What we know so far about PE, its causes and its treatment

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

Sorry to get back on the chemical topic, just an update on 5HTP.

I've not got much to report from 5htp itself over time sadly. Now admittedly I haven't given it the cleanest, most scientific trial, but after finishing the 5htp bottle, I went back to the health food store and bought some St. John's wort too. So I've started combining both this week, and I'll try St. John's Wort on its own soon to get some sort of differential measure.

The results of the two together are so far interesting. I'll report properly in time when I have more to say.

Note that I recognise that this may have different effects for different people, but I can certainly say it's not benign so far, or placebo. The two together (as I say, possibuly St. John's on it's own - time will tell) are giving me mild physical and psychological effects reminiscent of the illegal alternative I mentioned earier, and 5htp alone didn't do that, even though I really thought it would - hence, not placebo.

I'm optimistic right now.

Just as an aside, this direction is NOT a replacement for self-awareness and physical ability, it's a potential complement should you be interested. Ultimately, whatever your opinion of this approach, it's all just information. Do with it what you like.

Much love x

[samjones7 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close samjones7]

Great Post spanky. I agree with Dr Helen Kaplan.

According to Dr Helen Kaplan (the expert sex therapist) the key to learning how to stop premature ejaculation is learning penile sensory awareness.

There are many treatments available and suggested fo premature ejaculation. The best one in my opinion is based on the the Kaplan Stop Start Technique. learning control by learning sensory awareness really works, but it takes practice.
The articles on the site below are written by an expert in sex therapy.
Stop Premature Ejaculation
Please visit the site you will not regret it. Lots of good information about premature ejaculation.
Sam

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

[QUOTE=samjones7;461582]Great Post spanky. I agree with Dr Helen Kaplan.

According to Dr Helen Kaplan (the expert sex therapist) the key to learning how to stop premature ejaculation is learning penile sensory awareness.

There are many treatments available and suggested fo premature ejaculation. The best one in my opinion is based on the the Kaplan Stop Start Technique. learning control by learning sensory awareness really works, but it takes practice. Etc etc
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Look around this forum we are light years ahead of this.

[samjones7 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close samjones7]

Hi, thanks Pegasus, I will study the posts on the forum in detail.

[gamer420 Member Find all posts View Profile Close gamer420]

Spanky, I must admit your attitude has changed a lot since I was last on these forums, it's brought you closer to my original questions and theories that you disagreed with way back. You were against anything that involved drugs/chemicals but this is good that you are considering everything now. I am very interested in hearing about the effects of the 5htp drugs you are taking. Keep up the good work man.

[hopefuldude Member Find all posts View Profile Close hopefuldude]

Mate, be VERY careful mixing 5HTP with ANYTHING. It is meant to be taken on its own as it doesn't alter serotonin instantly, but overtime. You won't really feel any effects for 2-4 weeks and you must keep taking it. If anything it will improve sleep and make you more relaxed/calmer. This can help with PE and anxiety issues. It didn't work too well for me. For some, it is a wonder drug. There are much stronger things that work instantly if you want to go that way, but as you say, awareness and practice is the real true key.
Just be really careful, though. 5HTP is a solo flyer. You shouldn't really take it with St Johns. Don't want to end up with serotonin syndrome.

[nycguy25 Member Find all posts View Profile Close nycguy25]

It true never take 5HTP and ST Johns. You can take one of both, but never together.
Even if you try SSRI you can mix it with any 5htp or ST Johns you can have big health problems. Be careful taking this thing on your own with any doctor supervision.

[mitacheto Member Find all posts View Profile Close mitacheto]

Hello everyone! Well, I have some questions about reverse kegel. let me say that during masturbation effect is 100% . during sex, however, things are very different .. and in particular result-zero. TAA interesting to me is I know the error because I think I do everything right .. I tried several different ways: 1) Tightening of the BC muscle only during inhalation (respectively grant during exhalation) 2) Tightening of the muscle only during exhalation (relevant tightness during inhalation) 3) I tried to keep muscles constantly tight (and during inhalation and exhalation of * which is a very tough and tiring) And basically: Which of these three methods is correct? What does it mean to breathe with the diaphragm? When and how precisely should be used during sex (before the contact, during the contact, before + during the contact, how many reps you constantly have to do it or only when I feel the time is approaching ... ) Sincerely I would be grateful if someone could explain to me

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

When a boxer has his first actual bout he finds it harder to apply his skills than he does in the gym. The answer is more bouts and more sparing in the gym.

