Bigbook's Log and Journal - Starting my way to success and complete control

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Ananda Balasana yoga pose - really stretches pelvic floor and gently massages lower back and sacrum

1) i cant even atempt this pose on yoga mat or any harder surface... pressing my spine against hard surface would be too painfull... for this i really must use futon or thick shag rag... my spine feels very fragile and painfull doing this excercise... if i want to be able to do it for longer period or if i plan to use gentle rocking to massage my lower back and sacrum than i definitelly go with futon or shag rag (example)

2) while lying on your back with your legs up, definitelly try various grips and positions of your legs and feet - you can grab your feet, your ankles, your shins, knees, thighs - you can grab over and under, you can cross legs in the air (like a yoga sit upside down), you can bend your knees and press your legs on your chest (example)… whatever… dont restrict yourself to the original yoga pose thats just a begining… when iam lying on my back with my legs up in the air i try all sorts of leg positions and hold them for a while until i find the one that gives me pleasant stretch without too much strain on hamstrings or quadriceps which would make everything too uncomfortable and divert from the main target - holding a pelvic floor stretch…

3) i remind myself these stretches are meant to be pleasant and relax my tightened pelvic muscles… i should come back to them with joy… this is not a race in a yoga class who will endure more pain or who will hold longest in the most fucked up position… leave that to yoga geeks… nobody is competing here… if i cant hold the original pose for more than 8 sec shaking because my hamstrings / quadriceps / calves are screaming than i make myself comfortable, bend my knees or cross my legs in the air and grab myself lower (around knees or thighs) - iam moving my legs around until i find a position where i still feel my pelvis being stretched while the rest of my body is unstrained - the ultimate goal is to find a position where i can hold for several minutes without strain while still feeling the pelvic being stretched gently…

4) iam experimenting with yoga straps to make myself comfortbale in longer holds (example) - i try various strap loops around my legs and thighs to alleviate my hands / biceps straining in longer holds

5) once i find the position that feels comfortable i may add gentle rocking up and down, left and right, or in circular motion to knead and massage my sacrum and lower back... when iam on the futon this feels pleasant and relaxing, like a nice massage... no pain or strain on lower back or sacrum...

6) if i feel my neck is too straining i use 2 sleeping pillows under my head...

7) again definitelly better done when iam 100% naked... no pulling and wraping of clothes, everything has freedom to relax and gravitate to natural positions... 0% obstructions anywhere... freedom of natural movement...

IN AN IDEAL WORLD i should be able to hold the perfect yoga forms and target all my tight muscles at once... but thats an utopic nonsesne that will most likely discourage me from doing any excercises at all because i will feel like beaten dog after 3 minutes... this forum is about PREMATURE EJACULATION so instead of becoming a rubber yoga geek i focus on the sole function of stretching my pelvic floor... i start with whats least straining for me and work my way up to the perfect form ONEDAY if i have time and motivation... YOGA can be a lifetime effort, but before i get too excited i should focus on my main goal here - which is not YOGA but PREMATURE EJACULATION...

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just got a Theracane in my mailbox - its use is not directly affecting pelvic muscles but indirectly it may help...

1) its a general self-massage tool that can be used to self-massage muscles all around your body, including hard to reach muscles on top and mid back, shoulders, sacrum, etc.
2) its said to be especially effective in eliminating "trigger points" which are chronic muscle tight spots that hurt and prevent full muscle relaxation and function - (google)
3) the idea is that by slow massaging of these hurtfull muscle spots they get "released" (the fibers loosen and oxygen and blood flow is restored) allowing the whole muscle to function properly and in its full range of motion

ive been using it for 5 minutes as i unpacked it... and i feel like i just had a really good massage done on my shoulders and small back / sacrum... as i walked around the flat my whole pelvis movemements were more pronounced with greater range of motion after just 5 minutes... complete motion range of muscles in small back / sacrum is definitelly beneficial for pelvic fitness...

1) lying on my back on my trusty shag rag with thick woolen strands i slide the Theracane under my back and poke around carefully until i find a tender spot which feels acheing - keep away from spine ridge in the middle of back

2) gently tilting the theracane i press the ball end into the aching muscle and than slowly "relax into the pain" - it sounds worse than it feels - staying on that spot i find a reasonable pain threshold by tilting the Theracane and than i relax as if trying to fall asleep - you must embrace the pain to release it, NEVER FIGHT THE PAIN THAT CAUSES MUSCLE TIGHTENING... i release gradually, i dont go straight for the maximum pain... the point is not to feel most pain on that spot... the point is to relax, poking deeper and deeper into the muscle until there is no pain at all... the trigger point got loosened...

