Hmm

[TheGreatDivider Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close TheGreatDivider]

Does it strike anyone that this may not have been a typical group?

What does "queer" even mean in the modern context?

The modern context of "queer" is gender-queer, those that identify with neither sex, both sexes, or alternate between identifying as male or female. This term is now accepted by LGBT communities making it LGBTQ.

[plays alot Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close plays alot]

Have no idea what to make of figure#4. It's supposed to be the smallest and largest sizes of girth and length that each participant experienced. It looks like lines drawn from the smallest to the largest, and each line is a little different to represent each participant. However, there are only 13-15 lines on each one. Plus, some of the lines are backwards, meaning, their largest partner was smaller than their smallest partner.

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I think what they meant is that they had women choose the smalllest and largest of the models given from their experience, and around the point where the lines intersect near the middle of the x axis represents an average.

There are separate graphs for what they considered average and their biggest and smallest experience.

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Have no idea what to make of figure#4. It's supposed to be the smallest and largest sizes of girth and length that each participant experienced. It looks like lines drawn from the smallest to the largest, and each line is a little different to represent each participant. However, there are only 13-15 lines on each one. Plus, some of the lines are backwards, meaning, their largest partner was smaller than their smallest partner.

You made more sense of it than me ,what are the smallest/biggest results?

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One thing to notice though - they used 3D models of dicks - so we are talking about NBPEL here guys.
Offset the NBPEl by an average fat pad of about -educated guess- 1'' (-1) and you should have a more realistic avg. value.

Furthermore, Some stuff doesnt really make sense - like 3.5'' girth average? Wat?
Some participant sure had bad luck.

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You made more sense of it than me ,what are the smallest/biggest results?

Both girth and length graph show smallest and largest sizes around 2.5", 8".
The graph is a mess, and there is no mention of the results found on it in the Results or Discussion sections. Not only does the smallest and largest sizes seem off, the women who experienced the 8" girth never experienced one thinner than 5.5" girth.

I'm thinking memory accuracy comes into play here. They did a size recall test to see if the women can accurately remember the size of a penis, this way they can say whether or not they can accurately size their past partners based on memory. The results were good, but the test was only 10 minutes. I think the results of the recall test might show they understand what size a penis is, but it doesn't prove they accurately remember a penis they experienced 10 years ago on a one night stand.
Never the less, I think they needed to explain figure 4.

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One thing to notice though - they used 3D models of dicks - so we are talking about NBPEL here guys.
Offset the NBPEl by an average fat pad of about -educated guess- 1'' (-1) and you should have a more realistic avg. value.

Furthermore, Some stuff doesnt really make sense - like 3.5'' girth average? Wat?
Some participant sure had bad luck.

Actually since they got to feel the models and nbpel is a visual measure I think not. If it was nbpel you have women thinking average is 7.5 and 8" nbpel so getting around 9" bpel.

It makes more sense to me that many of these women were just not into dick, being lesbian etc.

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Both girth and length graph show smallest and largest sizes around 2.5", 8".
The graph is a mess, and there is no mention of the results found on it in the Results or Discussion sections. Not only does the smallest and largest sizes seem off, the women who experienced the 8" girth never experienced one thinner than 5.5" girth.

I'm thinking memory accuracy comes into play here. They did a size recall test to see if the women can accurately remember the size of a penis, this way they can say whether or not they can accurately size their past partners based on memory. The results were good, but the test was only 10 minutes. I think the results of the recall test might show they understand what size a penis is, but it doesn't prove they accurately remember a penis they experienced 10 years ago on a one night stand.
Never the less, I think they needed to explain figure 4.

The chances of their being accurate from what you say are so remote as to be incalculable .

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Ok as so often the conclusion is the study is flawed.

[plays alot Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close plays alot]

Ok as so often the conclusion is the study is flawed.

Not the whole study. The women got to pick their preferred size, and it turns out, most have a similar preference. The memory based stuff, as in measurements of their past sizes, can't be taken seriously. If they say most penises they have had are similar in size, that's ok. But saying they can accurately guess the size of past lovers is flawed.

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If not much more than half were actually into dick (including bisexual) and the sample size was small to start with then hmmmm,
They were nowhere near accurate on average size or past lovers size hmmm.

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I don't disagree that the sample wasn't the largest, or that the fact that they used non heterosexual women is kind of strange. I assume they just selected participants at random to include women who aren't the most sexual in nature for a better representation of population.
A couple things though. Just because a women is not currently heterosexual doesn't mean she doesn't have experience with penises. Also, the lesbians could have been referring to a preference of dildo size if they never been with a man.
What I like about this study is it allowed women to handle model penises and select the one they would prefer to have sex with. The average size of those selected, albeit from only 75 women, were just slightly larger than the average male penis. This goes to show despite what the average male thinks, there is a chance the average women prefers something much closer to the average size.
Also this is preferred size, not what size they think they needed. If they asked 75 men to identify their preferred size vagina, I imagine the average results would be more narrow than the average width vagina.

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I don't disagree that the sample wasn't the largest, or that the fact that they used non heterosexual women is kind of strange. I assume they just selected participants at random to include women who aren't the most sexual in nature for a better representation of population.
A couple things though. Just because a women is not currently heterosexual doesn't mean she doesn't have experience with penises. Also, the lesbians could have been referring to a preference of dildo size if they never been with a man.
What I like about this study is it allowed women to handle model penises and select the one they would prefer to have sex with. The average size of those selected, albeit from only 75 women, were just slightly larger than the average male penis. This goes to show despite what the average male thinks, there is a chance the average women prefers something much closer to the average size.
Also this is preferred size, not what size they think they needed. If they asked 75 men to identify their preferred size vagina, I imagine the average results would be more narrow than the average width vagina.

Wow where to start or even if to bother.

The sample size was 75 odd, a good sample size would be 1000's though 100's sometimes has to do due to money constraints etc.
The sample was not random they were supposed to be over 18 y sexually active and to be INTERESTED IN HETRO SEX, that is they broke their own procedures.
Also one would think even if it was just random straight and bisexual together should make up considerably more than half the sample . That is make up of the sample does not reflect the general community let alone the community of women interested in hetro sex.

In conclusion the errors made throw doubt on any conclusions drawn from the study.

[plays alot Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close plays alot]

One good thing about this study is they realized they needed to first make sure the subjects had an understanding of penis size before asking what size they preferred. On this site people are always posting that women have a poor understanding of measurements and think that a 6 incher is 7+, etc. Had they just randomly asked women their preferred size without educating them first, the results wouldn't be of much value.
Hopefully, people interested in further study look at that and take a similar approach.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

One good thing about this study is they realized they needed to first make sure the subjects had an understanding of penis size before asking what size they preferred. On this site people are always posting that women have a poor understanding of measurements and think that a 6 incher is 7+, etc. Had they just randomly asked women their preferred size without educating them first, the results wouldn't be of much value.
Hopefully, people interested in further study look at that and take a similar approach.

While they did not educate as such I see your point . Perhaps this study can be of some use as the basis for further research.