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I love my fleshlight. I don't really feel perverted at all using it. Okay, maybe a little .

Keido, how long have you been edging with your fleshlight? I have actually never tried edging with it...meaning I never stop & go with it. Usually I go til I'm done with that thing. The insert I have in mine is extremely stimulating so my ability to last is not exactly "top notch." Maybe I should start doing my edging with it to prepare me for my first vajayjay. I know that thing makes me 100% erect. I guess it would be good to build stamina with - try to increase 1 minute or so each session. I guess they actually make a unit designed to help with stamina. Not sure I'm willing to dump out another $75-100 on a sex toy though ...

Another thing Keido - have you tried ditching the stretching all together? I notice reading over your log you are in a bit of a slump with gains. I'm almost ready to believe that stretching does nothing for me other than give me a nice flaccid hang. I think jelqing is the ticket for all of my gains. I guess I do a bit of a stretch when I jelq. But I think actual stretching exercises (beyond a set of basics) may have been holding me back. Ever give that some thought?

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I had dumped stretching entirely in the past, but hadn't made any gains (also I was inconsistent on a MWF schedule, missed a lot of days, wasn't doing much jelqing, etc. etc. now that I think about it). You could be right. Maybe just a set of basic 5-way stretches for 5 minutes is all you need to really loosen up the tissues and then do jelqing afterward? I've seen a lot of guys make gains in girth and length through just jelqing, hmm. But then you've got some of those guys wearing ADS and doing V stretches and things and swear they're helping them with gains, ha ha. PE's so confusing. You've also got some guys who think stretching's just for flaccid gains too.

I may try that though... I gotta admit I don't particularly like stretching, lol. When I made all of my gains I was doing a very basic routine of 5 min stretching, 10-30 min jelqing and then edging (I called it "engorging") afterward.

edit: I think the reason I've upped the stretching so much is because I based my routine entirely on wadzilla's Big Gainer over at Thunders, where he upped his jelqing AND stretching. Before that I'd never really considered doing too much stretching, but now I may just focus on the jelqing and see what gains that gives me.

I've only done edging with the Fleshlight for a couple of days here. I've had my Fleshlight for a long time (we're old pals), but it's been in a dark, cold corner for quite some time now (I don't last very long with it, so I gave up on it)... however, when I was edging consistently with it for a few weeks last year it really helped with my stamina and I remember this REALLY intense orgasm I had one time. I wanna get to a point of being multiply orgasmic, which is why I've started up my kegel exercises again, but I feel, with dedication, the Fleshlight will be great for stamina and practice for real sex.

I've got the Fleshlight STU - I don't have any of the other sleeves to compare if it helps more, but it does help with my stamina when I'm dedicated with it. It's supposed to be set up in such a way that you're able to feel the PONR coming on and can then stop before you get too close. I actually want to get the new Fleshlight cases (I've got the old school gray one) and maybe a new sleeve too, but I dunno. When I look at the cost vs reward I'm sort of like, "meehhh..." especially since I've already got a Fleshlight. It's fun though! I wanna get another one, haha.

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Routine mods:
2 sets of 30 second 5-way stretches (SO, Left, Right, Up, Down) - moderately intense pull, loosening up the tissues.
22 min Jelqing - moderate-light grip, slow strokes, going for maximal expansion
still 3 on 1 off.

Going to keep my stretching at that amount for now and just focus on jelqing for awhile. In the future I may do more stretching if I feel it's necessary, but I'm going to see where jelqing takes me.

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Keido do you have the static stretcher just wondering cause I thought you said you did on another post. If so do you use it?

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I hate wearing ADS, so no I don't use it, but it is probably the best ADS I've used (also used (noose & strap), VacExtender). I've not used it long enough to see gains though and I've never used the Heavy Duty static stretcher, just the medium one. The Lite version never worked for me (too much skin or something).

I'm also trying to work my smooth muscle with more impaction-oriented (girth) exercises right now so an ADS would be kind of counter productive.

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Day 2/3:
Did my session in the early pre-noon hours today, I've noticed my EQ's been kinda junky today and during my session as well. Not entirely sure why this is, but if my EQ hasn't improved by tomorrow then I'm going to take a few days off and come back with a lighter jelqing routine of perhaps 15 min.

