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You're welcome! The dry orgasm is "unnatural" for the brain, it thinks after orgasm that you also have ejaculated even if you didn't ejaculate or have the last spasm, but after more practice, the brain will get used to the feeling and you will keep the erection more often.
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Last edited by ShivaLinga; 10-19-2015, 09:47 AM.Starting stats - 21 May 2015: BPEL 19.5cm/7.67"
15 Aug 2015: BPEL 21.5cm/8.46"
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5 May 2016: BPEL 22cm/8.66"
june 2016 BPEL 22.5cm/8.85"
Goal: 9" x 6" Rock Hard EQ, Big Balls, 1000+Testosterone, Max Sensitivity,
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OK, I'll toss in my .02 worth in how I interpret my own DO & MMO progression. Prolactin is only produced when full ejaculation occurs, causing refraction (for ALL males). The prostate produces seminal fluid (the "carrier") for sperm. Testes produce sperm. During the PONR progression, there can be a release of seminal fluid (pre-cum), but not sperm (this is when the beginning of orgasm). I don't always pre-cum, but I take lecithin to increase my prostate seminal fluid production, so it happens sometimes. I don't lose my erection because there's no prolactin released, I have orgasm(s), but suffer no refraction, and continue in "plateau" with DO's. Stringing those together, I get to MMO, without ejaculating (either retro or normal).
Don't confuse the release of pre-cum with ejaculation, OP. They are not the same! You can have orgasm(s) and even release pre-cum, without ejaculation. Once you learn to remain in plateau at that stage, you can maintain your erection and eventually learn to MMO. It takes practice, good pelvic floor balance and PC / BC muscle strength & control along with knowledge to understand when to K, RK and maintain, for both your erection and to stay in orgasm "plateau". Just takes a lot of practice and learning to interpret what your body is telling you during sex.Last edited by jockinthebox; 10-19-2015, 10:03 AM.Comment
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@jockinthebox Yeah, I really need to practice remaining at plateau. Also, I am not confusing pre cum with actual sperm.Comment
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@shivalinga I've been doing this for the past three years, or four actually. I was doing better before, but now recently, it's been happening more, that I lose my erection after the DO.
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I'm convinced that a lot of this (everything) really does have to do with the mind. The mind governs the physical. A while ago, I ejaculated without orgasm, and then during the ejaculation, I kind of gave in and let those spasms happen (the same spasms from full on ejaculation/orgasm), but I actually stayed hard, and still felt the need to blow my load (cum). I started stroking again and my next PONR came in like 20 sec lol. Then I ejaculated without orgasm again. I think we take for granted how much importance the Psychological aspect of all this has on our pre-e. I think I will continue to try and master my ejaculation without orgasm. Also, I guess I have to work on balancing my arousal levels??Comment
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I'm currently reading "arousal techniques" by Drummer19. I think this might be the final missing piece to my problem
https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...echniques.html
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Originally posted by feelgood View Post
You actually need to focus on the exact REVERSE of what you just stated! Why would you want to ejaculate without orgasm?? You need to ORGASM without EJACULATING! ORGASM's where the pleasure comes from, and without the prolactin release that's ONLY associated with full-on ejaculation, you don't suffer refraction.
To put it bluntly...
You can have orgasm without ejaculation; but (IMO) you can't have full-on ejaculation (release) without orgasm. At least I can't; and why would you WANT TO?
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@jockinthebox, When I ejaculate without orgasm, I am able to ejaculate A LOT. A lot more than when I have my normal orgasms with ejaculation. And why wouldn't you want to be able to do this!! It's awesome
and well in my case, as I've said many times already, this prolactin release I experience (or whatever else is making me go limp) happens when I orgasm, and I don't think retrograde ejaculation has anything to do with it (if it does happen, how can you know anyway?) because in the past when I have dry orgasmed, some sperm has came out (not precum, actual sperm) and I have stayed hard sometimes.
Last edited by feelgood; 10-19-2015, 10:41 AM. Reason: I meant "happens when I orgasm" not "dry orgasm"Comment
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But either way, as DickerSchwans told me, I think that's the thing I have to work on, consciously controlling my arousal levels the right way. I will start to practice what Drummer19 says in his "Arousal Techniques" thread.Comment
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I don't understand HOW you ejaculate MORE, without orgasm than with orgasm. That does NOT make any sense to me.Originally posted by feelgood View Post@jockinthebox, When I ejaculate without orgasm, I am able to ejaculate A LOT. A lot more than when I have my normal orgasms with ejaculation.because in the past when I have dry orgasmed, some sperm has came out (not precum, actual sperm) and I have stayed hard sometimes.
If sperm escapes, that is NOT a dry orgasm. That's a PARTIAL EJACULATION!...just sayin'....I think you have the 2 confused.Comment
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I don't know, more just comes out, what do you want me to do about it lol. And I was talking about the "partial ejaculation" (I know it's not dry orgasm, I didn't mean to confuse you) just to let you guys know that the actual ejaculation isn't what causes my refractory period.Comment
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Do not want to waste my time on people not listening, got better things to do and others to help.Originally posted by feelgood View PostComment
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@Pegasus yeah same here bud. You think you know it all huh?Comment
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He really does. I would listen to him because I know you don't know more than he does. Suit yourself.Originally posted by feelgood View PostThe world's still a toy if you just stay a boy!Comment
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That's uncalled for, my friend. He's only trying to help you.Originally posted by feelgood View Post
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