saiyan22's opinion on the science of PE base on my studies and experiance

[AmminsFirst Member Find all posts View Profile Close AmminsFirst]

Saiyan22, thank you very much for taking the time to share your thoughts with us. Your essay reminded me of a discussion I was having with my colleagues a couple of days ago and I'd like to make a comment if I may. I'm sure you know the cells in our bodies are constantly being renewed and replaced. What that means is that in spite of practicing PE, we're all going to have a completely new penis (comprised of entirely new cells) in a few years time. I'm not going to speculate exactly how long it would take because it depends on a myriad of factors but suffice to say it never ceases to happen.

Therefore, microscopically-speaking, our penises or for that matter any other part of our bodies is always changing in size and structure, adjusting to old cells being destroyed and the creation of new ones. So without going into excruciating detail, it is my medical opinion that the plastic/elastic deformation as you put it works hand in hand with our bodies' natural maintenance mechanisms, and over time, through renewal, remodel and restructure, penis enlargement becomes a very tangible reality.


Cheers,
AF

[wind chill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wind chill]

wow sayian amazing post.
REPPED!!

[papaki Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close papaki]

Agree with what you have said but want to add some of mine scientific aproach which is very deeper.

I wanted to write a whole book of what I have understund for my penis via PE which I think is very true If someone has reached an upper level.First section I would like to talk about is flausid penis state.Years ago my flausid was about 1" something like micropenis...this caused me anxiety not enough self confidence and many other symptoms etc..What I knew then was that my mind was very powerfull and I used to constatly think about diferent things all time was very social have many complex syndroms and many more..So then I understand that either my small flausid penis caused all that OR all that caused my small flausid penis.Years later I understood that it was the second.All that caused my small flausid penis.Now my flausid stands between 6" and 6.5" and when doing pee streches goes above 8".So lets go to my explanation...
After many search I found out that in the brain there are 2 main areas...The logic area..and the not conscious area.Some more findings is that in a new research scientists believe that when a baby boy is born it is decided if it will take a powerfull mind or a big toy.This is very close to what I believe about brain.I think that all healthy people have the same mind and same functions.What diferences is what part of mind each people use most.So when we say that someone has a powerfull mind that means that he uses very very much the logic area.Again I have to remember you that the more some one uses logic the less he uses non conscious functions in some other area.Something more is that logic area is very very close to sociality area which make us attractive as friends and help us make friends.Years ago with the small flausid state I used to be extreme logicaly...think all things with logic and no emotion at all.From all my logic I used to have very complexes.So when I went to pee and strech my penis it could go on maximum at 3" or 4" because when I strech I used to think all my complexes and all problems I had.Now I can strech and not go above 6" if I do the same thinking when pulling.What I have managed doing to reach 8" in each pee pull is to free my mind and stop my logic area.When not thinking anything you can make complex disapear.Your brain then need less blood to function and the other blood come down to penis.Scientific now Sex is a desire and a need caused by the brain.The human brain consists of two main brains.The prohistoric brain which is in a lower level and has all functions as eating voiding peeing and sexing.This is only what most animals have and the prohistoric people had.In the thousands of years of development a new brain has developed above the old brain.It is called mamal brain and functions mainly for sociality.All mamals grow their childs up and most of them come on teams in the nature.Otherwise reptiles have only the lower brain and not mammal brain.So this is the reason that they born a new reptile and not care about it.Some of them even eat their child.Mammal brain in the human developed a third state which is logic that only people have in excess.So logic is anatomic the upper level inside the brain.under that is mammal brain and under that is prohistoric brain.Remember sex is only activated by prohistoric brain which is very deep inside.But different levels of brain cant work simultaneously at a good level because most blood goes only in one area and there is very much distance between the prohistoric brain and the logic brain.The prohistoric brain function is what I named above as not conscious area.You can guess why.Because when it functions in a good level the logic brain shuts down causing not consciousness.This is what eliminates all of my thoughts and complexes now.This again takes you away from sociality and make you focus on one woman only and only as a female for sex.This makes your brain produce more dopamine and serotine which give you power to feel good and is what make you boost your self confience in order to win this woman.This again makes you produce more testosterone because of the good feeling and make you ready for sex.Something more is that non conscious area is what controls all chemical produces as dopamine and seretonine.All that make the brain think only for sex and let all blood come down to the penis.All that again make you feel calm not anxious about anything and make the pc muscle strech between its limits which let me with a simple pull to reach 8" plus.But for 8" you cant strech only the skin but the penis which want many many blood to go there.So when I think and have anxiety about something blood is not enough for this.Again when I spent very much time with friends and talk very much dont know why but again when I do a pull I have the same blood decreased flow.I need many time to make all thoughts go away and release my blood to the penis.The true is now days I have less friends less cares and less worries but what I have come up with is that makes me hang lower and make me use my not conscious area better.Every one here want to think of some people that they know that hang low.How do they react in their life.Are they logical people with complexe syndroms very calm and use their logic to explain everything and think everything twice before they talk OR they are very energetic say everything even if they dont think about what they said speak loud dont have worries and have very diferent reactions etc...You can guess now that they use the non conscious brain more than logic and this make all that reactions and probably a low hang..

