Question about edging

[tango1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tango1]

EDIT: I'm now using this thread as a log for myself. The log starts on post 11 (page 2) for anybody that's interested.

I'm open to suggestions and tips from anyone or happy to answer questions if anybody has any.

Hello all - happy new years.

I've seen a bit of conflicting advice through various threads and have gotten a bit confused and was hoping for a bit of clarification before I start a new years routine.

I still get IKs when I have an erection and play with my penis (without masturbating/edging) and touch certain areas. I also get IKs when edging and am nearing PONR.

Method 1:
While edging, if I go at a moderate stroke rate (1 stroke per second) with a light/moderate grip, and a low arousal level, if I do constant RKs (approx every 10 seconds and hold for approx 2 seconds) I feel like I can go for quite a while without facing an IK (but I am feeling little to no pleasure). If I feel myself getting slightly aroused, it's usually because I've forgotten to do RKs and my imagination goes off, so if I focus back on RKs (and I try to focus on lowering my arousal mentally - but I think the RKs do more of the work here), my arousal levels usually go lower again. But even in this time of higher arousal, there are no IKs (that I'm aware of).

Method 2:
However, if I let myself get to higher levels of arousal (which is when I start to feel more pleasure) by either keeping the same stroke rate/grip and using imagination or by increasing stroke rate/grip, I start to get nearer the PONR and will start to feel some IKs. Initially, I can pre-empt a few and get rid of them with RKs ,but as I continue, I have harder IKs and get nearer to PONR and will have to decrease stimulation (either slow down, or stop, or reduce grip) otherwise I will ejaculate.

Method 2 seems effective - to try and dance around the PONR, to get used to the feeling of higher arousals and pleasure without going over PONR and to try and combat IKs as best as I can.

But method 1 seems useful because it seems I'm trying to teach myself to get slightly aroused, but also learn to reduce it using RKs. (Trying to reduce my arousal in method 2 is essentially futile). But in this method, I do not know if I am actually overcoming any IKs. So I don't know if this is actually auto-correcting any reflexes I have made from my previous poor masturbation habits.

Is there a flaw in either method I haven't considered, which would actually make the other superior to it?

[zutsu401 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zutsu401]

Add Deap squat or tennis ball massage in ur routine.......

[tango1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tango1]

Thanks, I plan to do both, hopefully working my way up slowly. Any suggestions on the edging methods?

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

They both seem to have some value for you .
As you move forward with your squat, massage and out of sex rk routine IK should be less of an issue.

[tango1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tango1]

OK Thanks, my main concern was that method 1 might not be useful because the lack of arousal isn't representative of how sex is; but looking at it, I guess it makes sense to work up slowly over time to high levels of arousal. I think I'll try half a session with method 1 and half a session with method 2 and hopefully over time I will be able to control high arousal levels/ all IKs that it all just becomes one method.

I'm going to use this week to see where I'm at in terms of how long I can hold a squat, massage, and sets of RKs and then start with a good routine either Monday or just ASAP really.

Thanks for the tips guys

[dmizzle Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dmizzle]

Do all of it. Sometimes I have to kegel and go faster to get close to PONR, then Ill slow down or do RKs. You are doing it correctly in my opinion. Kegel to bring your arousal up, RK to come down a little. Eventually those IKs will go away or at least be under control.

[Mixim Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mixim]

tango1 can I ask in your topic something regarding edging??
Im sure you will benefit from it also.. Its more like recap of edging what to do / progress...

I dont really want to spam the forum with making of new threards..
Thx

[tango1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tango1]

Thanks dmizzle!

And of course Mixim ask away

[Mixim Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mixim]

Thanks dmizzle!

And of course Mixim ask away

Thhanks sorry didnt notice / was kinda busy also



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Soo lets get the edging clear... I have still a bit of confusion
Edging every day?? Or 5x-6x a week maybe enough.
Cumming 2-3x a week after edge session?

1. Beginner edging state = Start slowly "masturbating" when reaching PONR stop for a while... 1-3 mins I guess well just wait for arousal to drop down... continue then. When reaching PONR stop again for a while.... Repeat repeat repeat for 30+-mins...

