My PE Log

[upuratinario Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close upuratinario]

About the legs part:
- i myself have a terrible habbit of crossing my legs at the office, even in bed, when I eat, whenever. I also have my legs very close one to another. One day when I did that frog-like stretch with a pillow under the back and sit like that for 10 minutes, when i started walking, I felt so much distance between the legs. Sadly didn't pursue this after, because I forgot about it. Since 2 days i started correcting my posture at the desk. Shoulder blades not rounded anymore and back straight. Feet wide apart and soles in front of the knees compares to behind how i used to keep them. 6 out of 10 when I breathe I can feel that diaphragmatic piston.

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

About the legs part:
- i myself have a terrible habbit of crossing my legs at the office, even in bed, when I eat, whenever. I also have my legs very close one to another. One day when I did that frog-like stretch with a pillow under the back and sit like that for 10 minutes, when i started walking, I felt so much distance between the legs. Sadly didn't pursue this after, because I forgot about it. Since 2 days i started correcting my posture at the desk. Shoulder blades not rounded anymore and back straight. Feet wide apart and soles in front of the knees compares to behind how i used to keep them. 6 out of 10 when I breathe I can feel that diaphragmatic piston.

Sounds like a legitimate thing to consider doesn't it. I wonder how many of us have this issue.

[TheOnionSpiral Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TheOnionSpiral]

Hi ACPreE, I’m very new to this forum although I’ve had PE for probably 4 years now (I’m 22). I have two questions:

1. This thread says “ NOTE: You shouldn’t do a reverse kegel only routine indefinitely this could cause a weakening of the pelvic floor muscles that could make it difficult to cum or even maintain an erection”. I don't see you do a normal kegel routine anywhere. Is your PF really weakened?

https://www.pegym.com/forums/premature-ejaculation-forum/42035-confusion-reverse-kegels.html

2. Just like above, I find myself unable to maintain an erection if I dont contract my PC/BC muscle. If your PF is so relaxed during sex, how do you manage to keep yourself hard?

[upuratinario Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close upuratinario]

I also asked him the same question, he doesn't do a kegel routine, but he doesn't do a RK routine either if you read carefully. He sometimes maintains a smal small RK, that's basically keeping a small portion of air in your diaphragm and somehow pushing down when you breathe with your abs. He also does some abs workout.
If you feel your RK sore or unable to keep an erection, then maybe the PF is not the culprit in your case, but maybe something else like mental aspects, can't control arousal, etc.

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

Hi ACPreE, I’m very new to this forum although I’ve had PE for probably 4 years now (I’m 22). I have two questions:

1. This thread says “ NOTE: You shouldn’t do a reverse kegel only routine indefinitely this could cause a weakening of the pelvic floor muscles that could make it difficult to cum or even maintain an erection”. I don't see you do a normal kegel routine anywhere. Is your PF really weakened?

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...se-kegels.html

2. Just like above, I find myself unable to maintain an erection if I dont contract my PC/BC muscle. If your PF is so relaxed during sex, how do you manage to keep yourself hard?

Hey there welcome aboard

1. So to clarify, i know my log doesn't show everything before and during but only the highlights I remembered to write down. I always held a slight kegel 24/7, this made my PF very tight and high. This made my PC muscle very strong and the only way i had been dealing with my PreE is to Kegel hold at the PONR to get past it without ejaculating. That was what i did before i learned it was a MMO technique. Before I found this website I only read sites saying to do kegels so i had done a kegel routine for about 2-3 weeks. Then when i found this site I stopped all kegels and started a 100% RK routine as I knew my kegels were pretty well off to start with.

But yes i did do a RK routine throughout the whole recovery along with stretching but it wasn't until the addition of the workout and then holding a slight RK all day long that really flipped the switch. It was at that point i could feel my body starting to default the PF tension into more of a relaxed state and less of a constant tension.

