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Could someone please help and try and explain, describe to me what a relaxed PF is when edging, mainly on your back?

How to position yourself and where to put pressure or not on your PF, your back or abs ?
How should you breath ? should you do a deep belly breath or a semi with a light expansion of the PF or a hard ?
Should your body be totally relaxed with that kind of feeling where you are letting yourself just be a dead weight while breathing deeply ?

I'm trying to figure out because after the last few edging sessions, i've been experimenting a few things with how i'm positioning myself and i'm trying to keep my back flat, PF expanded in a light RK and then when i'm getting near the PONR, i'm doing a hard RK.

When I relax my whole body and just let if be as it wants while breathing slowly I get to PONR very VERY quickly, i've got the feeling that on my inhale my PF is expanding out but on the exhale I just let everything slowly relax and my PF deflates and then pulls upwards like a light kegel and i can feel the arousel and loss of control.

I'm trying to visualise how my PF should be ? After all the stretching i know my PF is not tensed throughout the day because my balls are hanging down and lose most of the time (I don't actually know is this is a sign of having a relaxed PF lol) and i can do RKs quite easily, but while edging i can feel my PF tensing up over time, and once it is tensed up it's really hard to get it untensed, will praticing RK while edging get it over time more relaxed ?

Oh another thing, my EQ is 11/10 so that might be why the PF is so tense... like so hard i can't really move my dick up or down... but that should be a good thing having a EQ 11/10 or am i thinking wrong ?

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So a little bit of a update on my edging sessions. I have edge 5 time since the last time i came. This is the first time i have edge this many times before coming. So i thought it might be best to come because i dont want to get blue balls haha.

A few things to note...
I edge alterning between hand and FL ... with my hand I could roughly control myself and when i did approche the PONR i would stop and relax sometimes i would stretch in frog stretch.

With the FL it is still very difficult to control after 10/15 strokes i can feel the IK and would try to counter them with strong RKs

When i reach the PONR I stop edging and ballon my gland, trying to resist the temptation of coming while keeping the excited sensation. By doing this the sensation is very extreme and difficult to control.

After each edging session when I dont cum I find that my PF is very relaxed.

But when i did come after not coming for 5 sessions it was violent... my PF twitched like mad and the IKs was very strong and then after my PF was very tight. Is this because i hadnt cum after multiple times edging ?

Is this good or am I putting my PF through to much stress by waiting so long before coming?, should I limite the number of times I dont cum? I was thinking that as my PF was very loose after edging that that would be a good thing but if when I do cum my PF becomes really tight would I offset the balance ? I had to stretch like mad to get it loose again and could even feel my PF sore for the 24 hours.

[xander19 Member Find all posts View Profile Close xander19]

^You can try and see how it feels coming more often. My urologist told me that its healthy and that I should try to atleast have sex or masturbate every few days. I tried that "No nut November" which got me to visit him because my prostate was hurting from not doing it, so yeah, it may not be wise for some people to hold it in for so long.

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^You can try and see how it feels coming more often. My urologist told me that its healthy and that I should try to atleast have sex or masturbate every few days. I tried that "No nut November" which got me to visit him because my prostate was hurting from not doing it, so yeah, it may not be wise for some people to hold it in for so long.

I fully agree with xander19. Frequency of ejaculation should be your personal choice depending on your refractory period. If you have a very short refractory period then cumming multiple times a day is also ok. In your case you are edging as part of your stamina training and want to recondition your brain's ejaculatory reflex. Right? I am not sure about the neurotransmitter bit. But if you edge for long enough then there is no harm ejaculating after each session. If the edging session is very short and somehow you can hold ejaculation, then you can ejaculate every 3rd day. But you should not delay more than that. Ejaculating at least 2-3 times every week is a good practice for prostate health. We are men after all. We are here to spread semen as much and as often. LOL.

So experiment with it. Try long edging and then ejaculate after every session for a few days. Notice how your PF feels. Then try ejaculating every other day and again check how your PF does. Then take decision. Still I believe ejaculation frequency is the least important factor in this PreE game.