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today i tested flashlight first time since i started this log...

i experimented using fleshlight in Upavesasana position just to prove if manual stretch of pelvic floor WHILE masturbating can reduce PE right away... no it cant... even in Upavesasana i felt i could come within 20 strokes... very depressing finding... its quite counter-intuitive to the whole pelvic floor relaxation theory...

1) i noticed that my glans is super sensitive - i can feel like coming even semi flacid with my glans stroked in fleshlight

2) every time i stroke my glans a massive kegel contracted in my pelvis but it got relaxed (automatic reverse kegel) as soon as i stoped motion (i was still in Upavesasana position the whole time so gravity was pushing my pelvis out - reverse kegel) - stroking my glans worked like electric jolt into my pelvis contracting a kegel, which when stoped moving got immediatelly released and reversed (also thanks to gravity pull in Upavesasana position)

i wonder if there is any way to disconnect glans stroking with nervous impulses into pelvis...

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taking a break now and investigating the possibility to desentisize the penis glans using towel rubbing over the glans... more on this subject here:

Can I desensitize my penis head naturally?

Can Death Grip be Solution of Premature Ejaculation?

its a tough decision... on one hand you may loose part of your sensitivity and pleasure but you can last longer and finally be "the special guy" who can make your lady cum the right way not just with your mouth... its quite likelly that the "manpower" and "self-esteem" that you regain when you can make her cum with your dick is totally worth the decrease in your own pleasure... more on that subject in the threads linked above...

on the other hand iam simply a selfish bastard and the thought of "having your cake and eating it too" aka having all the explosive pleasure potential inside my glans and also handling it without ejaculation sounds like a super-power to have... iam a very sexual being and sex for me is simply the most important thing in the world (except breathing and eating)... it may soud ignorant but iam not ashamed of it... i read somewhere that "sex is god"... i feel that way... the idea that i would deliberatelly dial down my experience of sex/god (desentization of glans) only to stay longer with it (prolonging intercourse) sounds bit like a shamefull waste of divine gift of supersensitive glans...

but that again what if you cant "have your cake and eat it too" - mother nature's sick joke... you either have supersensitive glans and enjoy mindblowing sex but end after 2 minutes or you are have less sensitive glans and enjoy sex a little less and your partner will enjoy more penetration from your cock... there is no perfect male superhero which can feel all the pleasure from hypersensitive glans and at the same time keep going for hours...

"you cant have your cake and eat it too"

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so how does it going for you?

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ok very fast forward from 2015 to 2017... the break i talked about in my last post from 04/2015 got a little longer... unfortunatelly not much happened since 2015... my life long PE is still with me without much improvement... i didnt train much of what i was preaching in this thread... that doesnt mean its bad information but i was lazy and inconsistent... i got discouraged because i was expecting faster improvements and they didnt come... i lost direction stopped training and wasted 2 years doing very little with my problem...

untill now...

recently i had relativelly good success starting and maintaining a weight-lifting routine and so-far iam seeing constant progress week by week (adding weights to the barbells and dumbells)... its newbie gains, but the weight lifting routine is teaching me a lot about self-improvement in general...

here are some lessons learned from my weight-training routine:

1) COMPOUND EFFECT - things improve slow in INVISIBLE increments, "persistance over time" is the key
- in muscle buliding looking in the mirror you cannot see with your eyes week by week improvements and you can barelly see month to month improvements but they are there and they compound over months and years into as if "miraculous" transformation of physical body
- the same goes the other way, you cannot see a single snicker bar or pizza slice in mirror, you wouldnt see them even after eating them every day for a week or two, but compounded over 1 year you find yourself fatter on new years eve

PE APPLICATION:
- do not expect any TANGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS happening from session to session or week to week... the chnage is happening on almost invisible scale (same like muscle growth)... that doesnt mean changes are not happening... they are just too small to register... you have to trust in compounding effect that will add all those sessions and their invisible contributions and OVER TIME lead to improvements that can be felt...

