The Death Grip

[JamesMonroe Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JamesMonroe]

And also, if I can last 5-15 min more and i can lessen PONRS and sensitivity, I'll take it.

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JM I have a theory. Death grip with lube helps to create the sensation of a tight vagina - leading to the quicker approach of PONR. However, if you were to use death grip dry; ejaculation is delayed because the sensation (I've found) is less stimulating. Ultimately leading to longer sessions, a more relaxed pelvic floor etc. I could be wrong, just an observation.

That's the part I haven't figured out yet. Most guys that do Deathgrip have done it dry without lube, but I don't think that means they last longer because of that. We all know that masturbating with lube is harder to get used to and it causes a faster PONR and that it gets you more prepared for sex. It's that "harder to get used to" thing we have to work at. I think we have to slowly get used to lasting longer at intense/tight, wet stimulation.
Yes.... The dry masturbation is something to wonder about, but I think that's that's not the factor here.
I think the tightness and intensity of the strokes is the issue here. Everyone should masturbate with lube, no matter what, but you might have a point..... maybe the no lube friction of the tight grip is what is intense and a vagina will not compare.
I have thought of that myself....
but I'm ginna stuck to my guns on this one. Seems more likely.

[capital255 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close capital255]

I actually tried the death crip with lube in the morning and I lasted close to 20 minutes of having only 3 ponr but continues stimulation but just slowing down but not stopping..I didnt feel a urge until around the 11 minute mark. So after edging with a lesser grip before doing death grip I didn have that much ponr earlier on when i started. Hopefully this will resolve our issues

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***Resolve our issue to last longer

[dapper35 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dapper35]

this is very interesting. now i think about it I have always used a very light grip and have bad PE. I may encorporate some tighter training into my routine to see if it helps. Im uncut, do you think i should pull my foreskin back so that and then stimulate my uncovered glans for maximum effect?

cheers

[JamesMonroe Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JamesMonroe]

I actually tried the death crip with lube in the morning and I lasted close to 20 minutes of having only 3 ponr but continues stimulation but just slowing down but not stopping..I didnt feel a urge until around the 11 minute mark. So after edging with a lesser grip before doing death grip I didn have that much ponr earlier on when i started. Hopefully this will resolve our issues

Are you saying it was a good thing? Are you saying that it is more intense for you, so getting used to that intensity is better training? That is actually what I am trying to prove. Sorry, I didn't quite understand the meaning of your post.

[JamesMonroe Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JamesMonroe]

this is very interesting. now i think about it I have always used a very light grip and have bad PE. I may encorporate some tighter training into my routine to see if it helps. Im uncut, do you think i should pull my foreskin back so that and then stimulate my uncovered glans for maximum effect?

cheers

Absoulutely.... you need to slowly get used to more and more intense training with lube and different types of stroking and rubing so you can Handle more stimulation in the future.
If that means pulling the foreskin back, then do it. Make sure you do BYGGd's arousal control program first though.

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I also want to make it clear though.... supposedly to fix yourself from prem ejac, One of the things that you have to do is ALWAYS masturbate/edge WITH lube. I strongly recommend it. It is great training/preparation for a real, wet vagina... unless your woman I'd as dry as a desert down there.

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Masturbating dry with a light grip and quickly to porn while doing regular kegels only and no rev kegels and no real sex for a whole year is what gave me prem ejac.

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

A soft to moderate grip would work just fine, its the duration of the masturbation that develops the stamina.

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A soft to moderate grip would work just fine, its the duration of the masturbation that develops the stamina.

Thanx Kingpole, but I think we might disprove that theory soon based on the information and experiences we are gathering and testing. We'll let you know. I personally can say for sure that increased intensity and pressure in edging, ballooning and sex has made me last longer... not the length of edging. I was able to edge for an hour but as soon as I had sex I ejaculated in under a minute. I didn't see a difference until I trained hard with sex and got my penis used to intense sex with tougher and tighter positions on the penis such as doggy and woman ontop and me on top with heavy pressure/rubing.

[TruuCamp Member Find all posts View Profile Close TruuCamp]

Interesting topic , let me add my piece.

My first month on this forum I was doing penis growth and premature ejaculation cure at the same time.
I learned about the "jelq" technique and during my first month of arousal training I would jelq at the end.

So I wasnt masturbating but the "jelqing" resembled the tighter grip or masturbation been discussed here.
Anyways the results.

