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I don’t intend for this to be my ‘Magnus Opus’ nor am I seeking to reinvent the wheel. I simply have pooled together a lot of information both from my own empirical studies on my wang, the fantastic work done by many others on the boards and specialists in the medical field. So, largely I am standing on the shoulders of giants and simply putting forward my condensed observations and claims. They do lead to a theory; that we can pinpoint a primary reason for the difficulty in attaining BPEL and BPFSL gains by some people despite hard work and commitment.
My inspiration for this investigation and theory have emerged largely from my own despondency. I did the hard work and gained little. However, I did gain and it was the methods used to gain that largely held clues about how to unlock future gains. I was also prompted by detailed reports by PE’ers here who worked hard over long periods and also did not gain.
I have been in close contact with one of the world’s leading Molecular Geneticists. Prior to obtaining his PhD in this field (only two people in the world were qualified to conduct his peer review) he was a fully qualified Physiotherapist. He knows about my PE endeavours and has given permission to use excerpts of our conversations in this post; however, he does not wish to have his name revealed for professional reasons. I personally think that he secretly fears being hunted down by PE’ers and bombarded with dick pics and questions by email!
So, I will not dally any further and will dive into my Tough Tunica Ponytail Theory (TTPT).
BACKGROUND
I came to these boards in 2012. I was inconsistent at first. I got serious in 2013. Traditionally I work in ‘quarters’ (periods of 3 months). I pick a routine to suit my goals (more length and girth), stick to it and evaluate the results at the end.
To most, I would hope, I am pretty reliable in terms of keeping records via my log, measurements and photos. I have tried every variation of manual PE exercise along with the use of air pumps, water pumps, silicone cock rings, edging, clamping, pelvic floor exercises and extenders. I have had periods of very modest gains and periods of no gains. My current BPFSL and BPEL are equal at 6.9”. This will become relevant later.
GAINS VS NO GAINS
I have gained very little through manual exercise. I can honestly say that the very small gains would be through improvement of my EQ, which is great. I went from a 6-7 to a 9 over the years. I have varied the pressure/intensity and duration of manual exercises with little outcome. Where I did make significant gains was with the use of an extender. Here are the results of extender use during the period 27/07/13 - 20/10/13:
It is interesting to note that I started at such a low flaccid length in the extender but I was wary and wanted to ease into it. Also, it took time to get comfortable and avoid slipping out. I went by the manufacturers recommendations and used the extender 6 days a week for 3-4 hours at a time. This was one of the few quarters where I actually gained:
Increase in BPEL of +0.35", BPFL +0.625" and FG +1.0"
So how is it that I have not gained using all other manner of manual exercise when others have? I believe that it comes down to one significant factor; a degree of tunica density at the higher end of variance which does not respond to established levels of safe force which we apply through our hands from manual exercise. It is always said here ‘don’t pull your dick off’ and I have adhered to that. However, I know that I have been putting about 3-5 lbs of pressure through my hands during my stretching. It is obviously not enough on two fronts.
Firstly, it is not enough pressure to extend the tunica in the first instance or not enough time is being expended, with that force, to create tunica expansion. I believe that this is why the extender worked; significant force x sufficient time = expanded tunica. There is no genius here on my part as we all know this. However, it sets the foundation for what I will be claiming later.
ANATOMY REVISITED
The tunica forms fascial layers on the periphery of the corpus cavernosum and corpus spongiosum (the spongy tissue on the underside of the penis shaft). To function effectively, these fascial layers must provide the penis with a wall container capable of withstanding a high degree of rigidity and axial strength when erect, yet be supple when flaccid. The tunica must be able to elongate symmetrically and increase in girth with tumescence, assuring a straight erection. The tensile strength of the tunica is approximately 1200 – 1500 mmHg making this fascia one of the strongest in the body. The mechanical properties of the tunica which allow for maximum volume changes of the erect penis are called tunica dispensability. 95% of the tunica is comprised of collagen with the remaining 5% being elastin.