[Working2Grow Member Find all posts View Profile Close Working2Grow]

Maybe I'm misreading you papaki, but I think you are making things more complicated than they need to be. Yes, stress and anxiety will make you tense. But I don't think that there is any relationship between gains and having fewer friends, being less logical, thinking too much, etc. Not that one example really proves or disproves any theories, but I happen to have a friend who is known amongst our female friends to be very well endowed and he is very very logical (to the point that romantic relationships don't work out due to an inability to STOP thinking logically). But again, I might be misunderstanding what you are saying.

[normalguy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close normalguy]

Another great contribution to the PE science Saiyan22. Awesome!

That's an interesting read papaki, even I don't adhere to your theory and tend to agree with working2grow. But you put a lot of thought in it and that's one of the way that we'll make progress in the PE science. On a side note, you might want to consider editing your post as it's very difficult to read as it is because too compact. Leave blanks, use paragraphs. I fear that a lot of members won't actually read your post for this reason!

[saiyan22 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close saiyan22]

Hey guys, thanks for the support. Hopefully my imput and opinons baseds on my PE experiances will shed some light with other members on how plastic deformation works with soft tissue. TIME UNDER TENSION IS THE KEY. The quest to acheave deformation is to find the right amount of time under tension for your penis to respond to.

With papaki's post, It seems that he is talking more about the mental expects of things associated with having a big penis rather then doing physical PE to achieave plastic deformation and structural remodeling.

[papaki Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close papaki]

What I wanted to say sayan was that penis and size and how good we feel about it is all in the mind.I also believe that the size of penis is again a function of the brain.I always measure my size between 7.8 and 8" and if I have other thoughts in my mind I still see it average.But when I am focused on sex and my brain is on sex and only on sex I can measure the same and my penis will be huge like a tanker.And something else is that by relaxation and mind games that release your mind of bad thoughts your penis expands more and this way you can add much more gains than just streching.If the brain is free enough of bad thougths and complexes it can release huge amounts of dopamine and other chemicals like serotine that will make all muscles relax and from what we know till now errection happens when some muscle before penis relaxes enough by the brain causing it to fill with blood.So with this state of relaxation someone can reach huge size even on flausid state with no errection at all.As from sociality it is true that sociality and sex for the brain are two excactly diferent functions.Sociality is very far in the brain from the under level which is for sex.Even if it sounds bad I can say what I think is that the bigger the sociality circle that you have the more complex the area of sociality in the brain becomes and that distracts many blood from going in the under level of brain which is for sex.Try to think some of your friends during sex.You will very easy understand that your penis dont like this thougths.Try some other time forgot everything and everyone and focus on sex.You will see how your penis is responding to this and then you will all understand what I mean...

!What I try to explain with some theory is what I have writen in my avatar and I am fully aware of...

[jekyllnhyde360 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close jekyllnhyde360]

another great explanation fom kingsnake!

[jekyllnhyde360 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close jekyllnhyde360]

back at post 15 kingsnake you were talking about how we introduce clamping or jelq,ect... with heat to expand the tunica thru creep.
and you mentioned that eventually if done correctly plastic deformation takes place and then everytime we clamp or whatever
the penis will expand to that size.
i have 2 very important questions to ask.