I did shorter strokes (3-5 sec) today and felt a good pump from that, my glans did not go purple or cold during the session, only a dark red at the most and they were still warm throughout. I think the longer strokes may not be optimal for me in that way, then. I'm going to try to get a good rhythm of firm, slow jelqing going since I'm working my smooth muscle primarily right now. I was considering trying faster smooth strokes to see how I react to that though. My flaccid always shrinks down to about the same size as my normal flaccid post-jelq, only slightly more vascular, so I want to dial in my jelqing technique in such a way as to get a good post-jelq hang. I was thinking about trying high erection jelqing to see what sort of hang I get from that. My EQ, as I mentioned before, wasn't very good during my session today and so I was mostly around 30-60%u0025 during jelqing today.

I think that lower erection jelqing may not be optimal for me. I find this to be the reason I feel the jelq device isn't entirely effective for me, since I have trouble getting a good erection level with the device; if I could remedy that then I think the jelq device would serve me quite well.

I'm trying to dial in my EQ first right now, so my sessions are optimal for me.

To do this, I'll:
- stop masturbating unless it's the post-session ballooning w/ the Fleshlight
- refrain from ejaculating as much as possible
- work my kegels: 30 second holds, during my ballooning sessions (perhaps some reps periodically throughout the day too)
- dial in my rest:work ratio and try to find an optimal on/off scheme for myself

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My EQ's been pretty junky so I'm gonna take a few days off to see if it improves. If it does I'm considering scaling back my routine to one set of 5-way stretches and 10 min of jelqing on a 5 on / 2 off schedule and seeing where that takes me. I may try not adding any volume to it for awhile to see what kind of gains I get from that.

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Multiple days off with no jerking off sends my EQ through the roof. Hopefully it does the same for you Keido!

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Future plan:

- Taking the following week off for recovery, returning EQ

- After this, doing a new routine - 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off
5 on / 2 off (weekdays on / weekends off)
One set of 5-way stretches, each rep held for 30 seconds
10 minutes of Jelqing - smooth, faster strokes (2-3 seconds); done with Overhand OK grip sitting up.

Progression:
Every 2 weeks that I do not gain I will add 2 minutes on to the jelqing time and one set of 5-way stretches.
I will measure every 1-2 weeks either Sunday or Monday.

Kegels will be done periodically throughout the day, never to failure. 1-2 second kegels and 5-10 second kegels will be done for now.
I will refrain from ejaculation except for the weekends.
I may do 10+ min of ballooning after my session, depending on PI's.


Also to note, I may extend this week-long break into May or so, we'll see how I feel. An extended break might be a bit beneficial for me right now.

edit: Tomorrow (04-10-09) I'm going to begin supplementing with 120mg of Ginkgo Biloba daily.

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Putting a note here that my EQ has improved today.

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I found my old PE notes from when I first started out, took a look through them:

Began May 21/07
Days on [MWF schedule @ 5 min stretch, 100 wet jelqs*]:
MAY 21, 23, 25
28, 30, Jun 1
"Stage 2 P.E." 5 on / 2 off: **
W3: Jun 4 - 8
W4: Jun 11 - 15; measured on Jun 11 (measurement #1) - gained 1/4" ***
W5: Jun 18 - 22
W6: 5X50 Jelqs, Jun 25-29
W7: July 2 - 6
W8: Measurement #2, July 9 - 13 - gained 1/4"
W9: 6x50 Jelqs, July 16 - 20
W10: July 23 - 27
W11: July 30 - Aug 3
W12: Measurement #3 ... gained 1/4"
Sep 3: "Measure #4" ... gained 1/4"
Oct 1: Measure #5
Nov 5: Measurement #6
Dec 10: Measurement #7

* Each stroke is counted as one rep, not JP's method of 2 strokes = 1 rep. 1 stroke = 1 rep in my notes.
** I'm assuming I added a set of jelqs here to hit 150, while also bumping up to a 5 on / 2 off routine.
** Also I believe I went to 200 (4X50) wet jelqs here. I don't think I went from 2X50 wet jelqs to 5X50 in W6, I would have gradually added to my count - looks like every two weeks.

I don't remember ever stacking time on to stretching throughout my entire routine in these months, but I do remember trying some Holds (Ulis) at 30 seconds per hold because I wasn't gaining in girth at all - this was later on. I never did more than 5 minutes of holds. I don't think I ever added on to the jelqing after 6x50... I may have switched over to timed sessions of 20 minutes of jelqing. I never did more than 20 minutes of jelqing because I had read that more than 20 minutes wasn't effective. I remember adding in an Extender at some point, let me see if I can find the receipt for it... fuck me I spent $350 on that extender! !#$%. ahem... 7/2/07 is the month I ordered the extender. I remember using it same day I got it, so probably a week or so after that. So yes, about 2 months after starting I implemented an extender into my routine. I remember getting generally 6 hours on average from it. Painful thing. Man, I've spent a lot of money on P.E. Haha, I just remembered that my bank got frozen from that too (irregularly high charge, so they auto-froze it for security reasons) - so I had to tell my Dad what I had ordered, hahaha that was embarrassing as hell.