On nights that I woud jelq , my lasting time during sex the next day was as long as I wanted or pass the 20mins mark.
Now why did I stop doing it ? I already have a large package and my girlfriend was complaining about discomfort during sex.

[QuickTrigger Member Find all posts View Profile Close QuickTrigger]

Interesting topic , let me add my piece.

My first month on this forum I was doing penis growth and premature ejaculation cure at the same time... On nights that I woud jelq , my lasting time during sex the next day was as long as I wanted or pass the 20mins mark.

TruuCamp, how bad was your premature ejaculation? Upon penetration? Within a minute? Within 5? And it sounds like you cured yourself in a short amount of time. How did you go from pre-e to a 20minute marathon man?

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It varied for me , run between 2-5mins

[ThreeOne Member Find all posts View Profile Close ThreeOne]

Hey James!

Just filling you in as I spotted your post. I think we both come from opposite sides of the spectrum and my habits may help you gain some insight about how to work on premature ejaculation.

I'm currently 25 years old, been masturbating since I was old enough to, maybe 13 or 14, somewhere then. I'm uncut.

I've always masturbated with an iron grip, dry and if possible, to porn. I didnt know it at the time, but my first 10 or so sexual partners I either faked it or straight up told them theyve got very little chance of making me climax and once they were satisfied we would stop. It took me a very long time to realise, I hated sex, thought something was wrong with me. Even if I pretended I could cum during sex, it didnt work. I'd literally go until I had no energy and the girl was completely raw, tried many different ways, it never helped, even without condoms (in an exclusive relationship, not for fuck buddies). I ended up asking my friends what the deal was, if they had the same problems...no one did.

Anyway, one day people are chatting on 4chan and I see a guy talking about having the exact same thing. I never post on there, largely go for the funny pics of cats and stuff, but here it was, some guy with the same issue. He said hed been masturbating with an iron grip and couldnt break out of the habit, sex was very unsatisfying. He said the iron grip was the cause... I couldnt believe this is what it took for me to make the connection. Granted, it gave me a great rep with the girls, theyd always leave satisfied because without getting my fun, I was free to concentrate on making their experience the best I could.

The guy said he stopped masturbating for months. He never touched it once. Some sensitivity came back. Since then, hes been very gentle and he had been able to climax once or twice with a girl. He never used lube while masturbating, nor did I.

So, what we did to become SO desensitised that we ended up having epic (and unwanted) staying power? Iron grip, daily more than once, no lube.

I dont want this to read like im proud. I am not. It was horrible, still is. I've only ever had 1 girl work on it with me and in the end I still couldnt climax about 1/3rd of the time once we got to our peak of performance....that took 2 years.

So, if you overdo it and become desensitised, perhaps try what me and this anonymous stranger did, just stop playing with it for a while and eventually youll enjoy sex a bit more again. I never had premature ejaculation, but the iron grip sure affected my staying power, so I would say it supports your idea to some extent, as once I eased off, I did get more sensation and quicker ejaculation times.

That being said, the target of being so desensitised where you have to pull out and finish yourself off....I wouldnt go with that as a target. I've been that guy. Girls dont expect it, they dont like the sight of the guy they were having sex with mere moments ago in a grimace of self-abuse, raking his penis with a claw in a vice grip like a pit bull gripping on a chew toy. Dont pretend it's normal, I even tried putting a game face on....it made me look more psychotic than casual about the whole affair

Just go for a point where you have to really pump away for a long time in order to climax, I've managed to more or less get to that point and I never climax without the conscious decision to go ahead and I still last as long as I want with girls, in fact, the first few times with any girl I usually just dont, simply because my mind has to be in the right place with them before I can. Maybe adjust your goal, but thats my personal experience talking and I dont want you to feel like I'm calling you out or anything, everyone has their own preference, goals and ideals...but I'm in a situation which youre aiming for and I dont particularly like it.

EDIT: This all being said, nowadays, I'm looking at penis enlargement. My vice grip over the years (and currently) has never given me great erection quality for a significant time afterwards, so I have to be sure to not masturbate for some time before any chance I might get lucky. The vice grip hampers my recovery between workouts, potentially moreso than people who masturbate with a medium or light grip and I cant ejaculate without it now, so as youll see in my log, I just try to refrain from masturbation whatsoever, which is difficult when you have it as a lifetime habit to masturbate when you get up, when you get in and when you go to bed.