So this is what we are dealing with primarily after any initial EQ gains and/or suspensory ligament elongation through training for BPEL. Once these have been maximised, it all comes down to the tunica. I am not blindly neglecting smooth muscle but as tunica is primarily responsible for the maximum volume of the corpus cavernosum, it is that tissue that we are seeking to elongate. The greater the elongation of the tunica, the greater the volume of blood that can enter the corpus cavernosum allowing for not just BPEL gains, but EG gains as well over time.
So why does my tunica seem unresponsive to manual exercise but responsive to greater levels of force over longer periods of time (given that some people make great gains with manual exercise)? We will now move on to this.
TOUGH TUNICA PONYTAIL THEORY
So, what’s up with stuff going on in my wang? Is my tunica potentially more fibrous (and therefore more difficult to stretch) than your tunica? The evidence strongly suggests so. Another PE’er, remek, posited that there were potentially variance in the layers of tunica possessed by different people:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...explained.html
He claimed that the penis may be comprised of anywhere between 1 and 3 ‘layers’ of tunica. It is here that I now hope to expand on his theory. We might want to think of the tunica in terms of it being a mass of fibres rather than being layered. Here is an excerpt of the conversation that I had with my Molecular Geneticist friend:
ME: "Hey dude…couple of questions about tissue density and genetics. Do people have different levels of tissue density in the tunica? For example, if you take two random people that might have the same surface area of tunica (unlikely but just say that you found two of these humans) would one have different density of tissue as opposed to the other guy? Would this affect innate flexibility of the tissue if placed under force (assuming neither had ever subjected the tissue to previous stress)?"
HIM: "Tunica, similar to tendons and ligaments, are connective tissues largely made of collagenic fibres. They therefore can be stretched just like a piece of hair can be... they can lengthen through a natural process of senescence and actually become longer over time. They have enormous strength. They have very little blood supply or nerves ...think of them like a pony tail..."
Here was the point at which I became very excited. Apparently, my ‘ponytail’ has more ‘hairs’ than yours might. Given the enormous strength of the tunica, trying to work it with conventional techniques simply may have been insufficient where it would be for others.
So, the human head has between 90,000 – 150,000 individual hairs. Let’s just use these numbers as nominal values for the variance in tissue density in the tunica, as we know that there is variance. One guy applies longitudinal force to his 90,000 hair ponytail for 1 hour every day using X force. Over time, he achieves some increase in BPEL and BPFSL. I apply longitudinal force to my 150,000 hair ponytail for 1 hour every day using X force. The same amount of force simply is not enough to create change.
So now we get down to brass tacks. My ponytail either needs 2X or 3X force and/or needs this force to be delivered for 1 hour or more. It is a case of increased force, increased time or both.
Some further excerpts from my conversation with my friend, remembering that the tunica is comprised of 95% collagen:
ME: "So our tunica, tendons and some other tissue in the body is primarily comprised of collagen. Does ingesting collagen supplements contribute to the development of stuff with collagen composition or does it just get turned into something else during digestion? What happens with collagen when we try to alter the structure of tissue? How does genetics and environment play into tissue development?"
HIM: "Collagen. Yes a large amount of your body comprises collagen it’s in the extracellular matrix between individual cells, right up to most of your bodies connective tissue, fascia and interstitual tissue, including your hair and skin. No you can’t really ingest collagen to make collagen...its irreversibly hydrolyzed when formed. Its comprised basically of glycine and proline amino acids and involves vitamin C (abscorbic acid) as a co factor in the enzymatic synthesis of collagen...but i don’t remember all the detail... it is basically three glycine and proline (this amino acid gives it a twist) strands in a 3-strand helix...intertwined to form a collagen strand.
So tissue density is tissue dependent. Collagen is generally collagen no matter who you are. Collagen is very strong. If you have a genetic disorder where your collagen is funky... you’d be largely fucked and heavily disabled.
Collagen bundles can become thicker as muscle bulk increases. Bone density similarly will increase. It all responds to increases in force. There are mechanical receptors that know when things are being tensioned.. (like a stomach being full) ...these mechanoreceptors can lead to upregulation of osteocyte activity and increased bone density due to muscle activity...
