My Progress Log

[PhilipKDick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PhilipKDick]

If this is the wrong place to post a progress log, please point me in the right direction.
I won't go into my full backstory here because I have a lot to write, but maybe I'll go into it at a later date.

I have a serious pre-E problem. I can currently edge with a warm fleshlight and warm lube for as long as I want to, provided I keep arousing thoughts out of my mind. Today I move to the next stage and bring those thoughts into the game, imagining sex while I'm edging. If I close my eyes and concentrate then it's basically like stop & start sex, without the risks (ejaculating early with a woman) or consequences (humiliation, disappointing her). Crucial is being relaxed and letting myself go with it. Possibly even enjoying it. This is how I'm going to re-train my brain ready for the real thing.

Okay, this is it. This is the edging series that's going to deliver real change for me and my junk. I've read about others beating this stage so now it's my turn.

Results:
2 minutes, PONR
1 minute, PONR, ejaculation

Pretty pathetic first day, but that's exactly as expected. There's no indication that this is going to work, but I'll keep trying.

It's hard to know exactly what to visualise. I think the trick is to be as realistic as possible and keep a steady pace, not rush through a bunch of super-arousing positions and situations, like in porn.

In a way it's good that my imagination triggered PONR so easily. It means that it's an effective tool and can serve me well.


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The best thing about being sexually active again when I'm ready will be having my libido back (I miss that guy) and finally being free of these invasive sexual thoughts, every time I see an attractive girl in public. It's driving me nuts. I want to have confidence and to be completely in control of my responses to them. Being single for a long period gradually warps the mind and makes it objectify every girl it sees and then feel a sense of unfairness at not having her. Do single girls feel the same way about attractive men, I wonder...?

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

So your routine consists of only Edging?

[PhilipKDick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PhilipKDick]

<1 minute, PONR
<1 minute, PONR
switched to hand,
<1 minute, PONR
<1 minute, PONR
<1 minute, PONR
<1 minute, PONR
<1 minute, PONR

Feeling pretty despondent. I really don't know if this will work. There must be some way I can improve this situation without going straight into the edging and getting bad results again. Maybe next time I'll penetrate (imagination, of course) and then not move for a few moments, then take it very slow to begin with, not letting arousal rise too high, picking up speed later on if I can. It really is just like the real thing! I had no idea it would be this similar, after I made such seemingly significant progress with the physical-only edging. Obviously it was all for nothing.

Perhaps I can use my brain's gullibility to my advantage... I have some pau yuen tong in my cupboard. I'm thinking of using some next time because I know it works, edging with my imagination as before and 'tricking' my brain into thinking I can have sex without pre-E. Maybe repeat this two or three times and then edge again without it...

The worst thing is that I have to go and socialise with some female friends tomorrow. Right now I can't bare the thought of seeing their smiling, sexually contented faces while knowing what I'm like in bed. With male friends I don't really care because I'm sure they've all underperformed at one time or another and I think they would genuinely sympathise with me, but with the girls it's like there's a massive gulf between us that can never be crossed. They get their regular stimulation from their boyfriends and that's what a man in their eyes. I would just be a joke. ....Aargh my mind is spiralling. I have to keep working at this and find a way to improve. Tomorrow is a new day.

[PhilipKDick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PhilipKDick]

So your routine consists of only Edging?

I work out at the gym, trying to focus on the abs, pelvis and lower body. I do some pelvic stretches and hindi squats each day. Unfortunately I've had chronic problems with hemorrhoids, so RKs are a no and if I understand the situation correctly, regular kegels can worsen the problem if not balanced properly with RKs, so I don't do those either. The hemorrhoid threat makes the hindi squats pretty risky as well, but as you might be implying, I have to do something other than just edging!

The thing is I never feel any tightness in my pelvic floor and I don't get IKs, so the signs are that I don't have a problem with my pelvic floor. The problem is much more psychological than anything else.

I'm happy to hear suggestions!

[PhilipKDick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PhilipKDick]

So your routine consists of only Edging?

Oh and I'm also stretching my penis every day. That's mainly to prevent the peyronie's disease from worsening, but maybe it'll have some effect on the pre-E, eventually.

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UPDATE:
Last time, I was incorporating deep breathing into the edging and I think that might have been the reason that I performed so poorly.

I've noticed before that when my arousal rises to a certain level, I feel myself become short of breath and I have to take a deep breath. Shortly afterwards I arrive at PONR. There must be some connection between the deep breathing, the sensitie muscles in the pelvic floor and lower abdomen and arousal. In the next session I'll try not to breathe deeply. I know this goes against a lot of the standard advice but it will but useful to identify the relation.

I'll keep working on deep breathing exercises, abs and pelvic floor exercises outside of edging in order to strengthen myself and build resilience there. It ties into the theory that simply being fit and muscular helps in some way against pre-E, even if it's not the whole solution.

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2 minutes, PONR
1 minute, PONR
1 minute, PONR, ejaculation.

It's hard to call this progress. It's early on. I'm going to keep repeating this method for a while and see if I can gain some minutes. It doesn't help that I did some intensive sport yesterday and several parts of my body are in pain, including my legs, and it doesn't help that I masturbated to porn less than two weeks ago. I'm sure that porn, or PMO, is the main root of my problem and my mind hasn't had time to adapt yet. So, patience!