When your PF gets very tight, you may try light rk or light rk hold instead of hard stretches or hard rks. Sometimes light rks can do wonder.

By the way, I find that just a 1 week ago you could do only 5 thrusts in fleshlight. Now it's 15 thrusts. It's quite an improvement. Congratulations! Cheer up, man!

Thank you. Take care.

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Normally i could never really go 2 3 max sessions because i was weak minded lol and i would make up excuses, so it's a first for me that i had that many sessions before cuming... but i don't think i'll wait that long again, it didn't seem good as my PF as it hurt for a good 24h after...

But i do like the sensation of edging and not coming because I feel all relaxed with no tension in my PF...

I didn't edge yersterday but today i did and even though it's not a big progress but i could go to 20 strokes with the FL instead of the usual 8/15 strokes, I edged with hand and FL for about 15mins and left it at that... if I can add 5 strokes without stopping every week that would be great and make it my mission ;-)

I read an interesting text by a Belge professionnel about how you have to keep your arsouel in check, because as you get more and more excited the muscles start to contract more and more and once you have touched that PONR it's too late to do anything (except training to MMO but that's another story) and even though all of this has already been explained onsite it did help me renforce view points that i had read onsite and maybe forgot.
Basically you have to find those trigger points that make your arsouel go up the scales and try and counter them, with breathing, mind set muscle position and tension, RKs etc ... all things already written on here

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I had sex 2 days in a row and i think that i have done and pushed my RKs too much... i couldnt get it up totally... and once it was up a little bit or enough for penetration I came in 30 secs ...

I think the main reason why I couldn't get it up was because of the nerves ... I was too focused on making sure that my level of arrousel was not too high but that kind of backfired. Seeing also the frustration that the wife had on her face made it even worst ...
Once i could get it up enough (which wasn't very much) for PIV I jumped straight to the PONR and came in 30 seconds. In my head I wanted to stop and regain control but doing that I think would of made matters worst for the frustration of my wife and mine.

The whole situation is quite frustrating should I start incorporating some Kegels or should I try and just train de IC muscle ?

From what I gather from the site, I can isolate this muscle and I was thinking of maybe trying to train it by first doing a RK and while I am holding it, I can just move the IC muscle ever so lightly up and down, and that would be like starting a kegel but only engaging 1 muscle and not the others ?
By doing this I expect in theory that I can train this muscle to be strong while relaxing the BC and PC muscle and that means I can control the level that my PF contracts while still having a good erection.

Or should I continue doing RKs and my erection will adapte by itself after a while ?

When I edge it takes a couple of minutes of stimulation to get an erection and once I do get it it stays strong. But doing RKs with the IC muscle involved while erect is very difficult. I ve got the feeling that if I just continue as I am everything might fall into place by it's own accord.

Reading and being on this forum is great but sometimes I think learning and being aware of all these things and how things work can sometimes be counter productive and play with your head and make you think of things that you never knew existed for exemple I never though that I would not be able to get it up but reading that some people have this trouble makes me think ah this could happen to me and then it does.. as we say ignorance is bliss.

Well too late now haha I'll just push through it and it will be worth it !

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

Think of a teeter todder. Your PF is imbalanced now a tad on the weak side. You need to incorporate some kegels and get it back balanced. Then you need to learn how to put the flexibility of the PF to use during sex.

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Think of a teeter todder. Your PF is imbalanced now a tad on the weak side. You need to incorporate some kegels and get it back balanced. Then you need to learn how to put the flexibility of the PF to use during sex.

Thanks for confirming 👍 Yes that was the conclusion that I came too, I ll just have to be careful not to overdo the kegels and make sure that I continue doing RKs... once I get it balanced I will just have to keep practicing to get it working in sex and then it's a home run and all the work will be worth it. 😉

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So i've been planning to really up my game on edging. The stretching and core/Glute workout i've got covered but i never really stuck to edging. So i've based my plan on. and i based it on ammonite post on edging.
https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...tml#post796057




5 stages of edging
1. Eliminating IK
2. Arousel control and IK
3. Aim for plateau
4. Progress in plateau
5. Wave, full body, Do and MMO




1. Eliminating IK


1. 23/11/2020 : edged 20 mins... 5 mins hand. And then 15 mins with FL managed to do 80 strokes with lots of IK . I only took the FL off to add more lube. Tried to take my arsouel down with RK.


