frustrated by early plateau - help anyone? - long-time lurker (thank you!)

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

Alright - so the reason I'm here...

Started JonPops mid-September (over 50 days ago) after having done a 1/2 hour kegel routine for a few weeks and MAN, what a start!

Went from 5.5 NBPEL (5.9 BPEL) and 5 EG to 6 NBPEL (7 BPEL) and 5.5 EG in about 1 week!

Best part was I simultaneously had quit my masturbation routine (instead of trying to go for more, decided to "save it up") and it worked incredibly well. Sex with my gf was always great, but after about a week of not seeing her and starting JP's, the first time again with her was INCREDIBLE - the best it has ever been for her and the best it has ever been for me. Pretty amazing. I was riding high!

BUT...
Been continuing JPs as much as I can - usually 4-5 days on, then 1-2 or 3 days off. I'm spending a good hour on JP's routine and 1/2 hour on the kegels. And ever since that first week, I've had almost no measurable gains. Zero. (Okay, it's possible there have been some, but they're so small they're almost negligible and prone to be error.) : ( Also, sex and eq haven't gotten any better, they've kinda settled back down. It's still better than it was before, but have not had that level of amazing again.

It's frustrating because I'm spending a huge amount of time working on it and I expected to see... well, some gains. Even if they weren't significant. 1/8 or something in the subsequent weeks? But no, nothing.

The Rest of the Story
I'm in my late 30s. 5'8, 150 (now). About a year ago I was a little tiny bit overweight (always been skinny, but combination of poor diet and no exercise caused me to gain 10 or 15 "ugly" pounds, so I cleaned up my diet and started exercising a bit. Tough to balance work in, but made it happen. Went from 163 to 149 in about a month. (A bit too much, I thought!) Started exercising less and eating more, thought I had things under control until I got a scale and weighed in at 139 (!). Adjusted my diet further, after continual tracking realized I was way low on calories and protein. Upped my cardio to promote my metabolism so I could consume more. Anyway, now I'm 151 and gaining healthy weight. Roughly 3000 cals on non-big exercise days and as many as 4000 some days. Went from 40 - 60 grams of protein to 120 - 140 (still trying to get to 160, it's tough!) Hydrating a lot more lately. Doing Animal Packs, about 1 per day broken up into three smaller goupings, I think one animal pack at one time is just too much for me, getting moderate exercise of 1 - 2 hours per day (depending on how you count PE).

So I feel like I'm giving my body good opportunity to gain with PE, but the quick plateau is givin' me the blues! I'm going to keep after it, but I have to admit I'm a little frustrated.

Going for length first, then girth. Been pulling pretty hard at the stretches. I'm definitely putting the effort in. It's entirely possible I'm over-training.

Start: (20 Aug 2014), EQ 8.50/10 NBPEL: 5.50" BPEL: 6.50" EGB: 5.00" EGM: 4.00" EGG: 4.00"

1 Wk: (03 Sep 2014), EQ 8.00/10 NBPEL: 6.00" BPEL: 6.95" EGB: 5.50" EGM: 5.00" EGG: 4.75"
Current: (09 Oct 2014), EQ 8.50/10 NBPEL: 6.25" BPEL: 7.00" EGB: 5.50" EGM: 5.13" EGG: 4.63"

Goal: (20 Aug 2016), EQ 10.0/10 NBPEL: 7.25" BPEL: 8.00" EGB: 6.50" EGM: 6.25" EGG: 6.25"

Thoughts, ideas?

Seriously, thank you in advance. I've learned a TON about my body from this and Thunder's Place. Even if I'm not able to get back on track for the gains I want, I feel like I'm in much better touch with my body.

I sure hope I can make at least some more gains though!

OH - and the backstory. I got into PE - originally just kegels - because I was having a hell of a time with condoms. The minute I'd put one on, beeeeuuuhp. Totally lose my erection and it was tough to keep it going. It's difficult for me to ejaculate in the first place (I guess I have DE, though I believe it is mostly mental), and with a condom it's just downright frustrating. So the kegels helped immensely with EQ, but condoms are still a detriment I need to overcome. Btw, I tried out like a billion of them and found that Kimonos work best for me, if anybody else cares about such things - gotta be careful what lube you use, but anyway, that's another story.

THANK YOU for reading and listening and offering encouragement and help.

Anybody else plateau quickly, and how did you get through it?

[Lavian Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lavian]

Congratulations on your early gains, they're really amazing! Personally I have passed the 90-days of the Jon Pop's routine, and have gained null.

But I lost about 25 pounds in just two months, so that's cool. All the comments I've been getting have been negative though.

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Okay, had to re-read your post there, thought you said you didn't gain anything since September 2013, not 2014. You do realise this is a slow process? You are lucky you gained anything, let alone half an inch. Finish out the JP90 and then come back to us. Oh, and read my pulling the chute thread in my signature link.

[Rybina Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Rybina]

Hi ibleev,

you have not reached a plateau at all, you are doing a "conditioning" program to prepare your penis for more advanced training. Some people do report seeing gains from the JP90, but you should not feel like it isn't working for you just because you haven't.

You started on August 20th, so by the end of November you will be ready to move onto training towards gains. In the meantime, try to read as much as you can, because you will then want to develop a training program designed to achieve your personal PE goals.

Good luck with your PE journey mate.

[NeverEnough9 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NeverEnough9]

And I thought I was being impatient after 6mo with no gains.

