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  • Attention all wise men of this forum...I need your opinions!

    I am the same guy who started this thread here in the url https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...-may-help.html

    Well, I know for a fact that I am facing a deep psychological problem concerning my pre-e. Like I said in my previous thread, one day when I got home from work, I was feeling extra good, really confident about myself, and I was stroking myself in the shower really hard and fast and was able to last 5 minutes! It may not seem much for you, but it was for me, and when my PONR was coming on, I was actually able to ignore and get past that need to cum and kept going at it! I will continue to try and increase my overall confidence levels, and also defeat any religious guilt my sub-conscious may be feeling. I'm not sure if I may need a therapist.

    Well the reason for this thread is the following...
    I noticed that many guys on here reporting their success with multiple male orgasms say that when they do this successfully, they stay hard, with really no refractory period. What is my problem? I am also able to do a dry orgasm by kegling through my orgasm, BUT, here's the catch. Afterwards, I do have a refractory period, and although it may not be as strong as the full on out orgasm from complete ejaculation, I still go a little limp.

    The other guys say when they do this, they do a very strong kegel during their orgasm, and afterwards they stay hard, but in my case, I do not stay hard! And recently, it's been harder now to get it back up. Also, when I don't do this type of orgasm as hard, like I do a soft kegel and don't go too far into the PONR, half the times I stay hard, and half the times I go a little limp. When I do stay hard, the time for the next PONR to come varies, anywhere from 30 sec to 3 minutes.

    Also, I am able to ejaculate without orgasm, I am able to do it either by reverse kegeling, or by stay very relaxed and just letting my sperm come out with out orgasm and not giving into the PONR. BUT, after either of these two methods, I stay very horny and that same PONR does not go away. If I were to keep going, I would cum in less than 10 seconds.

    I read that during orgasm/ejaculation, your body releases "prolactin", the compound that makes your body enter the refractory period after orgasm. Now this is where I'm confused. If this were true for when a man orgasms, how come these other guys on here report to keep their erection after having a strong dry orgasm and continue their multiple orgasm session, but I am not able to stay completely hard like they do. And the idea of the body releasing prolactin because of ejaculation would not make sense because, as in my case, when I ejaculate without orgasm, I stay very hard (and my need to cum is still strongly there, reaching PONR again in less than 10 sec, just to let you guys know and tell me of your opinions on that). But also the idea of prolactin releasing because of orgasm would not make sense either because of all these other guys staying hard after the kegelorgasm/dry-orgasm. So I'm confused as fuck.

    So in my case, orgasm is what makes me get off and not ejaculation. I don't know man, my pre-e really is of psychological cause, and is deeply rooted within my sub-conscious. If any of your have any opinions of my case, please don't hesitate to tell me. I would really appreciate it. I would like to deal with this problem from all possible angles and terminate my pre-e for good.

    Just to let those of you who didn't read my other post know, I am 20 years old. Also, maybe some other valuable information about me, I am 5' 9" tall, and I rarely watch porn anymore. I used to watch a bunch of porn as a kid and teen lol. But since I turned 19, I rarely watch it, or actually never at all it seems now, it's like I grew out of it. But anyway, all your opinions of what I wrote is greatly appreciated! I know that this forum is based more on the physical and of physical techniques to overcome pre-e, so I am sorry if this isn't the right place for this.

  • #2
    You are likely retro ejaculating into your bladder .
    As I understand it ,ejaculation causes prolactin release, not orgasm, but hey the medical side of it does not interest me . Fact is you can do a large number of dry orgasms so long as you do not ejaculate .

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    • #3
      But that's the thing, I can't do a large number of dry orgasms because I go limp afterwards! Unlike these other guys, they are staying hard. Why? And Pegasus, so if I am retrograde ejaculating when I do the dry orgasm, does that mean when these guys try the dry orgasm for MMO, they completely hold back any sperm from coming out of their prostate? I thought that's what I was doing.

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      • #4
        Oh and the medical side is wrong, like I already said, when I ejaculate without orgasm, I stay hard and super horny, still needing to cum, like I would reach PONR again in 10 seconds.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by feelgood View Post
          Oh and the medical side is wrong, like I already said, when I ejaculate without orgasm, I stay hard and super horny, still needing to cum, like I would reach PONR again in 10 seconds.
          Let the medical people and scientists work this out, it does not interest me unless it has an application.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by feelgood View Post
            But that's the thing, I can't do a large number of dry orgasms because I go limp afterwards! Unlike these other guys, they are staying hard. Why? And Pegasus, so if I am retrograde ejaculating when I do the dry orgasm, does that mean when these guys try the dry orgasm for MMO, they completely hold back any sperm from coming out of their prostate? I thought that's what I was doing.
            Err yes no ejaculate thus dry, whereas if you ejaculate, even into the bladder it is a wet orgasm for our purposes.
            So if you do not ejaculate there is no reason you should lose your erection (assuming your nervous system has had time to adjust). So you can orgasm as many times as you like to physical exhaustion.
            If you ejaculate even into the bladder you can expect to lose your erection .
            Often on the way to DO guys experience partial ejaculation, which is regarded as a partial success in DO terms .
            Quite often guys will be able to maintain an erection after this and have another orgasm. Now it is possible to have partial ejaculation both standard and retro.

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            • #7
              You simply have to train more and focus on positive outcome. I wouldnt make it too complicated ..

              If you reach ponr too fast after 1st DO then you are not controlling your arousal level conciously in the right way. Its hard and I failed too but its possible with training to not get carried away.
              Pegasus and minuteman have it all laid out in their topics..
              25cm! Let's go!

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              • #8
                @Pegasus, so yeah, I have stayed hard sometimes after dry orgasming, but sometimes (and more recently now) after the dry orgasm I go limp. I don't understand why, I feel like I'm doing the same thing. What is causing the retrogradr ejaculation some of those times?

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                • #9
                  Wait, no that still doesn't make sense. The ejaculation is not the cause of me going limp, it's the orgasm. Remember, like I said, whenever I ejaculate without orgasm, I stay hard and horny as hell.

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                  • #10
                    You are not listening

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                    • #11
                      If I remember well, the refractory period-prolactin release is induced by the last ejaculatory spasm, so, if you ejaculate without the spasms or if you block them with K/RK that might be the reason for no refractory. I was researching into this a while ago, so I might be wrong...
                      Starting stats - 21 May 2015: BPEL 19.5cm/7.67"
                      15 Aug 2015: BPEL 21.5cm/8.46"
                      - routine pause, just edging since -
                      5 May 2016: BPEL 22cm/8.66"
                      june 2016 BPEL 22.5cm/8.85"
                      Goal: 9" x 6" Rock Hard EQ, Big Balls, 1000+Testosterone, Max Sensitivity,
                      Master DO & MMO

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                      • #12
                        @Pegasus wow, thanks for just saying "You are not listening" and running away. Really, thanks for not helping.

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                        • #13
                          @Shivalinga thanks for trying to help! Unlike Pegasus -_- Yeah, I think you'r right! It's those spasms (involuntary kegels as some may call it) that cause me to go limp aka what cause the prolactin to release. But I still don't understand why sometimes after I dry orgasm by kegeling I go limp and sometimes I stay hard.

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                          • #14
                            One more thing @Pegasus fyi I've had partial ejaculation before with my dry orgasms on the standard (not the retrograde) and I have stayed hard those times. Are you listening to what I AM saying now??? Understand that it's not the ejaculation that causes my refractory period

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                            • #15
                              So what does cause your refractory period, which is a normal thing. What do you think?
                              The world's still a toy if you just stay a boy!

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