2. 27/11/2020 : edged 20 mins. Warmed myself up and then used hand for a few mins and then did 100 strokes with FL. Still lots of RKs. I was concentrating on my breathing and RKs.


3. 30/11/2020 : edged 20 mins... start with my hand and for the last 16 minutes I used the FL and did 100 strokes. After every stroke i would prepare and relax myself. Between every 2 or 3 strokes i would do rks to control my arousel and twice I had to stop and take off the FL and do a few RKs standing up to really get my arousel down.
This time I really tried to concentrate on my PF to feel all the movements contractions one thing i could feel was each time I slide the FL down i would feel my PF like brace itself for the feeling and when I slide it up it would brace aswell but with a going up movement with the FL. I guess that I will have to limite and get used to it.
When i concentrate on my PF its more sensitive and the arousel goes up quicker but when i take my mind off it i can control it better. came at the end of the session but once i had finished my 20mins of control... i just let myself go and feel the what happens coming. I could feel the build up like the moment before parachuting and the you let yourself go during the free fall lol.


4. 01/12/2020: 20 mins edging and a surprising better result but with a EQ round 7 so not a great EQ but that might be because my PF is adapting.
I started by hand to get erect and then started with lube until 4 mins and then with the FL. I was able to do 170 strokes in the last 16mins... much better than last time. Sometimes i would focus on my PF and go very slow and other times i would be a little bit faster (every 2/3secs) in general i was on a scale 7, i hope to be able to bring that down with a stronger EQ, I could feel that the arousel could shoot up to 9.9 but with light Rks and also trying to hold a light RK with my PF in a more PPT position i could roughly hold on.
Recently i have changed my way of my deep belly breathing style by doing a Ujjayi victorious breath, I have the impression that it opens my PF so much easier and once it's open i do a light peeing movement... I dont know if this is helping or not but i've got the impression..
In any case i have alot more control on my PF and i think it is the core and glute training i'm doing.


5. 03/12/2020 : 20 mins edging, I was able to again do about 160 strokes but my EQ was still round 7/8 I suppose that it will sort it self out as i go along and get used to not inconcioulsy kegeling. started out with hand and lube and after 4mins started with FL, this time what i would do is 20 strokes at a slow pace and 10 strokes really really slow sliding the FL down 1 cm at a time to really feel and concentrate on the feeling, these 10 strokes were very hard because when i slide it down at a slow pace, you can't feel everything but when you do it reallllly slow it's totally different and you can really feel the IKs coming and going, and my PF bracing against the downward and upward stroke.
But one thing which is good is that i'm no longer exploding after 10 strokes.

Conclusion after 5 sessions :
My arousel is still round 7 when i'm edging, but i can feel that it can explode at anytime, what i can't do yet is bring the scale down to lets say 5, and i can't go up the scales slowly, I just go straight to 7 and either it goes straight to 9.9 or I can keep it at 7, is this some sort of Plateau ? if it is it's a very thin line between bust and bust...
I have been only edging on my back and when i can eliminate IKs i'll try in different positions. I have also started doing some light Kegels in my routine but like on a 20 : 80 ratio, to try and start being able to control my arousel scales.

All in all i can at last see some progress... but i haven't tried it in sex... I'll come back and report back after the next 5 sessions

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6. 04/12/2020 : 20 mins. 150 strokes. For every 20 strokes I would do 10 very very slow ones which were very hard to control... Still cant control the IKs and i ejaculated at the end.


7. 07/12/2020 : 20 mins edging it was a little bit harder to control and did 120 strokes with the FL. I also added every 20 strokes 10 stokes very slow. this session was harder to control maybe because I didnt stretch this weekend i want to give my muscles a rest.
I still have the bracing Ik and i couldnt get my arousel down it would either stay at 7 or go straight up to 9.9 no ejaculation.


