You're all nuts

[seanyboy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close seanyboy]

I believe it's in the post.



I mean, the biggest form of support IMO would be to believe that the person who is doling out advice actually has merit to do so, without that, their wisdom seems hollow.

There are basically two camps of guys here. Those that are skeptical but will try it anyway and those that won't because of skepticism. If someone is willing to ask me or others advice, then those are likely of the former camp (like myself). I didn't need photo evidence because photo evidence can be faked and I was already willing to try it myself, and those are the ones I'm willing to help as much as I can. I have no time for the latter camp, and frankly, glad so that this can be kept on the DL as much as possible.

[MrPriapus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrPriapus]

There are basically two camps of guys here. Those that are skeptical but will try it anyway and those that won't because of skepticism.

That there sir, is called a False Dichotomy. One of the basica rhetorical fallacies.

I am in neither of those camps, as I still hold onto my skepticism, but am willing to try because the principles make sense. If no one ever posted any pictures, I would likely never have come around. But, people have posted enough legitimate photos here and at thunders, and the methodology seems sound enough that I'm willing to stow skepticism and give it a try.

You could call my view, "Skeptical Optimism," if there is such a thing

[seanyboy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close seanyboy]

That there sir, is called a False Dichotomy. One of the basica rhetorical fallacies.

I am in neither of those camps, as I still hold onto my skepticism, but am willing to try because the principles make sense. If no one ever posted any pictures, I would likely never have come around. But, people have posted enough legitimate photos here and at thunders, and the methodology seems sound enough that I'm willing to stow skepticism and give it a try.

You could call my view, "Skeptical Optimism," if there is such a thing

Photos would not have convinced me personally one way or the other because I know photos can be faked and would imagine other skeptics are smart enough to know this too, which is why I have no desire to place photos. This was my point. I was giving you a reason why I don't place photos to prove PEs legitimacy. People, like myself, will try it anyway in spite of our skepticism, and these are the people I'll gladly gravitate towards and help as much I can. As long as the secret stays within this circle of people, I'm happy.

[MrPriapus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrPriapus]

As long as the secret stays within this circle of people, I'm happy.

Dude, nothing online is a secret. A quick google search will get you here. That's how I got here.

I understand your POV, there are many people on here who want to tout the scientific method claiming peer reviews, journals, and any and everything else to try and legitimize PE. And I always wonder, why quote these studies, if you've gained, you've got the ultimate proof right there. No one has to do this. But, I'm more inclined to respond well to someone who at least tries (good photos or not), because although photos can be doctored, I don't believe most people have the incentive of doing a good enough job to actually make it look legitimate.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

Dude, nothing online is a secret. A quick google search will get you here. That's how I got here.

I understand your POV, there are many people on here who want to tout the scientific method claiming peer reviews, journals, and any and everything else to try and legitimize PE. And I always wonder, why quote these studies, if you've gained, you've got the ultimate proof right there. No one has to do this. But, I'm more inclined to respond well to someone who at least tries (good photos or not), because although photos can be doctored, I don't believe most people have the incentive of doing a good enough job to actually make it look legitimate.

The irony of this is that, even if there was a lot more evidence there probably wouldn't make more success stories. The most often touted thought terminating cliche that gets thrown around about PE is: "if it worked, then every man would be doing it". As you know, the same thing can be said about any endeavor that requires effort, patience, and self-experimentation; and like dieting, weight training, self-education, etc. not everyone that engages in those activities makes much difference. The numbers are usually on the small side for self-motivated endeavors, and even with coaching the apathy factor is often not easy to overcome.

[MrPriapus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MrPriapus]

I agree, but better evidence might attract more people and eventually legitimize PE in popular culture. Look at the bodybuilding community, there is plenty of photo proof that people can get completely shredded. Of course this comes at a price, but it's enough for someone to at least try it and maybe reap some benefits, even if they don't become photo exemplars of the routine, at least you know that people are making progress. Although photo evidence for bodybuilding or weight loss is soooo much easier than photo evidence for PE, lol.

I also think that with more legitimate photo evidence, we would be able to put together a glossary of photos that newbies could see that would help quell their concerns. I wonder how many skeptics like me are turned away because they didn't find the legitimate proof they needed early enough to give PE a try? I know I can't be the only skeptic out there. And even in this guy's case, he's given it a try and want's to give up. Imagine if there were photos of someone with similar stats that he could see and look to for advice and inspiration. I think for many people, seeing is believing.

[lclutchl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close lclutchl]

Who has the time to fake a photo for GUYS really though. I can maybe, just maybe see if you were sending it to a girl but for a Forum online? That's crazy if you ask me. I measure wrong or Hold a slight Uli while trying to take a picture unintentionally (Mrpriapus you were right) lol i can see that, but really trying to make your penis look bigger for other guys i dont see who has the time for that and why would anyone want to make that time? If anyone does that its very very sad

[seanyboy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close seanyboy]

Dude, nothing online is a secret. A quick google search will get you here. That's how I got here.