2) CREATE A HABIT - you are in this for a long run, better create a habit of this, because momentary willpower and self-motivation will not be enough
- facing the nearly invisible week-to-week increments of compounding effect can be brutally slow and demotivating, it make take months of invisible increments before you notice any tangible improvements that can give you hope and motivation... instead of relying on day to day self-motivation and willpower you can do something better - turn it into a habit...
- little bit of pop-science but it ilustrates the point: it takes minimum 300 conscious repetitions to inprint a strong enough neural brain pattern that turns an initially challenging task into an unconscious automatic habit, it works the other way too - it takes minimum 300 conscious decissions TO NOT DO SOMETHING to weaken a previously repetitevly strenghtened and automated habit response...
- depending on complexity of activity you want to automate or weaken, a brain neural structures can be strenghtened or weakened in 300 repetitions but for more complex habits it may take 10x more...

simple bad habit: every day on lunch break in stresfull job i "rewarded" myself with some junk snack - snickers, a donut, small chocolate shake in McD, pack of salty roasted peanuts - to weaken this poor habit i aim for at least 300x BREAK this habit and skip the "reward" or buy 2 bananas... right now iam about 4 weeks without junk snacks and i feel much smaller urge to get it when on lunch break - the neural path is slowly but surelly weakening...

simple good habit: every working day (MON-FRI) i wake up, immediatelly go to bathroom, take a piss, wash my face with cold water, go to basement, open a laptop with a excel training log and start loading weight-plates on the barbell standing in the rack, i do 4 incremental warmup sets, than 3 working sets, repeat with next excercise, after iam done update the excel log in laptop, close laptop and start the day...

- Repetition is key to inprinting a habit so it becomes automated, once habit is formed it needs much less willpower and motivation to perform the automated habitual activity - the particular brain neural pathway is habitualised... same goes the other way... the less you use the habitual neural pathway the weaker it becomes over time...

PE APPLICATION:
- the PE TRAINING must become a habit with repetitive schedule and structure... iam aiming for 300 repetitions of the training session for this to become a habitual training that i dont have to motivate myself for every day...
- the AROUSAL RESPONSE ITSELF - the actual muscular response of my pelvis and arousal response of my brain pleasure centers is also subject to habitual response... iam aiming for 300 and more repetitions of good ejaculatory response to strenghten the correct response and weaken the bad habit of quick arousal and reaching PONR too fast

3) PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD - keep the body and brain challenged to instigate change
- progressive overload is one of the main principles in bodybuilding - asking your body to do what its already capable of doing doesnt give any incentive for body to improve itself... only when body is pushed BEYOND ITS CURRENT CAPACITY it will try to prepare itself for next beating by building more muscles so, it doesnt hit the reserves next time... the trick is that you keep raising the bar and body has to keep playing catch up by incrising its strength while you keep raising the demand at the same time, asking it to do a little bit more than it is currently capable of... thus OVERLOAD and PROGRESSIVE... it cant be done forever because each OVERLOAD shock-stresses the body and body must be given time to actually repair and stock up more muscles for the next OVERLOAD...
- the PROGRESSION must be controlled otherwise you risk of DOING TOO MUCH - overloading body too often so it doesnt have enough time to repair and add muscles for next beating or TOO LITTLE - not overloading body enough thus asking it to do what it can easily do already and there is no need to grow bigger
- to keep the PROGRESSION simple to control and log, ussually 1 thing is selected to be PROGRESIVELLY INCREASED - 1 parameter is VARIED OVER TIME while others remain FIXED to prevent confusion...

example: benchpress with barbell

FIXED REPETITIONS BEFORE YOU ADD WEIGHT ON BARBELL 6 reps
FIXED SETS 3 sets
FIXED RESTING BETWEEN SETS 3 minutes
VARIED WEIGHT ON BARBELL on week when you are capable of doing 3 x 6 reps, add weight to barbell for next week session

PE APPLICATION:
- this is the hardest part and unfortunatelly i still didnt quite crack how to measure PROGRESSION in PE TRAINING - in weight-lifting most parameters are kept FIXED (6 REPS, 3 SETS, 3 MINUTE RESTS) and your job is to control only 1 parameter (WEIGHT ON BAR) - this way you cant cheat that much, you know how many REPS you finished with HOW MUCH KILOS the last week and you progresivelly increase next week - unfortunatelly during a typical STAMINA EDGING sessions there is million VARIABLE things that can differ from session to session. The result is that you can VARY many things to cheat yourself to last longer but all you did is you decreased stimulation compared to last week. So you didnt PROGRESS or OVERLOADED your body compared to last week - you just did less stimulation. This will obviously not translate into better stamina in bed and may cost you many sessions of ZERO PROGRESSION and wasted time "in the gym" that wont make any difference in bed.