I found this note where I weighed myself in at 266.8 / 35.6% BF back in Sep '07, so my nutrition was shit back then too. I don't think that made any difference in my gains, then, at least. I can only have an improvement from cleaning up my diet now.

I didn't know of PI's or EQ or anything of that sort so I never kept track of those, but I distinctly remember having raging boners all the time and doing "engorging" (edging) post-workout. I also refrained from ejaculation as much as possible because I was told that it was bad for gains.

I took a decon break in December until Jan 7, where I started doing lots of different routines in hopes that I would start gaining again. I ended up losing most of my gains because I never focused on a simple, progressive routine. I've decided to remedy that right now.


I'm going to take a 6 week deconditioning break. I will start up again on May 18. That's only a few days off from a full 2 years of P.E. with only 1/4" - 1/2" of gains to show. Damn, that's kind of a sad thought. My new routine is going to implement micro cycles and macro cycles of rest - I will do a micro cycle of 5 days on / 2 days off [I've made most, if not all, of my gains on this rest day scheme]. The macro cycle will be 6 weeks on / 2 weeks off. I believe that with this strategic rest and a progressive routine I will see gains without plateauing. I will begin with 5 min of stretching, two sets of 5-way stretches (N, S, E, W, SO) @ 30 sec per stretch; moderately intense force - enough to feel a stretch, but not enough to feel any pain. I'll start out with 10 minutes of jelqing. I will do my stretching cold while my heating pad warms up, then do 5 minutes of heat before jelqing and after jelqing. Jelqing will be done with moderate force, smooth flowing motion, overhand OK, sitting up, generally 3 sec per stroke - focusing on the quality of jelqing rather than total time. I will do 5-10 minutes of "engorging" after my workout to fill the chambers with blood and expand my penis as fully as possible. Weekly I will add one minute on to my total jelqing time. After the 2 weeks off I will subtract the previous 3 week's addition (3 min) from total time rather than going back to 10 minutes of jelqing.

For now I won't be adding to my stretching count. I may change this in the future depending on results. Kegels will be done periodically throughout the day, 7-12 second holds.

I'm interested to see what effect this 6 week break will have for me. My EQ might go up more than I've thought it could previously, perhaps morning wood will return, don't know. I'm going to continue kegeling and perhaps do edging during this deconditioning break, actually. I won't take any supplements for now to see what my EQ is like without artificial enhancement. I guess this break will give me more time to focus on getting my diet and exercise routine in order.

I'm not going to measure until before I begin my new routine. I'm kind of looking at this as a "I'm a newbie again" sort of thing, particularly since recently I've been really confused about my previous measurements because I think I wasn't measuring "real" gains; my new measuring technique has remedied that and I can get much more consistent, real, measurements, but that has been quite the downer for me recently. It makes me wonder if I would have measured in at 6.75" BPEL originally rather than 7" though.

I was looking at my previous "holy crap I've made gains!" moments and noticed that I hit 8" BPEL in two weeks on a routine of 10 min stretching & 10 min jelqing 7 days per week, but noticed that I injured myself soon after 2 weeks of going on to 12min stretching/12min jelqing, I believe this was because of going without rest days and possibly because of the stretching. I think it won't take much for me to make gains, so I want to do a lighter progressive routine where I'm not adding monsterous amounts of load onto my routine. I want to do the minimum amount of work required to make gains - also, I believe that using too much force and volume will be detrimental to gains (meaning you don't get 'em) and makes you plateau faster. I hit that supposed 8.25" BPEL after 10 weeks of work - doing 18 min stretching / 23 min jelqing at the time, but I wonder now if it wasn't so much the amount of work I was doing but rather the consistency of which I was doing it. Also, I injured myself quickly after that so I think this slower progressive routine will work much better for me.

