much it, also it really depends. Ofc cleaveage is going to be one of the big factors whether I'm going to live with this girl or not for the rest of my life.

[DaddyDick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DaddyDick]

But DD...I AM a woman and I have never cared about penis size nor have the many women I have spoken to and interviewed...we need to be careful about making generalizations as that is just what they are...generalizations.

this is not a generalization. each woman has her own preference and will seek that preference out. this is something that has changed with sexualization in America.

[donjelqer76 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close donjelqer76]

I think TPW's intention was only to show that "size queens" and some of the skewed perceptions on size didn't just magically appear, and wasn't generated out of nowhere. Just as some of it has come from lady gossip, men have contributed as well by their actions (and not generally speaking, not all women gossip and not all men have bragged or lied about their size). Add porn into the mix and you can see that there is a lot of shared responsibility. In the end, men these days have become very insecure with themselves. We see it here every day!

Anyways, I don't think she meant to start a blame war or to put anyone on the defensive. Lets not all get carried away

With that said, I have to agree that most men either don't realize or won't accept that as a whole, men have been contributors to the very things that have caused so much insecurity these days.

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

this is not a generalization. each woman has her own preference and will seek that preference out. this is something that has changed with sexualization in America.

Isn't that what I just said but in reverse? Generalizations don't take personal preferences into account.

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For women: Ignorance is no excuse. Unfortunately, most women seem ignorant of any accuracy regarding penis size. It is not like they learn it in health class or pay attention in shop class on using a ruler. I do not need to say this for this crowd of course but if you want to know how big something is, you need to measure it. I have yet to hear of or encounter a woman who carries a tape measure in her purse. But even a seamstress will likely not measure a guy she is about to have sex with. Some still do not even know about various flaccid sizes and shrinkage: yes, ladies, on a cold day when a man is running errands, working, running at the park, or pursuing other pedestrian ends, his dick is little.

When having sex with a handful of women, I was not erect when they removed my unit from my shorts. I could tell they were not very impressed but I knew something they did not, it was about to get much bigger. One girl even heard from her friend who I was with previously how big I was and when she removed my cock she said out load, "You're not that big. I do not know what she was talking about." First, thanks for the ego boost lady, you are a real charmer under pressure. But a few minutes later she was worried I would hurt her! (She was terrible in bed in case you were wondering, actually she was very inhibited but I think much more experienced than I was sexually). There are a few or several older threads on here with similar stories. I recall one about a girl saying she needed ~9" to be happy and the poster said he showed her a beer bottle the size she wanted. She recoiled in horror at the thought of taking something so big inside her vagina.

For men: Yes, there is much truth in your original post TPW (I liked your long name better). Even men in their 30's & 40's can be overheard exclaiming to a sexy young girl at a bar, "My dick is 10" baby, I will show you tonight." The discouraging thing is she is likely to leave with the pompous ass in a few minutes. In high school some of my older classmen took to calling me "noodle dong" (is that an insult or a complement? I think it confused the girls too). I ignored it but of course the name spread. I was an outsider, at this time shy about sex and girls and even in the locker room avoided letting anyone see me naked. Yet, somehow half the school knew all about my dick and the name came up even years later. I just ignored the whole thing so it was not an issue for me. I also worked with a guy who was something of a self-proclaimed ladies man and a few times he offered me advice on women. Much of it was useless and had to do with sex and "learning to use what I have" for a penis to pleasure a woman. You see, he assumed that since I did act like a cocky jock (itch) that I must have a small penis. What a bunch of idiots. The men you and I describe are thus very immature. Unfortunately, even women who are not still stuck in a teenage sexual stupidity often end up bedding them.

Finally, for a humorous, if also sad look at people's knowledge of penis sizes, have a look in Craig's List Casual Encounter section. Such common quotes as, "Must be at least 8" to be considered", "I am 7" so my wife wants at least 9" cock", "Looking for hung men....8"-10" at least", "I am very sexual so only 11" and above need respond". Of course many men speak the secret language of exaggerated dick size and their 6.5" passes for 9". But a week or two later some of these same people are reposting asking, "Where are all the big cocks?" Well, they do not exist honey or they have women hotter than you lining up to have sex with them. (This is not true of everyone for certain but you see my point).

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Batwoman, Tinkerbell, SLU, Islander, MikesMrs, Sweetie, MrsLooking4More, MrsDonjelquer, Frog, TPW and a host of other women have been here. Some have gone by the wayside. They have all come and told us that dick size really doesn't matter but not only do we not believe them we usually argue with them and tell them they're wrong. A few of the ladies no longer here have left just for that reason; they were tired of saying the same thing over and over again and guys not listening or even arguing. The fact is that here and in real life I have talked to enough women to know that dick size doesn't mean all that much and if you want to believe it does than you're making your own problems. Okay what was this thread about?

[draggin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close draggin]

Historically-speaking; women’s sexual liberation is still relatively new. The challenge is that as women attempt to claim their newfound sexual freedom, many think the best way to charter these unknown waters is through role reversal. That is, behaving sexually as (they believe) men do. The irony, of course, is that many of the sexual attributes they criticized men for women are now doing themselves; more specifically, the sexual objectification of the opposite sex.

As a result, we are witnessing, for the first time in history, the harmful psychological effects of objectification on men that have plagued women for as long as anyone can remember; most importantly, a negative body image.

Now there are certainly some women who embrace role reversal as a sort of payback, but the majority of (mostly young) women simply use it because they have yet to discover their own sexual guidelines. In short, they are looking to men’s sexual behaviour and beliefs to determine their own.

By understanding this, instead of blaming women solely for the rise of the superficial “size queen” perhaps it may be time for men to recognize their role in creating that unrealistic perception in the first place.