So exercise is good for intersticial fibres which is basically collagen. Collagen length and thickness in various tissues is largely a product of your environment...namely muscle bulk, activity, morphology...etc...
Muscle density is definitely predisposed by a number of genetic factors as is the response of your muscles to exercise and activity. Some people respond well to exercise...build muscle mass and or density and improve cardio. Some people get little benefit morphologically....that is genetics. Exercise and activity...where you are predetermined to respond... will in some cases produce denser muscle that is less bulky... sometimes bulky muscle of low density and sometimes either with little muscle fibre endurance... ultimately where your body responds well to exercise... you can choose to encourage a variety of outcomes for muscle groups... bulk... density or endurance... so it’s complicated."
Here we can see that my friend has gone into greater detail about overall body function which is great. Always useful to know how our bodies respond to activity and how much may be genetically pre-determined. I asked him a few other questions related to veins and smooth muscle:
ME: "Dude…what is smooth muscle? Also, veins and shit. Normal people start out with stock standard veins. Bodybuilders, through greater muscular bulk, seem to have those veins running along their arms and crap which would indicate that their veins, now running over a greater area, are longer? Is it possible for people to lengthen veins? How does this process work and what kind of building blocks (nutrients etc) are involved in this?"
HIM: "Basically smooth muscle is those involuntary muscles in areas like veins, arteries, intestines, bowel. They are vessels able to contract and dilate but its not a voluntary thing... controlled by the sympathetic/para sympathetic nervous systems. Veins and the venous system is largely laid down and fixed from birth. Veins therefore don’t get longer or anything. Rather the dermis and skin and fat deposits on bodybuilders reduce so much that the veins become obvious. They can become thicker due to blood pressure and physical effects of cardiovascular under duress... but don’t get longer."
So a lot of fantastic information from my friend. The main thing that I took away from this was that our tunica is essentially a very tough collagen based ponytail. Yes, if you took each strand and spent time applying force, it can be stretched. If you get a 90,000 strand ponytail and try to stretch it, you clearly can with some degree of force over time. The GYM has demonstrated this. There is variation between density of ponytail. Maybe I have a 150,000 strand one. However, it CAN still be stretched as it is still made of the same collagen/elastin composition and the only trick is working out HOW to stretch it for BPEL/BPFSL results.
THE WAY FORWARD
So earlier in my post, I demonstrated how manual exercise (medium force over medium time) had not been sufficient to elongate or widen my wang. It HAD increased my EQ by pushing blood into my corpus cavernosum but it had not sufficiently expanded the tunica surrounding the corpus caverosum. The force delivered through an extender was sufficient over time to bring about gains in BPEL and BPFSL.
So, I am embarking on a hanging routine where I can, in great detail, track the amount of force over time delivered to the tunica. I will see at what point force is sufficient over what period of time to bring about change in my BPEL and BPFSL. I am following the schedule laid down by blink2000 here:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...ing-101-a.html
The principal outcome that we hope for with hanging (once ligaments are elongated) is to target tunica. As my BPEL and BPSFL are equal, it is definitely the tunica that need to be targeted as per TGC theory posited by remek:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...explained.html
Am I doing anything that hasn’t already been done? No. We know that hanging works. However, I want to know how well it works on what is clearly a case of a very densely formed collagen bundle…the tunica in my wang.
I hope that people can take some interesting information away from this. It isn’t revolutionary or particularly original. However, it is a more detailed look at the tunica and perhaps a new way of looking at it. Rather than sheets, layers or whatever you want to call them, you can think of the tunica as a ponytail that we grip and stretch on. How far does a ponytail stretch? I don’t know…how far does a wang stretch?
Primarily, I wanted this post to inspire anyone who may be facing a tough time trying to gain. Don’t worry, you aren’t a freak and you are not failing. You have more hair in your ponytail…that is all. The secret is to find at what degree of force over time it stretches for hard gainers.
I will begin documenting my new journey in my log. I just wanted to put this information out there and save a few guys from giving up. I never do!
