Tough Tunica Ponytail Theory

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Great response. So after about 15 minutes it would be useful to stop, jelq, and then warm up again. It sounds like cycling this would provide the best results.
Do you believe that micro perforating the Tunica would aid with gains?

Thanks mate. Yes it does seem to indicate that 15 minute cycling is the best approach to keep stimulating those receptors. It is great that the PE experiences here tend to support that; if you look at most routines, people tend to do one exercise for 15-20 minutes and then change their angle of attack. An example might be to do 15 minutes of straight out stretches in different directions, then jelq for 15 minutes (providing a different form of stress), and then do 15 minutes of bundled flaccid stretches, A stretches etc.

With my ponytail theory, you COULD hold your 'ponytail' straight out under longitudinal tension for an hour but you probably wouldn't get the benefits past 15 minutes. This is why with hanging, 20 minute sets followed by 10 minutes of jelqing seem to be effective. The jelqing is reseting the receptors to facilitate further stretch and then returning to another hanging stretch, you are once again resetting the receptors to encourage elongation. Guys have proven that this works. Extenders are a bit more tricky as they are applied for hours; however, my theory is that you elongate the collagen bundles for 15 minutes past their normal range and then simply prevent them from returning to their original state for the remaining 'X' value of time. Thus the ADS theory. With the massive tensile strength, prolonged stretching in one direction using a single method tends to indicate that you get 15 minutes of going past your original point and 'X' amount of time not allowing that incredible tensile strength to reclaim what you have facilitated.

I don't have the expertise to comment on the perforation of tunica. It would almost probably encourage the growth of new collagen through peptide signalling but whether or not elongating the wang during the perforation period could result in permanent elongation with new, longer collagen strands forming is theoretical. Someone would have to do studies into this but it is a very good, logical train of thought.

I'm sure that there is someone crazy enough out there to make an iron maiden for their wang and then hang or do something similar lol.

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Microderm the penis? Ouch! What mm size would be needed anyway. 1, 2, or 3mm? Would this even be possible? I will research this further, because I want too much penis.

What about the steel cord problem that impacts so many people. It seems that only heavy weight hanging could impact that. I've read 44lbs is the average needed to break through they collegen barrier. Microderm can't reach that internal layer.

On a side note
In theory microderm would speed up foreskin restoration, no I've not tried it, but it would work. This is something a restorer could use.

ps
I feel like a total nerd now

[TheAnimal220 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TheAnimal220]

Thanks for the great read.

I have no real interest in gaining more length, but I'm very interested if and/or how this could be applied to girth gaining as well as the correction of Peyronies. I myself have had a slight bend and torqueing towards the right, and with a very modest girth gain is has become a little bit more apparent.

I have not yet read the TGC thread, but then tunica stretching would seem to be a major player for girth gains as well, would it not? Or at the very least have a possible corrective effect of the bend...

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Great post- and excellent gains!

[colorblind72 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close colorblind72]

What do you think about tunica stretching via clamping?
Does this happen? And if it does, as you take a break after 15 minutes, do you think you should rest or you should jelq or stretch?

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Thanks for the great read.

I have no real interest in gaining more length, but I'm very interested if and/or how this could be applied to girth gaining as well as the correction of Peyronies. I myself have had a slight bend and torqueing towards the right, and with a very modest girth gain is has become a little bit more apparent.

I have not yet read the TGC thread, but then tunica stretching would seem to be a major player for girth gains as well, would it not? Or at the very least have a possible corrective effect of the bend...

Thanks for the kind words Yes I posted a bit about Peyronies a bit earlier in this thread and it is generally seen as a tunica problem due to collagen formation irregularities. I likened it to having the ponytail cut unevenly at the tips. So if you tried to align the uneven strands of 'hair' against a flat surface you would naturally get a bend in the rest of the ponytail. This is why extenders and hanging help to correct this. The amount of force being applied to the inner bend side of the wang is greater than to the outer bend side. Over time, the reformation of collagen, responding to this tension over time, follows the pattern of the outer bend side and you get a straight wang.