Then after a few weeks / week experiment by increasing speed / incorporate glans and so on


2. Over some time.. like month or longer.. depends... when near PONR you will be able to just SLOW DOWN instead of stopping and you can keep yourself close to PONR. There im not sure do I slow down only for a few minutes and then I can go again faster???
So its like slow down would be the same as stopping ( when I was at beginner lvl ) ?? So my arousal is dropping during the "SLOW DOWN" ?

[tango1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tango1]

I'm going to try to edge every day of the week (except for the days I see my girlfriend) which will probably work out to be about 5-6 days a week as I'm on a placement in a different city. I've read that that should be OK; but I think the more you can do it, the quicker you'll get better. Kind of like practice makes perfect?

I think what you posted about slowing down later is correct. In theory anyways - it might take a bit of time to convert into practical use. I think the end game is to be able to keep going at a fast rate and being able to control arousal with RKs or mental reducing of arousal.

Until then, like you said - it will take time to work up to that stage by starting slow and increasing stroke rate/ grip over time. And if you get too aroused now, you might need to slow down and stop; but in the future, hopefully all you'll need to do is slow down (if you even have to do that).

[tango1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tango1]

Last week I was trying things out inconsistently to figure out where I am.
As of yesterday, I have started a consistent routine and I thought this would be a good place to keep track of what's been going on for my own benefit and for anybody reading that may be in a similar position.

RK routine every day:
-15 minutes of 2 second kegel, followed by 8 second reverse kegel. If time permits, another 15 minutes in the day.
-These will be light kegels and reverse kegels so as to reduce the amount of abdominal tension.
-I feel doing reverse kegels straight after a kegel is easier to feel as sometimes when doing continuous light reverse kegels, I can't really feel if I'm doing it or not, and sometimes I don't feel the bulge between my scrotum and ass.

Alternate days of tennis ball massage and deep squats:
-Sitting on chair with tennis ball in between my gooch (area between balls and ass) and chair and slowly move around so it massages the area. Have started with 15 minute sessions and will try to do at least one, maybe twice a day.
-I can only manage about 2 minutes of deep squat before my calves get super achy. But I'm gonna try it a couple times a day. I'm keeping feet shoulder width apart and then squat down with my bum as close to the ground as possible. In this position, my calves and my thighs are pretty much parallel and as close to my body as can be. With time, I'm hoping to increase the time and move my feet wider apart.

Edging every day:
-At the minute, I'm aiming for 20 minutes of continuous stimulation without reaching PONR at all. I'm trying to keep a low arousal level, which admittedly isn't very enjoyable, but I try to focus on the long term of find my plateau. I do this by RK'ing (almost constantly) and trying to mentally control my arousal. (This is my method 1 from above). I'm going to try this for a week, and then next week, incorporate my method 2 into my edging and do 20 minutes method 1 + 5 minutes method 2. Following week try to increase it to 20 minutes method 1, 10 minutes method 2. So on and so forth.

[tango1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tango1]

Log for 11/01/16 - 15/01/16

11/01/16: 2 minutes deep squat with another 2 minute deep squat later in the day. Aimed for 20 minutes edging at low arousal. Had a moderate pace (around 2-3 strokes per second) with a moderate grip. Was doing reverse kegels almost constantly to keep a low arousal. It wasn't pleasurable - but I'm trying to focus on it and let myself realise that it is pleasurable. At around 18 minutes, there were some tingles that told me I was letting myself get too aroused, so I had to slow down the pace a bit and push through some more RKs to reduce arousal. No ejaculation.

12/01/16: 15 minute tennis ball massage, 15 minutes k/rk routine (2 second kegel, 8 second reverse kegel = 90 each). Edged for about 25 minutes. I wanted to see how quickly I would get aroused if I didn't do constant RKs and so was only doing them intermittently when I actively felt myself getting more aroused (instead of just doing them continuously to prevent any arousal). Still no pleasure, but it's all about the long game. No ejaculation.

13/01/16: 3 minute deep squat, 15 minutes k/rk routine (same as above). I went back to constant RKs from the start. I'd read another thread again, reminding me that in the plateau edging, the first few stages are meant to be at low arousal. So I kept it at low arousal with constant RKs for around 20 minutes again. I then stopped RKs to see how long it would take before arousal, and after 5 minutes, wasn't any more aroused. My aim was not to be aroused so it was a good thing. Same lack of pleasure though. No ejaculation.