My inspiration for this investigation and theory have emerged largely from my own despondency. I did the hard work and gained little. However, I did gain and it was the methods used to gain that largely held clues about how to unlock future gains. I was also prompted by detailed reports by PE’ers here who worked hard over long periods and also did not gain.
I have been in close contact with one of the world’s leading Molecular Geneticists. Prior to obtaining his PhD in this field (only two people in the world were qualified to conduct his peer review) he was a fully qualified Physiotherapist. He knows about my PE endeavours and has given permission to use excerpts of our conversations in this post; however, he does not wish to have his name revealed for professional reasons. I personally think that he secretly fears being hunted down by PE’ers and bombarded with dick pics and questions by email!
So, I will not dally any further and will dive into my Tough Tunica Ponytail Theory (TTPT).
BACKGROUND
I came to these boards in 2012. I was inconsistent at first. I got serious in 2013. Traditionally I work in ‘quarters’ (periods of 3 months). I pick a routine to suit my goals (more length and girth), stick to it and evaluate the results at the end.
To most, I would hope, I am pretty reliable in terms of keeping records via my log, measurements and photos. I have tried every variation of manual PE exercise along with the use of air pumps, water pumps, silicone cock rings, edging, clamping, pelvic floor exercises and extenders. I have had periods of very modest gains and periods of no gains. My current BPFSL and BPEL are equal at 6.9”. This will become relevant later.
GAINS VS NO GAINS
I have gained very little through manual exercise. I can honestly say that the very small gains would be through improvement of my EQ, which is great. I went from a 6-7 to a 9 over the years. I have varied the pressure/intensity and duration of manual exercises with little outcome. Where I did make significant gains was with the use of an extender. Here are the results of extender use during the period 27/07/13 - 20/10/13:
| TIME SCALE | INCREASE | EXTENDED FLACCID LENGTH |
| Week 1 | 0 | 10 cms (4 in) |
| Week 2 | 0.5 cms | 10.5 cms (4.2 in) |
| Week 3 | 0.5 cms | 11 cms (4.4 in) |
| Week 4 | 0.5 cms | 11.5 cms (4.6 in) |
| Week 5 | 0.5 cms | 12 cms (4.8 in) |
| Week 6 | 0.5 cms | 12.5 cms (5.0 in) |
| Week 7 | 0.5 cms | 13 cms (5.2 in) |
| Week 8 | 0.5 cms | 13.5 cms (5.4 in) |
| Week 9 | 0.5 cms | 14 cms (5.6 in) |
| Week 10 | 0.5 cms | 14.5 cms (5.8 in) |
| 10 days later | 0.5 cms | 15 cms (6.0 in) |
| 10 days later | 0.5 cms | 15.5 cms (6.2 in) |
Increase in BPEL of +0.35", BPFL +0.625" and FG +1.0"
So how is it that I have not gained using all other manner of manual exercise when others have? I believe that it comes down to one significant factor; a degree of tunica density at the higher end of variance which does not respond to established levels of safe force which we apply through our hands from manual exercise. It is always said here ‘don’t pull your dick off’ and I have adhered to that. However, I know that I have been putting about 3-5 lbs of pressure through my hands during my stretching. It is obviously not enough on two fronts.
Firstly, it is not enough pressure to extend the tunica in the first instance or not enough time is being expended, with that force, to create tunica expansion. I believe that this is why the extender worked; significant force x sufficient time = expanded tunica. There is no genius here on my part as we all know this. However, it sets the foundation for what I will be claiming later.
ANATOMY REVISITED
The tunica forms fascial layers on the periphery of the corpus cavernosum and corpus spongiosum (the spongy tissue on the underside of the penis shaft). To function effectively, these fascial layers must provide the penis with a wall container capable of withstanding a high degree of rigidity and axial strength when erect, yet be supple when flaccid. The tunica must be able to elongate symmetrically and increase in girth with tumescence, assuring a straight erection. The tensile strength of the tunica is approximately 1200 – 1500 mmHg making this fascia one of the strongest in the body. The mechanical properties of the tunica which allow for maximum volume changes of the erect penis are called tunica dispensability. 95% of the tunica is comprised of collagen with the remaining 5% being elastin.