THIS IS MY IDEA HOW TO APPLY MORE FIXED PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD BUT IT HAS TO BE EVALUATED...

- it involves FLESHLIGHT during edging sessions, i know FLESHLIGHT is not used by many people on PEGYM and here are some comon FOR/AGAINST arguments on FLESHLIGHT...

AGAINST: FLESHLIGHT is too stimulating to begin with, its like a beginner weightlifter trying to bench 40 kilos on first visit to gym in his life, people should first edge using lighter hand grip and progresivelly increase the hand grip stimulation until they can fully control themselfes with ANY HAND GRIP, only than they may upgrade to FLESHLIGHT...

FOR: some pople may found out that edging does not translate to REAL SEX very well - they can masturbate with hands for hours but it doesnt translate to bed, when they enter REAL VAGINA they cum very fast... this is due to 2 factors:

1) lot of stimulation VARIABILITY and therefore room to cheat yourself into hour long solo sessions, that may not translate into bed, has to do with hands (grip shape, finger location, pressure, angle) - you can cheat with your grips into staying for 1 hour - VAGINAS on the other hand are fairly uniform in shape and they maintain the same grip during entire intercourse, they can get tighter or looser but all within a narrow spectrum compared to your hand VARIABILITY

2) INTERUPTED GLANS STIMULATION - most guys masturbate holding penis shaft in fist or using an "OK sign" - during these strokes glans is ussually stimulated mainly on the up-stroke and a when the hand is fully retracted the glans is not covered - VAGINA on the other hand provide CONSTANT GLANS COVERAGE AND STIMULATION - inside the vaginal tube every milimeter of movement either way strokes the ENTIRE circumference of penis glans - the difference in glans stimulation between typical hand masturbation and vagina is 10.000 %

THIS LEADS ME TO PROBABLY CONTROVERSIAL IDEA TO USE FLESHLIGHT FROM THE VERY FIRST SESSION OF PE TRAINING...

my arguments for fleshlight against hand:

- i may be setting myself for very very short edging sessions to begin with - maybe just couple strokes - but i believe that even a single stroke improvement from week to week using fleshlight will almost 100% translate in bed... this takes me back to compounding effect and the role of time and persistance - the improvements may be slow and invisible using fleshlight - it may take exponentially longer to get to 1, 2, 3, 4 minutes lasting in fleshlight then hand, but each minute gained in fleshlight is 100% solid and undoubtly translate into REAL SEX better than hand

- in the long run fleshlight simplifies the training immensly and helps consistency - CONSISTENCY ENSURES ACCURATE MEASUREMENTS - if you want to know how much you improved within 3-6-9 months you cant be keeping track of 50 VARIABLES... there is no question what grip to use, what pressure, when to chnage to more stimulating grip - this is all taken care for by FLESHLIGHT and it keeps all things in check so you dont have to...

- FLESHLIGHT leaves minimum space for cheating and suprises in bed - FLESHLIGHT allows you to cheat only using same tricks you woud use in VAGINA - you can slow down, you can chnage depth, you can chnage angle - THATS ALL - SAME AS REAL VAGINA... EVERYTHING ELSE IS RELYING ON YOUR BODY AND MIND CONTROL... there is no asistance in form of changing the grip or loosening your hand...

- OVERLOAD - remember, body only improves or chnages when its current limits are reached and crossed, there is plenty of overload and reaching of limits in FLESHLIGHT in every session - unlike with hand you cant go light inside FLESHLIGHT - FLESHLIGHT wont let you slack or get away with less OVERLOAD than last week, wasting your session...

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Insight : New concept - 3 scales instead of 1

Today i was having an edging session and i realised that arousal and the way it is explained is actually mixing / lumping together several separate things going on during sex or masturbation. You may have heard of the concept of "arousal scale" where 0=no arousal and 10=ejaculation. Sexologist clients are than told to learn to go up and down the ladder when having sex and try remain somewhere between 7 or 8.5 to keep arousal at check because when you climb all the way to 9.9 you cross the PONR and ejaculation process is started (train leaves the station at 9.9 and the ejaculation takes place).