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

@Lavian - sorry to hear that man. Congrats on losing 25lbs! I'll have a look at your posts and see if I can add anything constructive. Thanks for the support.

@kickinthemebs - will do! Yeah, I realize it's a slow process. I guess I was just surprised by such staggering early gains and then the sudden "stop". My main concern is that I'm overtraining or something, doing something detrimental that I don't realize. I expected small but consistent gains after such an incredible first week.

Oh well, hopefully reading about my experience will help somebody else here! : )

@Rybina - okay, message received. After a big start, I was hoping for another 1/4 inch by November and 1/2 inch (total) by April, but perhaps that was just me being a silly noob. : )

I've also just recently seen Big Al's meCoach thread and that's a completely different approach than JonPop's. Wondering if I should change directions or incorporate some of that... I'll do more research I guess.

@NeverEnough9 - that's a great thing for me to hear! Thank you!

I also thought my age might have something to do with it, so interesting there are no comments about that.

Alright, alright, so more patience. I'll keep at it! Thanks for the encouragement and responses. : )

[kickinthemebs Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close kickinthemebs]

Age has nothing to do with gains except in two regards, - young guys (18-20) may seem some great gains that are also the tail-end of their natural growth phase, and older guys with bad EQ will experience early great gains as a result of improved blood-flow, erection quality and so forth.

People's initial early gains - i.e. like yours, are from improved EQ. The gains after those initial EQ gains are a lot harder to come by. Have a look at the league of legends thread in my signature.

[ATP Senior MemberPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close ATP]

Heya, ibleev -

You've already received some good comments, which you've acknowledged - so I'm not going to repeat any. I just wanted to share that being just through a bit over 90 days of doing regular PE myself, I came to a realization about most of my own gains. It seems to me that the best way I could put it is that because of the increased sexual health, the improved flexibility in ligaments and structure - the conditioning phase gains could be equated to discovering the penis you already had. At least that is how I see it.

It seems you're on the right track with the work, keep on it with the mental and good luck.

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

Hiya ibleev

Although I cannot assist you with your specific concerns, I did want to welcome you to the forums and let you know that we are happy to have you here.

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

People's initial early gains - i.e. like yours, are from improved EQ. The gains after those initial EQ gains are a lot harder to come by.

This is the single best thing I've read on this entire forum - and I've read a lot! THANK YOU for explaining that! I feel much better now... So I shall continue forth.

Thanks also for pointing out these other fantastic threads - SO much good information here, it's great to be pointed in the right direction. Thank ya, Sir!

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

@ATP - thanks man! It sure is nice to be in better touch with my body. I wish I knew all of this stuff a LONG time ago - and there are many more questions yet to be answered. But I sure do appreciate the support.

@The Passionate Wife - thank much, Ma'am! : )

[TPW Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close TPW]

You're very welcome ibleev!

(and you can just refer to me as TPW - everyone else does )

[chemicalagent420 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close chemicalagent420]

I disagree completely. my early gains are almost all corpus c. Even when my EQ was down my dick was fat. Instead of doing a light warm up to PE I was V jelqing as hard as I possibly could and doing ULIS (event hough I just called them squeeze holds). I gained .4 length and .6 girth. I clearly malformed my corpus. I mean my dick went for 4X4 flaccid to 5X5 flaccid in a month. That had nothing to do with EQ. My dick was swollen and and the blood vessels were maxed out. That being said I was way more aggressive than is suggested. I had 1 good bruise to show for it and 2 or 3 small ones. I was jelqing at 90% erection and doing intense ULIs. EQ has caught back up, but it seems like when I do ULIs alot it always takes a few days for rock hard EQ to return. After the initial gains I imagine it is going to take several months for me to get to 7x5.75 my next stopping point

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

Fair 'nough @chemicalagent420!

But for me, my erection quality improved - not in hardness but in blood flow - because I was moving blood around and opening up areas of my penis that were not being fully used before. Know what I mean? So I see exactly what mebs was saying - I hadn't thought about it like that. I'm stretching and using - conditioning - my penis muscle so much more fully now.

I'm not saying this very well, but when I read his comment it was like an instant "AHA" in my head.

It's not a matter of permanent physical stretching and actual tissue lengthening - it's more like blowing up the balloon for the first time. I haven't caused the balloon itself to grow more - I haven't added any material to the balloon yet - that comes over lengthy periods of time for a guy my age I guess. But I've stretched the balloon out so that it is much easier to fill and give it a full shape.

Does that make sense?

I believe the cell walls in my muscle will grow over time with good diet, hydration, and work, and hopefully they'll stretch and get larger and hopefully I'll grow more cells - that's real enlargement. But for now, what I've done by doing JonPop's conditioning routine is get blood into those almost neglected areas that weren't having it forced into before. So now it's a lot easier to get larger and harder because those veins and arteries are lubed up - they're being used regularly. Before, many were in almost a dormant state. Many were working just fine - but by doing the conditioning, I'm forcing more to be used.

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying - I'm sure everyone's experience is different. But for me, this was incredibly useful. The initial stretch is over now for me, and it was good. Took me about a week. Now the real work begins.

Are we saying the same thing? Or is your experience still completely contrary?

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Mash it hard or take it easy, your gains were eq. You can't gain that much tissue. Don't care what you believe or don't believe.

Giving yourself a bruise is not proof of a good work out, it's proof of over doing it.

And to ibleev, welcome to the gym and keep up the good work. It will pay off.