Hangers and extenders often report girth gains. The same goes for people engaging in manual routines. Imagine that there is an eliptical void within your ponytail. This is the corpus cavernosum. As you apply tension over time, the cavernosum becomes stretched longitudinally. This eventually results in greater potential volume in the cavernosum and restructuring of collagen fibres. Thus, as the tunica are capable of expanding outward as well as lengthways, we see increases in girth over whatever period of time it takes to restructure that tunica.

Best of luck with your endeavours and thanks for posting!

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Great post- and excellent gains!

Thanks Big Al...your encouragement means a lot. Much appreciated

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

What do you think about tunica stretching via clamping?
Does this happen? And if it does, as you take a break after 15 minutes, do you think you should rest or you should jelq or stretch?

Good questions mate. Essentially, you are talking about longitudinal force applied to the tunica vs outward expansionary force being applied on the tunica from filling of the corpus cavernousm with blood. Both are working the tunica. In the case of people with densely bundled collagen fibres in the tunica (like me), clamping can often be tough going in terms of gains. I have been clamping for a very long time. I have seen only 0.1" of gain in MSEG. Now for someone with 'regular' collagen formation in the tunica, clamping provides enough force to force the tunica outward and promote new formations. For hard gainers, stretching longitudinally seems to be the way forward for gaining girth through their length exercises. Why? Because by stretching, you are creating a larger volume for blood within the corpus cavernosum as the tunica reforms with new collagen fibre production over time. The increased volume and longer fibres would tend to suggest greater ability to expand the girth of the wang in the erect state. You still may be able to do it through clamping but I have not been able to.

Your third question: It is just my belief that you should keep blood flowing to the wang after a 15 minute set. Whatever you were doing to work the tunica in your previous set, I believe that you should then work the tunica from a different angle i.e. force must be applied to the tunica in a different way as the science tends to support that this helps to 'reset' mechanical force receptors in the tunica by way of fibroblast signalling.

If you have a routine with 3 x sets of A and 3 x sets of B, each taking 15 mins, the research tends to suggest that rather than just doing your A exercises back to back, you should do A, B, A, B, A, B. As long as they are working the tunica with different force angles for 15 minutes at a time, it should maximise benefits.

Best of luck and thanks so much for posting. Highly appreciated

[colorblind72 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close colorblind72]

Ok, to follow up.
You pointed to the TGC theory.
Which I have been working from too.
I have at least a half inch difference in my BPEL and my BPFSL.
So I have been targeting smooth muscle via clamping.
The thing here is that based on that theory I have had at least one success is that my EQ has gotten much better.
Before this I had been doing ADS with some success but much greater success in my flacid stretch than my erect length.
In the TGC theory it suggests if you are aiming at smooth muscle 70% work on that and the other 30% for the tunica. I'm assuming your work is the reverse since you are aiming at the tunica.
The last thing I read tonight was about cooling down in the expanded state.
Whether stretched or clamped.
The idea that warm up loosens our collegian that we should basically snap cool our penis in its stretched state thus freezing for lack of a better word, the collegian in its lengthened state.
Have you discussed this with your expert?
These suggestions were based on two studies.
One on rats tails, mostly collegian and one on human ligaments.
They found that warm up was necessary for the stretch and cool down necessary to keep the gain.
Thanks for posting.
This is a very helpful line of investigation.

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Ok, to follow up.
You pointed to the TGC theory.
Which I have been working from too.
I have at least a half inch difference in my BPEL and my BPFSL.
So I have been targeting smooth muscle via clamping.
The thing here is that based on that theory I have had at least one success is that my EQ has gotten much better.
Before this I had been doing ADS with some success but much greater success in my flacid stretch than my erect length.
In the TGC theory it suggests if you are aiming at smooth muscle 70% work on that and the other 30% for the tunica. I'm assuming your work is the reverse since you are aiming at the tunica.
The last thing I read tonight was about cooling down in the expanded state.
Whether stretched or clamped.
The idea that warm up loosens our collegian that we should basically snap cool our penis in its stretched state thus freezing for lack of a better word, the collegian in its lengthened state.
Have you discussed this with your expert?
These suggestions were based on two studies.
One on rats tails, mostly collegian and one on human ligaments.
They found that warm up was necessary for the stretch and cool down necessary to keep the gain.
Thanks for posting.
This is a very helpful line of investigation.

Thanks again.