1.let say bob has 5'' girth and when he clamps he get to 5 and 1/4'', now lets say hes stuck at 5and 1/4 and when he takes of the clamp he goes back to 5'' soon after (so no girth) and its been months .

1.how could he make the 5and 1/4'' his unclamped permanent girth?

2.and how could he make his clamped girth higher? (you know what i mean theres only so much you can do with clamping, once you cant expand no more or you keep hitting the same size you shit out of luck, right?) thanks knigsnake for you time and knowledge on the subject!!!

[Johnny Butt Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny Butt]

Hey guys here's my take on the science of PE. Keep in mind this is not gosbal or anything. This is just my humble opinion on the matter so go easy on me. When it comes to the science of penis enlargement I think people should study more closely the science behind stretching and deforming connective tissue in general. Looking up the topic of stretching soft tissues or connective tissues on google will show you guys tons of information that you can relate PE with. I think one of the mistakes that people make when it comes to PE is they try to relate it to body building or working out your muscles to stimulate gains. The penis can not be tricked or stimulated into growing. It doesn't work that way. The penis does have smooth muscle in it but this smooth muscle does not enlarge because some guy starts doing a different or new PE excersise then he's use too. If a guy changes his PE routine and he starts making gains all of a sudden it's because he is finally doing something that's creating enough direct tension and load time to plastically deform the soft tissues of the penis. His penis wasn't tricked or stimulated to grow at all. What's happening is the new or different excersize that the guy is doing is turning out to be more efficent at placing the proper stress neccesary to induce CREEP which later leads to deformation and structural remodeling of the tissues.

In my humble opinion the penis is enlarged beyond it's natural starting size from plastic deformation and structural remodeling of the deformed tissue at a microscopic level. As more deformation and remodeling takes place in a accumilated fashion, the accumilation of remodeled and enlarged tissue will become a visuable and functional gain with time and consistancy. When it comes to rest days the main use for them is to prevent the the accumilated fatigue and deformation of the tissues from accumilating into dangerous levels of fatigue and deformation which can leed to imflamation and injury. Rest days are strictly individual and will be different for everybody.

Now when it comes to PE people have to realize that it takes time to enlarge your penis. People have to realize that you are trying to force your penis to enlarge in size dispite what your genitic make up had already set for you. To enlarge a body part that is done growing once you reach full adult hood is a time comsuming and scientific process. When you think of PE don't think the terms GROWING your penis because at full adult hood your penis is done growing. Once you hit 21-23 years old then that's a RAP fellas. Your not getting any bigger naturally. Instead when you think of PE think the term ENLARGING the penis. At full adult hood your penis will not grow anymore but you can ENLARGE it through plastic deformation and remodeling of it's tunica and ligaments and other connective tissues.

So all in all the main points that I wanted to get across with this essay is to understand that we are ENLARGING our penis's. Not GROWING our penis. Once purberty is done then that's all she wrote guys. There is no more growing of the penis at this point. The other main point that I wanted to reiderate is treating the penis like a skelital muscle you work out in the gym. The tissues of the penis enlarge through CREEP and plastic deformation then remodeling of the tissue at a microscopic level which will overtime accumilate to visible and functional gains as more deformation and remodeling takes place. Plastic deformation is completely time and load dependent. When one changes an excersize and he makes gains all of a sudden, it's because the new excersize he's doing is proven its self to be more efficient at creating the neccassary time under tension to deform the tissues.

To be honest, I'm a bit sceptical about your theory about plastic deformation versus elastic. You do know creep is the last thing that happens before something actually breaks right? It looks a bit too much taken out of a book about material science, but don't forget we're talking about living tissue, and not steel or polymers. I'm not saying your theory is wrong, I just say that I'm sceptical. When you talk about plastic deformation in materials, it happens on a molecular scale, the crystal structure, while we are dealing here with living cells, and ripping them apart (breaking them) is not the same as plastic deformation. It's not because you find a model that seems to fit the experimental results, that the theory about the model itself can be used to explain the experimental results.