So this is what we are dealing with primarily after any initial EQ gains and/or suspensory ligament elongation through training for BPEL. Once these have been maximised, it all comes down to the tunica. I am not blindly neglecting smooth muscle but as tunica is primarily responsible for the maximum volume of the corpus cavernosum, it is that tissue that we are seeking to elongate. The greater the elongation of the tunica, the greater the volume of blood that can enter the corpus cavernosum allowing for not just BPEL gains, but EG gains as well over time.
So why does my tunica seem unresponsive to manual exercise but responsive to greater levels of force over longer periods of time (given that some people make great gains with manual exercise)? We will now move on to this.
TOUGH TUNICA PONYTAIL THEORY
So, what’s up with stuff going on in my wang? Is my tunica potentially more fibrous (and therefore more difficult to stretch) than your tunica? The evidence strongly suggests so. Another PE’er, remek, posited that there were potentially variance in the layers of tunica possessed by different people:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...explained.html
He claimed that the penis may be comprised of anywhere between 1 and 3 ‘layers’ of tunica. It is here that I now hope to expand on his theory. We might want to think of the tunica in terms of it being a mass of fibres rather than being layered. Here is an excerpt of the conversation that I had with my Molecular Geneticist friend:
ME: "Hey dude…couple of questions about tissue density and genetics. Do people have different levels of tissue density in the tunica? For example, if you take two random people that might have the same surface area of tunica (unlikely but just say that you found two of these humans) would one have different density of tissue as opposed to the other guy? Would this affect innate flexibility of the tissue if placed under force (assuming neither had ever subjected the tissue to previous stress)?"
HIM: "Tunica, similar to tendons and ligaments, are connective tissues largely made of collagenic fibres. They therefore can be stretched just like a piece of hair can be... they can lengthen through a natural process of senescence and actually become longer over time. They have enormous strength. They have very little blood supply or nerves ...think of them like a pony tail..."
Here was the point at which I became very excited. Apparently, my ‘ponytail’ has more ‘hairs’ than yours might. Given the enormous strength of the tunica, trying to work it with conventional techniques simply may have been insufficient where it would be for others.
So, the human head has between 90,000 – 150,000 individual hairs. Let’s just use these numbers as nominal values for the variance in tissue density in the tunica, as we know that there is variance. One guy applies longitudinal force to his 90,000 hair ponytail for 1 hour every day using X force. Over time, he achieves some increase in BPEL and BPFSL. I apply longitudinal force to my 150,000 hair ponytail for 1 hour every day using X force. The same amount of force simply is not enough to create change.
So now we get down to brass tacks. My ponytail either needs 2X or 3X force and/or needs this force to be delivered for 1 hour or more. It is a case of increased force, increased time or both.
Some further excerpts from my conversation with my friend, remembering that the tunica is comprised of 95% collagen:
ME: "So our tunica, tendons and some other tissue in the body is primarily comprised of collagen. Does ingesting collagen supplements contribute to the development of stuff with collagen composition or does it just get turned into something else during digestion? What happens with collagen when we try to alter the structure of tissue? How does genetics and environment play into tissue development?"
HIM: "Collagen. Yes a large amount of your body comprises collagen it’s in the extracellular matrix between individual cells, right up to most of your bodies connective tissue, fascia and interstitual tissue, including your hair and skin. No you can’t really ingest collagen to make collagen...its irreversibly hydrolyzed when formed. Its comprised basically of glycine and proline amino acids and involves vitamin C (abscorbic acid) as a co factor in the enzymatic synthesis of collagen...but i don’t remember all the detail... it is basically three glycine and proline (this amino acid gives it a twist) strands in a 3-strand helix...intertwined to form a collagen strand.
So tissue density is tissue dependent. Collagen is generally collagen no matter who you are. Collagen is very strong. If you have a genetic disorder where your collagen is funky... you’d be largely fucked and heavily disabled.
Collagen bundles can become thicker as muscle bulk increases. Bone density similarly will increase. It all responds to increases in force. There are mechanical receptors that know when things are being tensioned.. (like a stomach being full) ...these mechanoreceptors can lead to upregulation of osteocyte activity and increased bone density due to muscle activity...
