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Routine mods!:

Morning: 10 stretches: all held for 1 minute.
Straight Out
Left
Right
Up
Down - I'm going to make this a BTC stretch
10.30 o'clock (between 10 and 11) [depending on how I like these I may add in a 4.30 and 7.30]
1.30 o'clock (between 1 and 2)
V Stretch (across knuckles)
Inverted V (across knuckles)
Bundled (one twist)
Rotary stretch left for 25 circles
Rotary stretch right for 25 circles

Night: 4 fingered squeezes, 10 min of jelqing done with an Underhand OK grip lying on back. 3-5 second strokes, done with 80% erection. Strong grip.


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Today's report:

I ejaculated last night, humbug. My EQ's been really high with this split routine all of a sudden. Self-discipline! Self-discipline!

I'm gonna aim for 2 weeks without ejaculation right now. So on April 3rd I'll allow myself to ejaculate if I feel the need to.

Anyway, I skipped the warm up with my stretching this morning (I felt pretty warm from the bed sheets), but I think I'll stick with a warm up from here on out. The heat from my heating pad is much superior to just warmth from the bed sheets. My stretching session was a little lacking because I kept getting erect during my stretches, but I managed to finish it all. Took awhile, had to wait for my erection to die down a few times, but I finished it.

I felt a very good stretch with the left stretch and also my new BTC stretch was an interestingly efficient stretch, I really felt a stretch at the base of my penis.

Didn't feel much from the rotary stretches. I'm gonna go slower with them and have a bit more force on the pull tomorrow.


Notes:
Measured 8.25" BPFSL today.

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Reading those threads from Thunders makes me think about my own situation and why I seemingly cannot gain length. I don't know how these people gain length with only jelqing. It honestly shocks me almost to the point where I don't believe it. Braindrain is another Thunders member where he accredits all of his length to jelqing. It's so bizarre.

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I've made all of my length gains from jelqing too, I'd say. I haven't gained girth before, and back when I gained my 1" in length I only did about 5-10 minutes of stretching and 20-30 minutes of jelqing. What grip do you use when you jelq? I've always done an overhand OK grip, which I think attributes to better length gains in my case. I'm giving the underhand OK grip (also known as the Standard OK grip) a shot now, to see if I can get some girth gains from that.

On the other hand you've got a guy like wadzilla who can't gain length very easily at all, but takes to girth gains quite well - I don't know what he ended up doing, I think it was actually Mem's routine, let me check...

ah, I found his PE recap: My PE Journey: Gains, Workouts, Tips - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

You may want to give that a read, may give you some insights for length gains.

Also this: 16 minutes to a Great Stretch - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

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When I jelq, I take one hand and stretch the penis out at the 9:00 position. Then I grip at the base with the other hand and slowly jelq up with moderate pressure. I keep the stretching hand there until my jelqing hand is almost there. It forms a nice bubble in between the two hands. I also focus nearly all of my pressure on the top and bottom of my penis. I get awesome expansion from jelqing, which is my goal. I guess it's conducive for girth gains.

But I will read those two threads. Thanks!

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Sounds like you've got the jelqing down pat for girth gains, which is great (girth's more important than length for the ladies!). I've got a question for you - when you finish your stretching workout is your BPFSL longer than normal? I usually try to get 1/4 - 1/2" longer BPFSL than my normal BPFSL (for example, I'm 8.25 bpfsl and I try to get 8.5 - 8.75 bpfsl) post-workout, usually that's a sign that it's doing the trick. (BPFSL is "bone pressed flaccid stretched length").

I'm actually going to see if my current stretching routine is giving me a boost in BPFSL afterward and if it's not I'm going to up the duration I do my stretches until I do see some size increase.


Some routine change-up notes for right now: I'm going to be using my Fleshlight as a fulcrum for my V and inverted V stretches instead of my hand - it flattens out my penis and I feel a better stretch with it (8.5" circumference) than I do from using my hand. I'm going to be working the V & inverted V stretches to see what kind of maximal stretch I can get from them because I don't feel that I'm using them to their potential currently.

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I've got a question for you - when you finish your stretching workout is your BPFSL longer than normal?

Well, this morning and the previous morning I had a SUPER flaccid after stretching. I didn't exactly measure it, but I would say it is definitely longer than normal. I'll check the actual measurement of stretched flaccid tomorrow. The stretching routine that I have done my last two sessions seems really solid. I think it might work and it's extremely similar to wad's routine ideas. I just do it more and hold longer (which I believe to be good). I think with stretching, more is better (wad seems to agree as well). Now I'm just trying to decide whether I should jelq first, stretch first, or split them up entirely to AM and PM sessions. I thought the consensus on split sessions was leaning negative though...?