The term "arousal scale" typicaly sums all body indicators of arousal at any given time during sex or solo session and spits out one numeric value that should indicate your general arousal or how close you are to PONR.

This approach has some shortcomings. Instead i think that at any given time during sexual intercourse or solo masturbation you can actually estimate 3 different scales that will give you more valuable information whats happening in your body in various domains rather than covering everything that is happening in the moment with single number which blurs the lines between individual aspects of your arousal.

1) Erection scale
- 1-10 scale how much you are erect at the moment
1 being totally flacid, with minimum blood retention in penis
10 being raging hot hardon

2) Tension scale
- 1-10 scale of muscle relaxation / tension - this obviously means primarily pelvic muscles but in greater scope any muscles in the body - abs, hamstrings, lower back, shoulders

3) Arousal scale (aka hornyness)
- 1-10 scale of arousal or hornyness, this is mostly about accelerating your arousal using SEXUAL STATE OF MIND, this is how much your MIND AROUSAL and IMAGINATION amps up the sexual urge and buzz swallowing your body, you can feel the pleasure vibrating through your body and your mind is sinking into the pleasure, closing eyes imagination runs wild, you may start to arch or moan or whatever and you are speeding up towards PONR... the bad example of INCREASING AROUSAL SCALE is imagining vivid scenes from favorite porn movies when edging alone or fucking a real woman, opposite bad example of trying to DECREASING AROUSAL SCALE is thinking about math or dead people...

Now analyzing these 3 scales at any moment of sexual intercourse or edging sessions gives you SO MUCH MORE information that trying to estimate 1 number to everything you feel at the moment...

so this is what i realised right away using 3 scales instead of 1

- contrary to popular believe Erection, Tension, Arousal do not have to be moving up and down the scale in SYNCH - at any given moment they can be all over the place... you can have low erection but high arousal, you can have high erection but realtively low tension...

couple real life examples:

1) you can have pretty soft cock (firmer but not solid enough to penetrate) and still have crazy pelvic contractions and penis twitching and jumping, whenever you touch your penis GLANS with you fingers

ERECTION SCALE - LOW : 2-3
TENSIONS SCALE - HIGH : 6-8 (especially in pelvis)

2) many times in the past using all sorts of energy work and body work i was able to make myself so aroused, horny and conductive to pleasure all over my body - i was literally BUZZING with sexual pleasure while being pretty relaxed and with very soft penis... YET i could triger multiple dry (non ejaculatory) orgasms just by touching my soft penis (no masturbation, just gentle touch could bring me over the edge into dry orgasmic spasms)

ERECTION SCALE - VERY LOW : 1-2
TENSIONS SCALE - HIGH : 6-7 (entire body)
AROUSAL SCALE - VERY HIGH : 9.5

3) by using 3 scales during my last edging session, right away, i could recognise a bad pattern that i didnt notice so far... it was probably programed early in childhood when masturbating and its still with me nowdays... when i watch porn my erections are rock hard, but when i masturbate without porn relying on my imagination only i often get a lot softer erection and it also comes and goes - iam erect than i go little softer and after couple minutes harder again - well, using 3 scales i immediatelly noticed that when my ERECTION SCALE goes down i panic and i try to COMPENSATE my softer erection by contracting my bulbospongiosus muscle to pump and lock the blood in my penis THUS TENSION SCALE GOES UP... also iam fueling my mental arousal in my head to maintain the erections at all costs... AROUSAL SCALE GOES HIGH... so to salvage my temporarily fading erection i tense pelvic muscles and raise my mental arousal which obviously propels me faster towards PONR...

ERECTION SCALE - LOW to MODERATE : 4-6
TENSIONS SCALE - HIGH : 7 (pelvis)
AROUSAL SCALE - VERY HIGH : 8

- the main take away is that these 3 values can be incorrectly mixed up and if you dont log them separately in your head at any given moment you will get confused where are you on Erection, Tension, Arousal and you may be trying to fix one without realising you are messing up the others in the process.

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THIS IS GOING TO BE HELL OF A RIDE
Only session #02 and iam already discovering gems.

Insight: Racing to the "fun part"

Today using the 3 scales i totally understood where i went wrong since childhood. When i masturbate i really want to get to the "fun part" AS SOON AS POSSIBLE - "fun part" being hard-rock erection, great shaft sensitivity, buzz and arousal surfing through my veins... so since first masturbation in childhood i was trying to skip the "boring part" the "preparation" where my dick was flacid, semi-erect or soft... soft erection wasnt IT so in couple first minutes of every masturbation i did all i could to get a rock erection going AS SOON AS POSSIBLE... only with hard erection established i considered masturbation ready to begin...