I don't have a reduction in my EQ, it stays about the same because i think i stopped at a good point where i'm loose and relaxed but not weak. Now I just do maintanence with a workout, stretch occasionally and slight RK all day to reinforce relaxing. I don't have issues staying hard because not having to worry so much about the PONR allows me to stay aroused by other ways instead of direct penetration. I'm able to squeeze rub slap and other things to keep myself turned on the whole time. And she loves it too.

Its not just about RKing to last forever but to balance and have the control to last but also the control to finish. The relaxed PF and slight RK helps to last and the Kegel helps to finish. Balance both but make sure to retrain your PF to not be tensed up 24/7 but only when it needs to be (heavy lifting and such)

Hope this answered your questions

[venom888 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close venom888]

Thanks for sticking around and answering questions AC

I had a question about the tennis ball massage you might be able to help with, but I posted in the sticky, and I think updates in the stickies don't get noticed as easily - https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...ulation-2.html


I'm working on my abs again, as I found out I not only have APT but also flared rib cage due to weak abs. I haven't tried the ab exercises in the video you posted, but they look too advanced for me. I find that ab exercises I find anywhere online are generally far more advanced than I can manage without straining my lower back (or just not being able to do it at all). So I'd recommend that anyone who finds it hard to do those exercises with proper form and activation to do more basic stuff until they can work their way up.

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

I've been sitting on a tennis ball about every other day for a couple weeks now. Can only do maybe 5 mins at a time before it's too sore. You say to go all the way to where your shaft enters your body, but this is basically up behind your balls. This area is a lot more spongey soft and definitely feels like there's a lot of stuff in there. I'm afraid of damaging something - is it known to be safe?

I swear my IKs feel like they originate from the tip of my penis, but I'm not sure that's actually possible.

I would put it in that squishy area where on a woman would be her birthing canal in the pelvis. Guys have one too just not for birthing. But that spot under the balls and back until you hit your sit bones is where i would use the tennis ball. Sometimes moving pressure to the sides and forward back. I would sit on it for 30mins to and from work and lift up off of it and do a RK to relieve some of the pressure when it got too much. This did make me sore from time to time but after a little break it was ok. Really could feel the stretch and the loosening from this as well. Just make sure to couple it with some RKs to decompress the pushed in part of the PF.

Well as for the workout i posted, you dont have to keep up with them, just do what you can. If the jumping part is too much, skip it and work up to it. Granted this is only part of like a 12 dvd set so it isn't meant to be much more then core/abs. For that purpose its perfect for hitting the right spots for around the pelvis area front and back.

Your IKs originating from the Penis head is not surprising at all. Its only like one of the most sensitive parts of the penis. It is sensitive and sends a shock down the shaft to tighten the PC muscle. That is a IK. The tightening of the PC causes PONR to be closer. You can work on helping desensitization as some suggest or retrain the body to disconnect pleasure to the tightening of the PF. That way you can keep the sensation and gain stamina.

[venom888 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close venom888]

When using the tennis ball I wasn't sure if I should go off to the sides any because I was concerned I might weaken the IC muscles, per this image https://joshuagonzalezmd.com/wp-cont...s-Muscles-.jpg
I thought that might cause lowering of EQ without improving PreE


If I pee while sitting on the toilet I get an IK that seems to come from the head of my penis -- that's what confused me. Not really a sensitivity thing in that regard. There's also not muscle in the head I didn't think, at least according to pics (although I can RK in about three different spots and one of them sure feels like the head).

Just some random thoughts. Can't believe there's no scientific study of this stuff.

[Anklepain Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Anklepain]

Log Entry: 10/6/2019
Well its looking like I can successfully say i have beaten my PreE.
Last night had sex and once again lasted 20-30mins of penetration. There is little to no struggle anymore. My PF stays relaxed and even when I'm pounding away with 100% EQ, I don't even come close to the PONR. I actually had to stop before I could finish out of sheer exhaustion. We fell asleep for a couple hours and went back at it some more.


If anyone has any questions for me, please let me know. I don't mind helping anyone that maybe struggling or stuck. The bottom line is to anyone who has read my logs. Its not easy, its not fast and you will have ups and downs. This process has really given me a huge opportunity to learn myself and the complex world of PreE.