For example; how often have males done the following while in the presence of females:

…bragged about the size of their penis?

…exaggerated their penis size?

…claimed sexual virility based solely on penis size?

…ribbed and teased each other about penis size and function?

…etc.

So...how do men expect women to have a realistic perception and acceptance of the male penis (we don’t have one, remember?) when many men seldom have it themselves? If men want women to change their unrealistic “penis” perspectives to something more factual perhaps men should lead by example?

I think I have a solution: Have all men wear plastic see-through pants! Then they couldn't exaggerate about their penis. Ewwwww. Gross. Forget I said that (I'm in a silly mood right now).

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

I think I have a solution: Have all men wear plastic see-through pants! Then they couldn't exaggerate about their penis. Ewwwww. Gross. Forget I said that (I'm in a silly mood right now).

I always thought we should all wear our genitalia on our forehead!

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Like Don said, another fantastic thread TPW.

Please excuse the generalizations. I am sure that not all men/women see it this way, but it does seem to be an all too common view. I am not trying to blame, just convey my thoughts.

While I certainly agree that we may be responsible for our own undoing (there's a first, huh?) I don't believe that we should accept it any more than women should accept that they have to look like Victoria Secret models to be attractive.

As far as porn goes, I think that the popularity of the huge penis is because of self projection. Some want to see that larger guy taking the girl, because they want to be that larger guy taking the girl. Men are so visual, that picturing ourselves as the actor, we live it vicariously. But when reality sets in after the show, we "feel" like we can not compete. And so insecurity sets in, by our own design.

Maybe our competitive nature makes it where we feel we need to be the big dog to ensure survival. I think you're right, some don't believe when women tell us otherwise, because some don't believe it. Much like how some women don't believe men who say they don't need a model to be happy. Too much outside input pointing the other way, even if it is full of fallacy. And women, like men, may choose certain specific shallow requirements for an acceptable hook-up. It's when these short term preferences are seen as long term ideals that we get the wrong idea. So how do we change that? Unfortunately, like a virus, it is easier spread than cured. That doesn't mean we give up though.

Personally, I don't believe I need to be porn sized to please a woman, nor do they have to be a size zero to be attractive. I also don't believe that the majority of women care a whole lot about penis size, or that guys want large breasts (I'm an ass man myself ).

Hopefully, one day we will all realize how silly we sound to each other, and just accept others for what/how they are.

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

Hopefully, one day we will all realize how silly we sound to each other, and just accept others for what/how they are.

Well said workin_4_it...I couldn't agree more!

[Steneo Senior MemberPEGym Hero Member of the Month Dec 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close Steneo]

Actually with me it's the opposite and I bet it's the same for women. I wouldn't settle down for good with a girl that has small breasts, she wouldn't settle down with a guy who got a small penis.

I could have her as a sex buddy or something like that, but that's pretty much it, also it really depends. Ofc cleaveage is going to be one of the big factors whether I'm going to live with this girl or not for the rest of my life.

Did I read that right? You actually wouldn't be in a long term relationship with a girl because she has small breasts? With that attitude you may miss out on some great women! Your choice I guess...

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Batwoman, Tinkerbell, SLU, Islander, MikesMrs, Sweetie, MrsLooking4More, MrsDonjelquer, Frog, TPW and a host of other women have been here. Some have gone by the wayside. They have all come and told us that dick size really doesn't matter but not only do we not believe them we usually argue with them and tell them they're wrong. A few of the ladies no longer here have left just for that reason; they were tired of saying the same thing over and over again and guys not listening or even arguing. The fact is that here and in real life I have talked to enough women to know that dick size doesn't mean all that much and if you want to believe it does than you're making your own problems. Okay what was this thread about?

People argue about politics, they are still friends . I am sorry for my arguing earlier in the thread, may have been a bit mean against T.W.P.. Point is that I don't wanna fill the entire thread she made with arguments and "aids", even though I disagree on some points.

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And therein, my dear Cusp, lies the irony...you are absolutely right! The vast majority of women do NOT care about penis size and yet when we tell men that, they still don't believe us. Could it be, as my thread indicated, because many men don't believe it themselves?

You know, I see this quote bandied about rather frequently here. There are folks on one side who say it is true and there are folks on the other side who say it is false. To a degree, I think they are both right.

Taken to the extreme, if penis size didn't matter, then (technically) someone with a 1/2" length would be sexually acceptable. This doesn't sound logical.

Batwoman, Tinkerbell, SLU, Islander, MikesMrs, Sweetie, MrsLooking4More, MrsDonjelquer, Frog, TPW and a host of other women have been here. Some have gone by the wayside. They have all come and told us that dick size really doesn't matter but not only do we not believe them we usually argue with them and tell them they're wrong. A few of the ladies no longer here have left just for that reason; they were tired of saying the same thing over and over again and guys not listening or even arguing. The fact is that here and in real life I have talked to enough women to know that dick size doesn't mean all that muchand if you want to believe it does than you're making your own problems. Okay what was this thread about?

Here is where the problem lies. If it doesn't mean "all that much" it must carry some meaning. It may not be the number 1 priority, but to some degree it matters.

While women say that penis size doesn't matter that much they have also said it must be big enough to feel (preferably enough to hit the G-spot [3-4 inches]). So size does matter, but it is not the cardinal requirement. The importance of penis size, relative to other qualities, is likely less significant.

If this is the case, then size kings should be warned that a large penis does not compensate for shortcomings in personality, emotional maturity, or social maturity. To paraphrase CUSP, having a big dick won't hide the fact that you are a big dick.

Perhaps the debate should be, "Among the many preferable manly attributes of partner, what is most important, and where does penis size fit on the list of priorities?" I think we'd have a more substantive conversation if it were couched in this manner.