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21 minutes, PONR

21 minutes!!!!!!! INCREDIBLE! Mostly 8 - 8.5 arousal and erection level, rising to 9 towards the end. I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened them and looked at the clock. 21 minutes.... hoo boy. I have to grasp what worked for me there, cling the hell on to it and not let go!... Two things -

1) NO deep breathing. Keeping my breath in the top of my lungs. I'll need to improve the breathing eventually, but not yet. A few times I felt my arousal rising and the urge to take a deep breath, which would have immediately sent a signal to my groin (or maybe prostate, I don't quite understand the biology)
2) Going very slowly, sometimes stopping for two or three seconds but remaining inserted (fleshlight). Admittedly, it would have been pretty boring sex for a real partner. She would have dried up within the first few minutes, but I enjoyed it.

Being conscious of my arousal level, sometimes internally verbalising the number and telling myself to get it down by one, may also have helped, but it was mainly the two points above.

Consistently visualising sex with a realistic point of view is the whole point of this exercise. Sometimes my mind drifted away from the visualisation onto non-erotic thoughts and I had to pull it back again. That's the complete opposite of the physical-only edging I aim to get some kind of perfume scent to sniff during future sessions. I think this will help with the concentration and training the brain for the real thing.


21 minutes... wow...

[Slizzyman Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Slizzyman]

Get you some pau Yuen tong an enjoy yourself. It’s not going to cure you but it will delay ejaculation an give you the opportunity to enjoy sex

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@Slizzyman Mate I already have some and I fully intend to use it if I'm unlucky enough to get laid before the curse is lifted.

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23 minutes, no PONR.

Going very slowly, steady 8 - 8.5 erection & arousal throughout.

I've realised that I do get major IKs when edging on my back. My entire penis jerks and my butthole twinges. If that's not an involuntary kegel, I don't know what it is. I need to put more effort into the pelvic floor/extensors/abs/glutes exercises.

This is a confusing subject area because I didn't think that my pelvic floor was tight. I don't feel any tension there and when I do RKs I don't feel any release. Maybe if I keep working on it I'll eventually feel a 'drop' and then notice the difference. A bit like when an AC unit stops humming and you realise that you hadn't noticed it was humming. ...Is this right? Any comments?

For the last couple of days I've been sitting in chairs in a more pf-friendly way than before, according to the prevalent self-help advice. I now keep my feet flat on the floor and back straight, whereas previously I would either fold my legs under the chair or bring one foot up onto the chair and sit on it. As a result, I've felt an acheing in my lower back, hamstrings and knees. I'm guessing that pressure has been taken off of other areas and transferred here. Again, I didn't feel tension in my pf before and I still don't. Or maybe I have APT and it's something to do with that?

I wish there was just one area to focus on with pre-E, instead of all these possibilities

[ACPreE Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ACPreE]

This is a confusing subject area because I didn't think that my pelvic floor was tight. I don't feel any tension there and when I do RKs I don't feel any release. Maybe if I keep working on it I'll eventually feel a 'drop' and then notice the difference. A bit like when an AC unit stops humming and you realise that you hadn't noticed it was humming. ...Is this right? Any comments?

For the last couple of days I've been sitting in chairs in a more pf-friendly way than before, according to the prevalent self-help advice. I now keep my feet flat on the floor and back straight, whereas previously I would either fold my legs under the chair or bring one foot up onto the chair and sit on it. As a result, I've felt an acheing in my lower back, hamstrings and knees. I'm guessing that pressure has been taken off of other areas and transferred here. Again, I didn't feel tension in my pf before and I still don't. Or maybe I have APT and it's something to do with that?

I wish there was just one area to focus on with pre-E, instead of all these possibilities

That sounds about right. I had to work at stretching and RK for a bit before i could feel movement. Then after I got more movement and figured how RKs should feel and the amount of movement, that is when i noticed the subconscious tension i was adding. Iv explained it as a locked PF and thats pretty much what it is. You have tightened up the PF to the point it doesn't have much flexibility. It may not be to the extreme of hurting like others have experienced but as for me it was certainly not moving.

APT, if you have it is certainly something to work on as it does change the chemistry a bit.

I mean its like losing weight. You let yourself go and now its time to fix things. But also like losing weight and PreE, if you go right back to your old habits you will gain the weight back just as PreE can return.

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@ACPreE thanks for the feedback!

20 minutes, ejaculation (deliberately, by speeding up and intensifying)

Still going very slowly, to keep arousal low. I need to work on picking up the speed, without breaking concentration.

I had to take a week off of edging because of external circumstances. Fortunately it seems I haven't regressed, but I would like to have progressed in that time. It also means that I hadn't ejaculated in over a week, so the orgasm was intense

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14:00 edge, ejaculation

PYT applied 15:22 around corona.

Pleasant burning sensation increases for 2+hrs

No second coat

17:57 - traces of PYT still visible, wiped off (would be necessary before sex)

17:58 masturbating with fleshlight - 29 minutes, ejaculation (I don't say 'edging' because there was no stopping at PONR)


I f*cking love this PYT stuff. It allows me to really go at it while visualising a full sexual encounter, gradually building in intensity until we're banging like crazy and she's fully satisfied. Better than any sex I ever had for real. What a nice thing for a premature ejaculator to experience once in a while and may actually reduce my insecurity and inferiority complex, temporarily. Let's see.

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9 minutes, PONR
1 minute, PONR
2 minutes, PONR
<1 minute, PONR

I've always had the problem that once I reach PONR for the first time, stop and let the feeling subside, I reach the PONR again very quickly from then on and can't break the pattern. I have no idea why this is!

I could have gone for 20+ minutes again if I went dead slowly the whole time, but that seems pointless at this point. I need to be picking up the speed.

Results are probably bad because I haven't ejaculated in three days. It's so hard to find the time and privacy! I also need to be working out in the gym, mainly to fix the pre-E, but it's been difficult to get there more than once a week lately
I don't make any progress at this rate.

I'll try and edge again later if I have the time.