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There's a lot of back-and-forth on split sessions. Check out Mem's routine that is a split routine, he gained 1.75" in 5 months on this. I'm currently testing out a split routine for myself, so I can't say "it's great" or "it's bad" or "it's so-so" yet, but plenty of guys have gained on split routines. Is it better or worse than one large daily session? Don't know... I like the idea of more frequent stimulation adding to gains though. You can check out Mem's routine for more on his split routine: Mem's Momentous Rapid Gain Mechanism - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

I think the biggest reason I've changed to a split routine is that I can make my sessions a higher quality because I can sort of concentrate better on my technique, intensity, etc. for two 30 minute sessions a day rather than one long 1 hour session.

Also DLD, who gained 2" in his first 6 months, did a split routine (from what I can tell) of length in the morning and girth-work (jelqing) at night. This is of course whether you believe DLD or not, since there's a lot of conspiracy behind his gains over on Thunders.

I've heard of a lot of random guys who did two sets of jelqing (morning / night) making very good gains though, so a split routine has sort of been in the back of my mind for awhile now. Whether or not it's superior I have no idea, but it kind of saves on time for me so I think I'll be more consistent with it and I believe that, more than anything, is important.

Also make sure your measurement is your maximum flaccid stretched length, rather than just what your floppy flaccid length is. Just wanted to make sure I was clear on that, heh.

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So update on my routine - I decided to do jelqing in the tub tonight (I still prefer to do it in the comfort of my bed and my heating pad gives me a better warm up), switched things up and did 200 reps of 2 second strokes. I had this gigantic MONSTER flaccid, hanging long and really thick and vascular for a few minutes afterwards... then it went to a semi-normal (still somewhat pumped) flaccid. I must dial in my jelqing so that I keep that monster flaccid, dammit! I think I'm gonna stick with faster strokes for a little while here, see what kind of results I get from that. I did enjoy the underhand OK grip too, but my hands got friggin' SORE. I don't know if this was because of the faster jelqs or the underhand OK grip, but I've got to condition my fingers/hands to be able to handle more jelqing, ha ha.

I'm wondering if I condition my BC muscle more that I may keep that post-jelq pump longer, perhaps? I've been pretty lazy about kegels the past few days, really, since I haven't had a set routine for them.

So I did the math and 200 x 2 sec strokes = 6.6~ minutes (let's say 7 minutes because I probably had some 3 sec strokes in there), which isn't even my 10 minutes, although I may possibly do less strokes in a 10 minute time-set because of switching hands, etc. so actually that's probably about right on the jelqing time I usually do.

I'm going to do the 2-3 second strokes tomorrow, under a time limit (10 minutes), see what sort of expansion I get from that. The day after that I'll do some strong, slow jelqs and see if I get the same or better expansion from that.

Oh, I forgot to do my 4-fingered squeezes today! Oh well.

Tomorrow, I'm going to do as much stretching as it takes to get a BPFSL bonus. I'll do my normal 10 minutes first, then (if I don't have a BPFSL expansion) I'll do 5 more minutes and continue 5 minute intervals until I get a BPFSL increase of at least 1/4". I'll use that time as my future minimum stretching time.

For jelqing I'm going to keep it at 10 minutes until I feel it's necessary to up the time. Kind of curious to see how these faster strokes will effect me. I don't know if they're more intense for my penis, but they sure as hell kill my hands, ha ha.

I'm gonna try to do a minimum of 5 minutes of "engorging" (getting 110% erection) after my jelqing, to see if that helps with expansion post-jelq.

Kegel routine, done before bed:
25 x 10 second Kegels interspered with 5 second reverse kegels (so I do a 10 second hold, 5 sec reverse, 10 sec hold, 5 sec reverse, etc.)
2 x 30 second kegels
One 60 second kegel

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Yeh I would think the heating pad would be better, I'm noticing my hands are sometimes sore aswell think I might start taking glocosamine or something.

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Determined my LOT to be 6 o'clock... not really a surprise there! So I think I'll try a BTC stretch again tomorrow and see if I get a good stretching feeling from it, but if not I may not bother with anything below 9 o'clock.