Your approach to training is sound based on TGC theory. The improved EQ from clamping is an expected benefit as you are regularly filling the corpus cavernosum with more blood than it would normally accommodate. Also, you are pumping more blood through the venous system in general. Good results! ADS does tend to give improved BPFSL before anything else. Our collective knowledge on these forums shows that increases in BPFSL to TEND to signal forthcoming gains in BPEL.

Yes, I am doing mostly tunica work with some smooth muscle work based on TGC theory. The warming down as opposed to cooling down approach does tend to divide opinion. I know of the studies and they are sound. However, collagen integrity softens when subjected to heat. Heat causes expansion and cold causes contraction as we know. My warm down involves 5-10 minutes with my wang under a shower head with warm water. I do some final manual stretching during this time. I apply traction wrapping immediately afterwards. I tend to think that this final warmdown MAY work a few final collagen fibres; this might give me an extra mm or two when I traction wrap.

One of the key principles of gaining BPFSL and BPEL is to keep your wang in the elongated state for as long as possible after training to allow blood to flow into the area and with it, the components required for new collagen formation. Broken down collagen become signalling peptides telling the body to send reinforcements to rebuild the walls...so to speak. The cold approach may also work but I think that as long as you are promoting blood flow into the wang through whatever means after training, you are giving yourself the best chance to grow.

I haven't discussed this with my friend. I do know from very hard physical training over many years in my younger days, a hot shower after training that often involved constantly trying to increase flexibility never inhibited what I was trying to achieve and I was equally, if not more flexible over time using this approach (just making reference to the study on human ligaments).

I think that the key components for growth are simply to prepare the collagen for expansion and restructure (warm up), subject it to force in a particular way based on whether you believe that you have a 'regular' or 'dense' ponytail and encourage your collagen strands to set and repair in the elongated state through constant blood flow and/or use of an ADS. As collagen can take quite some time to repair and rebuild, I am not sure that subjecting it to cold for a few minutes sets it as much as we might think...but I could be wrong. It could promote something with stretched fibres but would have no effect on broken ones that need repair into longer fibres.

Excellent thoughts on this and appreciate the contribution. The more we question, the more we investigate, the more that we discover (or at least theorise) and eventually...the more that we know!

[habban Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close habban]

Really good read. This sounds like what the SRT routine is built on back at "*************", but with a deeper vision.

You should go read it. SRT is built to grow your penis in the fastest way possible. What SRT relies on is that the penis should heal/rest in an elongated state.

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Thanks so much for that. I will read about SRT and see what kind of information it is based on. I think that generally, most of the sound routines and theories are all based on the same principles and they have been proven to work. I am just hoping that explanation of tough tunica established through higher than average collagen bundles (or strands) gives a bit of a way forward for tough gainers like me.

Ultimately, my experimentation on myself will show whether the theory stands up or not.

[TheAnimal220 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TheAnimal220]

I would like to try out some of these theories, but I am a little worried about too much length gain (sounds stupid, right?). A quarter inch or something would be fine, but I know from 4-5 months of manual jelqing that I gained over half an inch in length while taking it easy. So doing alot of length work (such as hanging) to stretch the tunica might give me alot of unwanted length gains in the chase after more girth...

I have decided I will throw in some flaccid bends in the warm up and in between clamping sets.

I've read the first 15 pages of the TGC thread, but it seems that it is dead.

[habban Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close habban]

I would like to try out some of these theories, but I am a little worried about too much length gain (sounds stupid, right?). A quarter inch or something would be fine, but I know from 4-5 months of manual jelqing that I gained over half an inch in length while taking it easy. So doing alot of length work (such as hanging) to stretch the tunica might give me alot of unwanted length gains in the chase after more girth...

I have decided I will throw in some flaccid bends in the warm up and in between clamping sets.

I've read the first 15 pages of the TGC thread, but it seems that it is dead.

You should go with girth exercises only then, to be on the safe side

[colorblind72 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close colorblind72]

I do traction wrap after my sessions and a warm down in the shower.
Will try the cool down for a few weeks and see if there is any difference.
Do you have a time on how long it takes collagen to heal?
What do you think of stretching while clamped.
Do you think that with the expansion of the tunica then pulling it longer will increase the stretch for permanent gains.
I have had no injury doing this so I'm not worried about that.