So exercise is good for intersticial fibres which is basically collagen. Collagen length and thickness in various tissues is largely a product of your environment...namely muscle bulk, activity, morphology...etc...
Muscle density is definitely predisposed by a number of genetic factors as is the response of your muscles to exercise and activity. Some people respond well to exercise...build muscle mass and or density and improve cardio. Some people get little benefit morphologically....that is genetics. Exercise and activity...where you are predetermined to respond... will in some cases produce denser muscle that is less bulky... sometimes bulky muscle of low density and sometimes either with little muscle fibre endurance... ultimately where your body responds well to exercise... you can choose to encourage a variety of outcomes for muscle groups... bulk... density or endurance... so it’s complicated."
Here we can see that my friend has gone into greater detail about overall body function which is great. Always useful to know how our bodies respond to activity and how much may be genetically pre-determined. I asked him a few other questions related to veins and smooth muscle:
ME: "Dude…what is smooth muscle? Also, veins and shit. Normal people start out with stock standard veins. Bodybuilders, through greater muscular bulk, seem to have those veins running along their arms and crap which would indicate that their veins, now running over a greater area, are longer? Is it possible for people to lengthen veins? How does this process work and what kind of building blocks (nutrients etc) are involved in this?"
HIM: "Basically smooth muscle is those involuntary muscles in areas like veins, arteries, intestines, bowel. They are vessels able to contract and dilate but its not a voluntary thing... controlled by the sympathetic/para sympathetic nervous systems. Veins and the venous system is largely laid down and fixed from birth. Veins therefore don’t get longer or anything. Rather the dermis and skin and fat deposits on bodybuilders reduce so much that the veins become obvious. They can become thicker due to blood pressure and physical effects of cardiovascular under duress... but don’t get longer."
So a lot of fantastic information from my friend. The main thing that I took away from this was that our tunica is essentially a very tough collagen based ponytail. Yes, if you took each strand and spent time applying force, it can be stretched. If you get a 90,000 strand ponytail and try to stretch it, you clearly can with some degree of force over time. The GYM has demonstrated this. There is variation between density of ponytail. Maybe I have a 150,000 strand one. However, it CAN still be stretched as it is still made of the same collagen/elastin composition and the only trick is working out HOW to stretch it for BPEL/BPFSL results.
THE WAY FORWARD
So earlier in my post, I demonstrated how manual exercise (medium force over medium time) had not been sufficient to elongate or widen my wang. It HAD increased my EQ by pushing blood into my corpus cavernosum but it had not sufficiently expanded the tunica surrounding the corpus caverosum. The force delivered through an extender was sufficient over time to bring about gains in BPEL and BPFSL.
So, I am embarking on a hanging routine where I can, in great detail, track the amount of force over time delivered to the tunica. I will see at what point force is sufficient over what period of time to bring about change in my BPEL and BPFSL. I am following the schedule laid down by blink2000 here:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...ing-101-a.html
The principal outcome that we hope for with hanging (once ligaments are elongated) is to target tunica. As my BPEL and BPSFL are equal, it is definitely the tunica that need to be targeted as per TGC theory posited by remek:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...explained.html
Am I doing anything that hasn’t already been done? No. We know that hanging works. However, I want to know how well it works on what is clearly a case of a very densely formed collagen bundle…the tunica in my wang.
I hope that people can take some interesting information away from this. It isn’t revolutionary or particularly original. However, it is a more detailed look at the tunica and perhaps a new way of looking at it. Rather than sheets, layers or whatever you want to call them, you can think of the tunica as a ponytail that we grip and stretch on. How far does a ponytail stretch? I don’t know…how far does a wang stretch?
Primarily, I wanted this post to inspire anyone who may be facing a tough time trying to gain. Don’t worry, you aren’t a freak and you are not failing. You have more hair in your ponytail…that is all. The secret is to find at what degree of force over time it stretches for hard gainers.
I will begin documenting my new journey in my log. I just wanted to put this information out there and save a few guys from giving up. I never do!
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