8. 08/12/2020 : 20mins, 120 strokes. This time I got arouseled by just looking at a few porn images but just to get an erection. My erection was really hard... much harder than my other sessions which stayed round 7/8. I noticed that it was much much harder to control and i was already at 9.9 after 2 mins of edging just with my hand. I had to go down in a hindi squat and RK to be able to control my arsouel. Then i used my FL and did my usual strokes slow and trying to illiminate IKs... no ejaculation.


9. 15/12/2020 : 15 mins, 100 strokes with FL and ejaculated. Again i looked at a few images to get arouseled and i can confirm that it doesn't help at all... I had tons of IK just stroking with my hand and lube. I had to do alot of hindi deep breathing to get a little bit control before using my FL. It might also be dued to not doing my daily stretches as i usually do instead i would just do a few stretches the morning for 10 15 mins... i didnt really have time to do them the last week. but it might also be dued to the fact that the last times i edged i didnt ejaculate and i also hadnt edged since 7 days. I don't know.

10. 17/12/2020 : 20mins 100 strokes with FL, no ejaculation. This time I got an erection just by playing with myself, as i could see the last 2 times, even just looking at hot pics to get arouseled is not the way to go.
Again this time the IK were everywhere and very hard to control, so their is no real progress from the last 5 sessions.

Shouldn't once the PF is relaxed, the ik should go away or at least not be a real problem for stamina ? I think the main problem that i have is that my gland is too sensitive, if i'm just stroking the shaft without going to the glan it's pretty easy to control, but once i touch if stroke i get that ik, but as the logic goes, by relaxing the pf you should be able to control the iks maybe i am still not doing RKs right... frustrating all this ? sometime i think i'm more sensitive than when i started trying to control all this pffff...

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I was orignally coming on here to have a massive RANT (i'm still going to RANT because it might make me feel better haha) because this shit is pissing the hell out of me after a year of stretching and RK nearly everyday and then since august stretching twice a day morning and night 30mins and also at night with glutes and abs workout, i've got the impresssion that I've gotten nowhere and i believe that my control has gotten even less than when i started out !!!! I mean for fuck sake it's not like I have not done my homework, tried lots of things, and by trying i mean trying things for months at a time not just the odd week and then saying fuck it it's not working, ok i don't edge as much i should but it is still (2/3 times a week) but i don't really have time and i live in a 2 bedroom flat with the wife and child so i can only edge between lunch time which is a pain in the ass because it still has to be quick and i can't take my time before i go back to work! The wife is no longer interessed in sex because it's just as much as a frustration for her as for me which is totally normal and understanding, our relationship out of the bedroom is great so it's not like that is a problem.
Even with the FL no stress nothing to pressure me into not coming quick i can barely hold on ! Today i did a session for 20 mins to do 60 strokes (last week it was easier but now it's harder) after 60 strokes i said why don't i try in missionary postion with the FL between the pillows, et bam i penetrate the FL ONCE and it's over nothing worked to hold the ejaculation back and then i just said to myself one year of exercises, 1000s of hours for 1 pump and finish! FUCK me ! that sent me into a fury of insulting myself in front of the mirror for 10 min or so minutes ! well writing that it, it is quite comical !

I just don't know what i'm doing wrong or what i can do to get it right.

Well the rants over and i'm not giving up i just wanted to 'crache mon venom' ! I'm going to continue my trainning because i'm not giving up, i don't like losing !

Well start of the afternoon came and i said to myself i have to find something to give me an edge so i looked again where i am if there is a specialist in Pelvic floor for men because i only find them for women after pregnancy and wierldy enough i found someone by changing the way i asked, (live in france so they have different words for specialist PT) this guy specialises in sexologue kinetherapy so he helps people specially for PreP and other ED problems but also with a sexologue background knowlegde, he also does full tests with biofeedback to find exactly where the problem / reflex is coming from etc and then give me a plan to fight it... he sold himself well on his site and the reviews are good on google so i've got an appointement the 14 january and we'll see from their !

Well that felt good ! Thanks !