Obviously trying to get hard rock erection as soon as possible, you can use hardcore porn and / or combination of squezing and holding pelvic muscles (to pump and trap blood in penis) and running you fantasy HIGH OCTANE you imagine all sorts of things in your head - combination of porn clips, fantasizing that the hand is not yours but of a beautifull girl doing you a hand-job, you imagine her face, her body, her ass, etc.

So during first minutes of masturbation i was DELIBERATELLY SLAMMING MY TENSIONS SCALE and AROUSAL SCALE TO MAX REVS to get as hard as possible (ERECTION SCALE)...

So when i finally got hard and really started to slide my hand up&down the now hard penis i was already

TENSION SCALE: 8
AROUSAL SCALE: 8

That is obiviously going to BACKFIRE IN COUPLE MOMENTS because although i think to myself that "i only just began" and "i only just got sufficiently hard for the real masturbation to begin"... i accomplished my hardness at expense of TENSING and AROUSING myself almost to the 10 on both TENSIONS SCALE and AROUSAL SCALE... so when i start to stroke my hard penis iam already few strokes from PONR...


CORRECTION: last 2 fleshlight sessions i totally didnt TRY to get erect, i started to play with a completelly soft and shrunk penis (iam a grower) and i said to myself, its going to fill with blood when "it decides to"... iam not going to push it, force it, in ANY WAY and lets see what happens... after about 10 minutes of playing with soft, small cock it started to grow and fill with blood on its own (WITHOUT ANY TENSING OR IMAGINATION ON MY SIDE) and at around 15 minute mark i had sufficient erection to enter fleshlight... YEAY

THE TAKEAWAY: NEVER FORCE ERECTION, ALWAYS LET IT HAPPEN ON ITS OWN, DO NOT WORRY THAT IT WONT HAPPEN, IF THERE IS TOUCH STIMULATION IT WILL GET ERECT EVENTUALLY


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Insight: Anus kegel (contraction)

When inside fleshlight and i bring myself to the very edge of cliff - literally balancing on PONR, i MUST STOP ANY MOVEMENT and i know that if i move 1cm inside the fleshlight either way the train leaves the station and ejaculation commences... today when i hit the cliff edge i REMAINED MOTIONLESS and experimented little bit with various K and RK locations to see if i can take a step back from the cliff:

FRONT and MIDDLE KEGEL pushes me over the cliff if used while balancing at PONR

FRONT and MIDDLE RK keeps me at bay so i dont move step forward or backward i just hover at the same place, these RKs do not really push me into PONR but neither do they pull me back from PONR

REAR KEGEL ONLY - wow !!! isolating anus and contracting only anus while keeping MIDDLE and FRONT pelvis neutral really pulls me back away from the cliff, in fact when i hold the anus contracted for couple seconds without interuption i can feel my erection going down (going softer) inside the fleshlight...

will have to confirm and test on following sessions... seems like REAR KEGEL (anus) could be an emergency break to PULL BACK at the cliff edge...

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Insight : New types of reverse kegel

As i wrote in a separate thread on this forum (link here) i believe that reverse kegels has to be carefully described because there might be several different flavors how to perform RK - they all have its place so there is no WRONG or CORRECT reverse kegel, there are just couple different versions

So as with KEGELS the RKs have 3 main locations where you can perform them

LOCATIONS:

FRONT: imagine relaxing into your pubic bone or pubic hair or penis shaft, thats FRONTAL plane of pelvic floor

MIDDLE: imagine relaxing straight down into the floor, down between your legs thats the MIDDLE plane of pelvic floor

REAR: imagine trying to initiate pooping or farting, that relaxing of anal sphincter is REAR reverse kegel

The next distinction i made for myself to label 2 kinds or reverse kegel. A reverse kegel where you JUST RELAX MUSCLES and a reverse kegel where you PUSH OUT MUSCLES.

This is not just a distinction how intense or strong a REVERSE KEGEL is... the diference is in mental engagement of the muscles.