[UYN Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close UYN]

To be honest, I'm a bit sceptical about your theory about plastic deformation versus elastic. You do know creep is the last thing that happens before something actually breaks right? It looks a bit too much taken out of a book about material science, but don't forget we're talking about living tissue, and not steel or polymers. I'm not saying your theory is wrong, I just say that I'm sceptical. When you talk about plastic deformation in materials, it happens on a molecular scale, the crystal structure, while we are dealing here with living cells, and ripping them apart (breaking them) is not the same as plastic deformation. It's not because you find a model that seems to fit the experimental results, that the theory about the model itself can be used to explain the experimental results.

You the scientist if I'm not mistaken. I think you should have a read about plastic deformation of at thunders. I think wadzilla was the thread starter. I also think I posted some links on Diesel's progress thread.

-UYN-

[saiyan22 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close saiyan22]

Thanks for the support fellas.

Hey jekyllnhyde360. You must know me exsclusively over at MOS since you are using my MOS name which is kingsnake. LOL.

With your example of Bob continuously hitting the same girth measurment when clamped for months, Bob either needs to increase the intensity for more expansion or add more clamping sets to increase the amount of time under tension Bob's tunica is recieving while clamped.

I also believe other forms of PE should be done to further weakend the tunica along with the clamping sets. I think exsecises like bundled stretches or bundled hanging are excellent ways of added stress to the tunica in conjunction to clamping.

I personally do my clamping workout in the evening after all of my bundled hanging sets are done for the day. The bundled hanging hits lenght and girth and the clamping sets in the evening serve to finish off the already weakend tunica.

Hey johnny butt. Check out this link and read the page that the link directly takes you to which explains how safely deforming soft tissue works.

Functional soft-tissue examination ... - Google Books

[jekyllnhyde360 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close jekyllnhyde360]

how would you increas intensity?
like kegel harder or double clamp? i think your method is best becaus it creates intense expansion!
but do you think that 3-4 sets of 15 min is long enough for permanent gains ?
just asking cuz i dont know how many sets or how long you used to clamp when you first started! thanks bro

[Johnny Butt Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny Butt]

Thanks for the support fellas.

Hey jekyllnhyde360. You must know me exsclusively over at MOS since you are using my MOS name which is kingsnake. LOL.

With your example of Bob continuously hitting the same girth measurment when clamped for months, Bob either needs to increase the intensity for more expansion or add more clamping sets to increase the amount of time under tension Bob's tunica is recieving while clamped.

I also believe other forms of PE should be done to further weakend the tunica along with the clamping sets. I think exsecises like bundled stretches or bundled hanging are excellent ways of added stress to the tunica in conjunction to clamping.

I personally do my clamping workout in the evening after all of my bundled hanging sets are done for the day. The bundled hanging hits lenght and girth and the clamping sets in the evening serve to finish off the already weakend tunica.

Hey johnny butt. Check out this link and read the page that the link directly takes you to which explains how safely deforming soft tissue works.

Functional soft-tissue examination ... - Google Books

That sure looks like an interesting book, too bad it's not complete. I'm not going to draw conclusions based on just that one page, I need to read the book and learn more about the anatomy of the penis and the biochemical processes that happen during the healing of the tissue before I come back and draw conclusions. It's also dangerous to base theories around the introduction of a book, because you will never get the entire picture and nuances. At this point I don't even understand if you make the cells bigger, or make the amount of cells bigger. I first need to learn more about the topic.

Right now the biggest doubt I have is that you seem to jump from soft tissues around the joints, to soft tissue in the penis. It can be the same as jumping from something that works with rats should also work on humans. In many cases it does, with slight modification, sometimes it just doesn't. I'm also wondering about the different cell types in the penis, and how they will respond to stress.

And the only real way to find out what works and what doesn't... case studies. And a lot of them. You basically need hundreds and hundreds of people who perform for instance 10 variations on a certain theory, and this way you could be able to see differences. The only problem is that you need to be able to control certain parameters that are very hard to check, like nutrition, amount of stress applied, rest etc...

It makes it all very difficult to go "scientific" when there is really no way to check if your theory is wrong or right.

But hey, the ruler never lies

[Always Ready Brek Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Always Ready Brek]

this thread is one interesting read. cheers. feel a little more enlightened now