Just so you guys see what I'm talking about, since this isn't in my log [note: all weeks are "7 days on", no rest]:
Week 1: 10 min jelq / 10 min stretch --- started 7.5" bpel
Week 2: 10 min jelq / 10 min stretch --- * reached 7.75" bpel at the end of week 1
Week 3: 12 min jelq / 12 min stretch --- * reached 8" bpel watching porn at the end of week 2
Week 4: 12 min jelq / 12 min stretch --- 8" bpel; lousy EQ here & there this week, also felt some pain in shaft
Week 5: 14 min jelq / 14 min stretch ---
Week 6: 6 min jelq / 6 min stretch FOR TWO DAYS --- then took the rest of the week off because of pain in shaft
Week 7: off
Week 8: 6 min jelq / 6 min stretch ONE DAY - then 12 min jelq / 12 min stretch for four days, then 20 min jelq / 15 min stretch for the rest of the week --- was 7 7/8" at the end of the week
Week 9: 20 min jelq / 15 min stretch --- 8" bpel mid-week, 8 1/8" at the end of the week
Week 10: 23 min jelq / 18 min stretch (did 24 min near end of week) --- reached 8.25" bpel at the end of this week
Week 11: 25 min jelq / 24 min stretching
Then I ran into the issue of my thinking that I was fudging my gains with the ruler. Also, there is the possibility of all of the supplements I was taking at the time making my EQ higher than it ought to have been with that load of work I was doing - meaning, the supplements were giving me great EQ while I was killing my dick with that much work. Anyway my notes are strange, but it looks like I cut down to 10 min of jelqing & 5 min of stretching for a week, took different measurements with a tape measurer (7.75"), but fell back into inconsistent routines after this. I think my "improper measurements" really hit me for a loop.

Well, now I'm taking a deconditioning break and I will start back with a new routine. I'm hoping that the third year is the charm, ha ha.

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Way to go dude, your doing great... hmmmm I wish PE was a more is more theory ^^ but we know it's not . Looking in your log give me fuel to continue PE. Thanks

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I'm glad my log's helping people out, epsilon. On the other hand of the "more is more", you can always look at "less is more" as good because it's less time consuming in a day (20 minutes of exercises as opposed to an hour of exercises per day).


- Putting a note in here that my flaccid has been very loose and full the later half of the day today. It's been plumper and actually I would say slightly darker (purplish) in the glans, and the tip of the glans could be warmer. I think that this extended break is going to be good for me. I'm considering the possibility that I may be too overworked, that I haven't given my penis enough quality rest for a long time now and that this break is going to really help me out. I've mentioned that I have some very small bruises on my glans (pinprick size), I'm going to see if those begin to clear up at all during this break. If they do fade, but don't fade entirely by the time the 6 weeks are up, I may take more time off until they fade completely. I think that would be a good sign that my penis is entirely healed up. We'll see what happens.

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My flaccid's actually been much smaller than when I'm on a consistent routine. It's funny, I didn't ever really think that my flaccid had been increased from my jelqing and stretching, but apparently it was. There's a noticeable difference in my flaccid size with this much time off. It's much less girthy and doesn't hang as long. My flaccid continues to be very loose and soft though.

I believe my EQ's improved, but I've been slightly low sex drive lately. I'm adjusting to my diet and exercise routine, also my mind hasn't been in that "sex mode" since I started my decon break. It's been awhile since I've taken an extended break from PE and I think my libido is much higher when I'm on a consistent PE routine. I'm finding these funny things I hadn't noticed while on a routine for the past 2 years! I guess it just became so normal, like my flaccid size boost, that I didn't notice it after awhile.

I've settled on a new final post-PE size: 9" bp x 6" eg. That way I can err on the side of huge-but-not-too-huge (girth) and if I find a long-term girlfriend I can figure out if she wants to take a larger size.

I was reading a book on Mastery today, which I read in part because I am a lazy person and have trouble sticking to a good art study routine, but I found it to hit well with PE too. It's all about enjoying the path that you're on rather than thinking solely of the destination - we're too goal oriented (I'm very bad about this). Also, that we have successes in boosts and plateaus and that we ought to learn to enjoy the plateau (this is for learning skills, but I think would be a good mentality for PE too - provided you break the plateau eventually, though it may take time). I'm going to instill this philosophy in a lot of things in my life now.

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I'm getting kinda bored of my deconditioning break. My EQ's been pretty lousy, which makes me think perhaps I'm deconditioned enough. It spiked for a bit there and then started dropping. I remember sparkyx mentioning something about that, that that's a sign that you should start your routine up again, but I don't know if I'm remembering that correctly. I may start up next week instead of May 18.