14/01/16: 15 minutes tennis ball massage, 15 minutes k/rk routine (same as above). 20 minute edging session with constant RKs. I was not aroused at all during this, and I am unsure how I maintained an erection tbh. At the end, I did a further 5 minutes going between kegelling to try and bring arousal up/ PONR closer and reverse kegelling to push it away. It did get me more aroused when I kegelled but I stayed quite far away from PONR. At this stage, I'm still just trying to get used to my body and figure out the subtle changes that occur when I get aroused

15/01/16: Had a day off for everything today. I was meeting up with my girlfriend and we had sex. Arguably lasted a little bit longer than average (maybe around 1 minute this time), but such a marginal difference that could have easily been chance or anything else.

[rapid Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rapid]

You Are on the right track, hopefully after couple of weeks you will last at-least 2/3 minutes in sex.
keep updating the log.

[tango1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tango1]

Thanks Rapid.

Log for 16/01/16 - 21/01/16:

The last couple days weren't my best in terms of consistency/ will power. Had a lot of work and things going on so was tired/ half-hearted for quite a bit. I could feel the deep squats getting more manageable which is a good thing. Looking to move up to 4 minutes in a couple of days. The k/rk routine seems to be working. If I push a kegel - the strength/ tension in my pelvic floor isn't as strong as it used to be. And while edging, I notice if I maintain an RK, with low arousal, I put a finger on my perineum and feel my pelvic floor is relatively relaxed. EQ is probably around 50% though at these times. But when I get more aroused, especially when I get closer to PONR - my perineum is very tense. It gradually gets more tense as I get more aroused and I'm trying to change that. I haven't been doing as much tennis ball exercise as I don't think it's very effective for me. I feel the deep squat has more of an effect. But next week I'll go back to involving tennis ball massage back into the routine. I tried edging closer to PONR these past few days - which is definitely more enjoyable. The flip side is that if I don't have enough willpower, it's too easy to give in to it and ejaculate. I know this isn't going to be an easy journey but I'm hoping next week I'll be stronger.

16/01/16: 3 minutes deep squat. 15 minutes k/rk routine (3 second kegel, 7 second immediate reverse kegel = 90 each). Edged for 10 minutes this day and was so tired from a long day that I let myself go. I knew I should have just held out for a bit longer but I ejaculated willingly.

17/01/16: 3 minutes deep squat. 15 minutes r/rk routine (same as above). Edged for 16 minutes in total: 10 minutes with intermittent reverse kegels, and then kegeled to get close to PONR and tried to edge near PONR. Edged for 6 minutes like this coming so close that I had to kegel to resist ejaculating twice. Didn't ejaculate.
18/01/16: Rest day/ was so tired/ forgot to do a routine. Edged for 20 minutes, with 10 minutes doing intermittent reverse kegels at low arousal and 10 minutes near PONR with high arousal/ pleasure. Managed to stay in control for most of it (either by slowing down or pushing hard reverse kegels if coming too near PONR) until the very end of the 10 minutes and had to push a hard kegel to resist ejaculating. Didn't ejaculate.

19/01/16: 3 minutes ds, 15 minutes k/rk routine (same as above). Edged for 14 minutes: 5 minutes low arousal with intermittent reverse kegels, and 9 minutes near PONR with high arousal. I ejaculated because of poor willpower/ not enough control.
20/01/16: 15 minutes k/rk routine. Ejaculated for 22 minutes. 15 minutes low arousal with intermittent reverse kegels. 5 with just low arousal and no reverse kegels (wanted to see how long it would take before I got aroused), and then 2 minutes near PONR until again I ejaculated because of poor willpower/ not enough control.

21/01/16: was so tired this day. no real routine done. Only edged for 7 minutes and ejaculated because I wasn't in control.

Overall, I know what I need to work on - my willpower to keep on edging and stay in control when near PONR. It's a lot more enjoyable so I prefer to just edging at low arousal, but as mentioned, I need to work on willpower.

[closed260 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close closed260]

Tango1, Willpower is related to blood sugar. So if you've had a long day or are hungry, your willpower will be in the crapper. It also gets taxed like muscles over a short time period (like minutes to hours). So dont' beat yourself up over situation like I've just described.

Set a goal for lasting 7min15sec next time (just 15 seconds longer). And if you hit that goal, take 20secs to feel the sense of accomplishment (little dose of brain happiness reward). Then set a goal for 7min30sec. If you don't make the goal, that's okay, try to hit it again next session.