Reverse kegels(rk) can be used out of sex as a rehab exercise for the pelvic floor. This involves an out of sex kegel /reverse kegel routine which you don't mention . I suggest this as a starting point.

I regard to rk use during sex ,they can can be used in various complex ways, but I really believe you need to stick to basics. For a start you keep saying tightning which causes concern that you are doing a kegel rather than a rk. Rk done early during sex ,before your arousal gets up near ponr ,is meant to stabilise arousal and counteract involantary kegels .

[imac Retired Moderator Member of the Month Nov 12PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close imac]

Here's a link to my thread about reverse kegels.
It includes an explanation of what they are, what the difference is between front and back, beginner to advanced exercises and tip for doing them correctly.

[Jimo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Jimo]

An excellent post. As I already have mentioned on another thread this is a great forum. as an ex sufferer of PE I have built a site to try and help others like me. I have learnt an awfull lot from browsing this forum. It is providing me with a lot of tips and ideas

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

Hey hey.

I made some edits to the original post, and linked to a few new pieces of information. That includes your post you linked up there too imac. My recent edits - wow, a YEAR after originally posting this ! - are in Quote balloons for now. I'll remove the quotes later, but they're there for now to highlight the edits. Hope that's useful to you guys.

Oh and by the way I'm off the 5htp now, but I am still taking St. John's. I've also pretty much completely beaten my Premature Ejaculation, and am usually (apart from the odd blip) in almost total control. Interesting that the 5htp and St John's combination is so dangerous? could anyone link me to some information on that? I ask becuse for my sins, I still indulge in the other thing from time to time, which obviously isn't 5htp, but could be seen as related, so it would be worth knowing what sort of risk that might be taking. Thanks kids x.

[hopefuldude Member Find all posts View Profile Close hopefuldude]

Well they can both alter serotonin, but not on the spot. St Johns may alter it instantaneously. 5HTP is ingested, and then uses vitamin B6 (I think) to convert it to serotonin over time. As in weeks. You may take them together and be fine. But once it starts serotonin converting (and you've got 4 weeks of it backed up ready to go), and you're getting instant serotonin boosts from the St Johns, you'll soon find you have way too much or way too little. And you'll get Serotonin Syndrome, which can be deadly as in an overdose. That is why you only stick to one serotonin altering product at a time, and never mix them.

[spanky Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close spanky]

Well they can both alter serotonin, but not on the spot. St Johns may alter it instantaneously. 5HTP is ingested, and then uses vitamin B6 (I think) to convert it to serotonin over time. As in weeks. You may take them together and be fine. But once it starts serotonin converting (and you've got 4 weeks of it backed up ready to go), and you're getting instant serotonin boosts from the St Johns, you'll soon find you have way too much or way too little. And you'll get Serotonin Syndrome, which can be deadly as in an overdose. That is why you only stick to one serotonin altering product at a time, and never mix them.

I hear you, and obviously nothing is risk free, but I honestly think unless you're talking about huge doses you're overstating those risks. Of course, if you take any medicine, treatment or supplement that has a physical, biochemical or other effect on you, you need to be sensible and careful, but unless you take a bottle full of pills, which is never a good idea, we're talking about far gentler effects than prescription antidepressants here.

Obviously, should anybody be trying St John's, 5HTP or both, then BE INFORMED, BE CAREFUL, and if you feel there's ANY problem, then STOP.

Ultimately though, my experience is that serotonin agents have had a profound effect on me. And I'm just reporting what happened. What I'm trying to find out is
a) how temporary those effects are and
b) how dynamic those effects are (i.e. dose/effect relationship)

This seems to me to be fairly uncharted territory. I'm taking a risk so nobody else has to. Why? because I have 20 years of background in such circles so I have a fair idea of my own tolerance, and frankly I'm curious as to how my background might have brought on my problems in the first place

[hopefuldude Member Find all posts View Profile Close hopefuldude]

I hear you, but just a heads up is all. Not so much uncharted, more undocumented. I've even gone there. It didn't work for me, but it has for others.