I have tried a lot of things and if i could narrow down the shortest path to recovery for my body would have been:
- Hindi Squat/ Stretch until I can RK.
- Keep stretching and RK until very proficient.
- Hold a 10%RK all day and retrain the PF to stay loose.
- Practice Deep breathing to calm anxiety.
- Workout Core/Abs with the workout video link i posted. (I dont get any kickbacks, its just the workout that seemed to help the most.)

How to complete these different areas could include:
Edging - To better identify your arousal levels and to practice relaxing techniques. (don't feel like it helped my recovery more then a learning tool)

Everything else is on you. I tried some gland squeezes (didn't work), I tried ballooning some (overwhelming sensation but didn't do it long enough to see results), TP band stretching (Nothing) and I maybe forgetting some more.

Log End

P.s. I'll still be around, PM me.

Holyshit, you are cured!!! Contractulation!!!

One thing I still understand, how can you feel pelvic floor is loose? I can do RK but I dont know when my pelvic floor is tight and when it is loose.

[Anklepain Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Anklepain]

"-Hold a 10%RK all day and retrain the PF to stay loose."

This is very good information. I like this! The guy like me who overdo everything need these kind of advices. I was trying 100% RK all the time and get bored and angry because it is almost impossible.

[Anklepain Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Anklepain]

"-Hold a 10%RK all day and retrain the PF to stay loose."

Haha, this is so easy! I hope this is the key for me. The guy like me have the way of thinking "its all or nothing!" gets bored and frustrated easily if can not do things 100% correctly. Thanks for adding that "10%" to this information.

From now on I suggest that "light RK" is banned word. 10%RK is the word we use from now.

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

Haha glad i could be of help.
The 10% part was mostly just to remain relaxed. Before I even heard of RKs i only had 2 feelings, tense or flexed. With learning RKs its given me another level of feeling we should have and that is relaxed. That is where that 10% feeling is supposed to come from. To remind me to relax.

But disclaimer, the 10% feeling works for me but may not for you, I still go for the big RKs from time to time too to make sure i'm stretched and loose. A big part of fixing it has to do with a handful of pieces combined but most importantly the ab/core work id say.

what i mean when i say loose, i mean flexible. Like i was saying before what i thought was relaxed was actually tense. Now that i know how to relax its easy to relax and know if you are flexible and loose or tight and tense.

[Pelvis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pelvis]

Hi ACPreE and others
Again congrats on your efforts and determination to succeed. I’m another one of these warriors trying to change/adapt but I’m just at the beginning hence I’m pinging you for thoughts. See https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...-thoughts.html
Anyway a couple of questions if ok

Most people on the forum mention APT but I’m the other way PPT plus I’ve got disc herniations l4-l5 and l5-s1 with painful SI joints! Anyone know if Hindi squats are ok for PPT and my back trouble.
Regarding RK’s -if I try 10-20% percent force I’m ok but anymore and I get pain in back/sacrum.
Basically my Pre E has built up over 4 -5 years getting steadily worse but it’s all correlating with my body change /posture issues etc I feel.
Anyone give me any advice / had similar problem and resolved it. I used to be normal enough I’d say 5 minutes or so maybe a bit more but know I can only lie on my back - if I tried missionary I’d be lucky to get 30 secs
Thanks for any insights

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

Hi Pelvis,

I went through your thread and thought i remembered posting. ATP and PPT are both just as bad. Its posture and muscle imbalances that need to be fixed that will probably be one of your hardest issues.

The keeping the PF Relaxed all day wouldn't be accessible to me just starting out. I had to unlock my PF with stretching and RK work before i could feel my PF be relaxed. I think Pegasus had it right about seeing if your cyro could suggest things for you to do safely to balance your pelvis.

Hindi Squats are for stretching your PF and are more effective if you have a good posture while doing them.

The only thing i can suggest is to work on fixing the imbalances and when your pelvis is back in line, see if symptoms have improved. Stretching and RK safely and when possible.

[Pelvis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pelvis]

Thanks so much for the input.