Ill borrow from my other post (link here):

RELAX REVERSE KEGEL: when performing this RK you DO NOT PUSH, you just simply LET GO and RELAX, the term i used is MELT THE TENSION INSIDE THE MUSCLE... when performing "RRK" you dont think in your head "PUSH" or "OUTWARDS", instead you think "RELAX" or "MELT"...

when doing "RRK" you might start to feel very weird and unknown feelings... i call them "tingle & tickle" - it feels little uncomfortable as if somebody was using a feather to tickle your pelvic muslces... the more you RELAX and MELT into "RRK" this "tingle & tickle" can become even bit agonising... just like real tickling...

any form of KEGEL (CONTRACTION) immediatelly cancels RRK and immediatelly stops the "tingle & tickle" sensation... its obvious you cannot be RELAXING and MELTING a muscle while CONTRACTING IT at the same time...

PUSH REVERSE KEGEL: this is basically where you consciously push the muscles out during REVERSE KEGEL... you go beyond RELAXING and you CONSCIUSLY APPLY FORCE AND PUSH THE MUSCLES OUT... the intensity of the push out can be different, it may be a tiny tiny push out or it can be much harder push like trying to "BULGE OUT" the muslces...


MAIN DIFFERENCE you may notice between RELAX REVERSE KEGEL (RRK) and PUSH REVERSE KEGEL (PRK) is that when you just do RRK the location RELAXES, MELTS and the "tingle & tickle" starts to spread in the relaxed muscles... but when you APPLY FORCE and try to force even a tiny little PUSH and engage the muscles with EFFORT the "tingle & tickle" sensation stops... even a small PUSHING FORCE stops the "tingle & tickle" and turns RRK into PRK...


iam only on fleshlight session #02 but i can already feel great benefits making distinction between FRONT, MIDDLE, REAR locations and RRK (RELAX REVERSE KEGEL) and PRK (PUSH REVERSE KEGEL)...

more on this with future sessions

[Polyorchid Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Polyorchid]

I like the breakdown of tone/arousal/EQ. Keep up the nice work.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with this thread, but it may have some information and theories that might be of interest to yourself.
this threads

[bigbookofpenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bigbookofpenis]

Still couldnt quite create HABIT of the edging sessions. In last 2 weeks, i was constantly "running out of time" during the day to have a focused session, or i found other stupid excuses not to do it (because i think about it too much before starting it, rather than attending to it on autopilot like a HABIT - like brushing teeth when you wake up or go to sleep).

Insight : GLANS CORONA is really the powerhouse of stimulation

On weekend i found time to edge (first with dry hand and than lubed-fleshlight). This might sound like obvious discovery but today i found what exact stimulation is really DRIVING ME FASTEST TO PONR inside FLESHLIGHT (and presumably VAGINA). Previously i thought its "frenulum" but today i found its actually the "corona". As i get closer to PONR, rubbing over the corona is like "licking a 9V battery" or "most intense tickle".

The closer to PONR the corona becomes more engorged with blood. With every notch towards PONR the corona rub becomes more agonizing, bordering with pain. The nerve endings are screaming "STOP". It reminds me of the agony when you ejaculate and the girl keeps sucking your glans - ITS NOT PLEASANT, in fact its PAINFULL as the nerve endings are OVERLOADED.

This is distinction between "frenulum" which is ussually listed as most sensitive and "corona" which brings me closest to PONR:

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AND HERE IS WHY:

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This picture clearly demostrates why FLESHLIGHT translates to sex better than hands-only edging. Because inside VAGINA (and Fleshlight) the corona is getting NONSTOP PUNISHMENT whichever direction you move. Its in constant contact with the vaginal walls.

Like the rest of the glans, the corona is bare, not covered by skin unlike the penis shaft. The corona itself is wider than the rest of the glans so it absorbs most friction from the vaginal walls. It feels like it can also inflate more with blood compared to the rest of the glans bulb. Its almost like an inflatable tire (swelling with blood and full of nerve endings) encircling your glans and absorbing all the road bump and friction from the vaginal walls.

I believe corona has more spongy tissue to fill with blood and also more nerve endings than the rest of the glans bulb.

AND THIS IS WHAT WAITS FOR YOUR SENSITIVE CORONA INSIDE A FLESHLIGHT STU:

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Thats it for today. Will focus on corona in my following sessions and hopefully find ways to gain more control over its sensitivity.

Also Iam looking forward to find out how corona sensitivity falls into the exisitng concept of KEGELS / REVERSE KEGELS / PELVIC FLOOR BALANCE.