I understand your POV, there are many people on here who want to tout the scientific method claiming peer reviews, journals, and any and everything else to try and legitimize PE. And I always wonder, why quote these studies, if you've gained, you've got the ultimate proof right there. No one has to do this. But, I'm more inclined to respond well to someone who at least tries (good photos or not), because although photos can be doctored, I don't believe most people have the incentive of doing a good enough job to actually make it look legitimate.

Yes you can always google it, but you have to know specifically what to google first. I would imagine people not familiar with this subject will be hit with a slew of scams and skeptical opinions of the medical field that surround this subject. And that will likely discourage more than encourage.

The irony of this is that, even if there was a lot more evidence there probably wouldn't make more success stories. The most often touted thought terminating cliche that gets thrown around about PE is: "if it worked, then every man would be doing it". As you know, the same thing can be said about any endeavor that requires effort, patience, and self-experimentation; and like dieting, weight training, self-education, etc. not everyone that engages in those activities makes much difference. The numbers are usually on the small side for self-motivated endeavors, and even with coaching the apathy factor is often not easy to overcome.

Dick size causes a lot of anxiety to a lot of guys, probably most guys. I would imagine if PE was known and had credible sources of evidence backing it, this would be huge incentive for a lot guys to at least try it, especially factoring in it cost them nothing but a little of their time.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

I agree, but better evidence might attract more people and eventually legitimize PE in popular culture. Look at the bodybuilding community, there is plenty of photo proof that people can get completely shredded. Of course this comes at a price, but it's enough for someone to at least try it and maybe reap some benefits, even if they don't become photo exemplars of the routine, at least you know that people are making progress. Although photo evidence for bodybuilding or weight loss is soooo much easier than photo evidence for PE, lol.

I also think that with more legitimate photo evidence, we would be able to put together a glossary of photos that newbies could see that would help quell their concerns. I wonder how many skeptics like me are turned away because they didn't find the legitimate proof they needed early enough to give PE a try? I know I can't be the only skeptic out there. And even in this guy's case, he's given it a try and want's to give up. Imagine if there were photos of someone with similar stats that he could see and look to for advice and inspiration. I think for many people, seeing is believing.

That's definitely agreed upon

Consider the evolution that weight training went through. In the early part of the last century, it was disparaged and considered counterproductive by the mainstream (though it has records of being popular in ancient times).

The thought was that it slowed one down and made them "musclebound", and that it even affected the genitals in a negative fashion. Now, weight training in some form or another is used to supplement almost every type of sporting endeavor.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

Dick size causes a lot of anxiety to a lot of guys, probably most guys. I would imagine if PE was known and had credible sources of evidence backing it, this would be huge incentive for a lot guys to at least try it, especially factoring in it cost them nothing but a little of their time.

That, next to performance anxiety and ro a lesser extent fear on injury causes a lot of cases of ED. If one suffers from this type of fear, the ultimate goal of PE training should be to transcend these fears.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Who has the time to fake a photo for GUYS really though. I can maybe, just maybe see if you were sending it to a girl but for a Forum online? That's crazy if you ask me. I measure wrong or Hold a slight Uli while trying to take a picture unintentionally (Mrpriapus you were right) lol i can see that, but really trying to make your penis look bigger for other guys i dont see who has the time for that and why would anyone want to make that time? If anyone does that its very very sad

There have been one or two major players in PE that have been busted of being guilty of photo enhancement. fortunately they are easily exposed so for the most part people are honest and the pictures are real.

[ThinJohnny Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ThinJohnny]

Enigma, I haven't read the whole thread, but it sounds like you believe that hanging might work. So what you're really saying is that you don't believe manual PE works. That's a very different argument.

What about extenders? Have you seen these two studies:

A pilot phase-II prospective study to test the 'effi... [BJU Int. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

Effect of penile-extender device in increasing pen... [J Sex Med. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

These look like legitimate peer reviewed studies to me. Do you think they are? I don't blame you for being skeptical about PE. It seems too good to be true, but I think you might be giving up too easily.

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

If PE is a gimmick then I guess I'm just wasting my time banging my head against the wall waiting to PE again.

[Grim Reaper Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Grim Reaper]

enigma, has ur flaccid stretch length increased at all? that is the most accurate way to track any length development. i would advise u to measure ur bpfsl a few times carefully, and record it incase u ever pe in the future so u can compare the measurement. unlike ur EL, temperature or EQ won't affect the measurement.

[PanBird Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PanBird]

No you're nuts!