Read these length-oriented gain tips for stretching on Thunders today... kind of interesting, actually... I may try this some time instead of having a set amount of stretches... perhaps advance into a V/inverted V stretch that's held for a long time... say, giving myself 10-20 minutes and just go at stretching, finding my "weakness" as it were and stretching that until it's worked out, then going into another one... hmm... ideas, ideas.

Lets talk about length gains - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums
When you stretch, your not doing somebody elses routine, your doing it because you FEEL it stretching, you KNOW it is stretching because you can feel it. If you've taken a couple days off of PE, or even a week, what is that feeling you get when you do your first stretching session since getting better? That should be the "stretching" feeling you feel every time you stretch until you've hit about 10-15 reps, after that your just stretching it to keep the your ligaments loose and 'stretched.' You don't ONLY have to go "1 stretch up, 1 stretch left, 1 stretch down, 1 stretch right, etc..." because somebody else does it, you stretch where you find that you get that "stretching" feeling (that I just mentioned above) the most.

When your stretching, try to move your 'unit' around until you find an angle where you get that "stretching" feeling (that I mentioned above) again and finish out your rep. until that "stretching" feeling isn't there. If you find that if you stretch in the same angle 9 reps later and you get that "stretching" feeling again, don't get upset thinking you didn't stretch it right the first time; all your 'unit' is telling you is "Hey, ha ha you stretched me but your going to have to stretch me from this angle again if your going to keep my ligaments really loose and make me bigger" - yes it will actually speak to you if your lucky and you listen really really closely. If your unit is just completely used to stretching, I'm sure there is an angle that you haven't tried before, an "extreme stretch" you haven't tried before. Have you tried "BTC" (Between The Cheeks)? If your unit doesn't get that "stretching" feeling it must be able to take more, and when you give it more you should get a "stretching" feeling... unless you get a "oh sh*t this hurts," then you better stop because you only got 1 unit.

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I would reccomend a stretch I read about on here several months back.

Essentially stand up, put one foot on a table, and stretch your penis down your other leg, pull as hard as you can for 60 seconds. Then switch legs and do the same. Repeat 5 times on each leg.

You should feel an incredible dull ache around the ligs.

I've been doing this on and off for a few months now and attribute it to most of my gains. I no longer feel any dull ache when doing this excersize which leads me to believe I have gained as much as I can from it.

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Another thing to consider is your limiting factors. When you pull out your penis in the direction you want it to grow, what structure feels tightest? This is the structure you need to stretch. Find your limiting factors. Divide and subdivide. Keep dividing until you conquer.

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Testing LOT Theory - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

Read this thread... hoo boy, took me awhile, but I've learned quite a lot, I think, and have decided not to worry about the LOT theory for myself (I actually never have, to be honest), but I do find Modesto's assertion that ligament gains are paltry (0.2" at the most?) and that most of the "lig gains" from PE'ers are actually just from being able to press the ruler in deeper.

This doesn't change much for me, except that now I won't be focusing on downward stretching for lig gains and I'm going to focus more on V stretches, A stretches, etc. that really target the tunica. I think that I'll do downward stretching only if I can FEEL a stretch from it.

I'm putting this here in case someone else benefits from the information in that thread.

However this is may be my new measuring method:

This means, by the way, that we should change the standard measuring method.

Introducing the TPSMM 2.0 (Thunder's Place Standard Measuring Method 2.0):

Take hard ruler, extend from pubic bone along the penis angle. Now rotate the ruler along it's length axis 90 degrees, so that the scribed section of the ruler is against the upper side of the shaft, along the middle (makes for easier reading). Now the ruler will not be able to slip in further down the p.s. bone (illusory gains due to lig lengthening) but will rest against the outer most part of the p.s. Maybe not as fun a measurement as the old one, but changes will be accurate over time, since the p.s. isn't moving.

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Interesting thread, are you going to stretch mostly your limiting factor from now on keido?

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I'm going to be putting most of my focus on lengthening the tunica. Right now I'm keeping with a set amount of stretches, but I may try that "focus on your limiting factor" technique (where you stretch in all angles, trying to find where you feel a stretch, and then hold that stretch for awhile) at some point. Though, now that I think about it, the "limiting factor" technique may actually be a ligament focus technique, but if you only get a 0.2" (actual) boost from ligaments, it would be wiser to just focus on tunica stretching (V, A, SO, SU).

Hmm.

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Measured BPFSL with my the new measuring technique: 8". *twitch* That's about a 1/4 - 1/2" loss from what I was measuring with the old technique, irk.

I'm going to have to take a new BPEL measurement now. ... I may be losing 1/4 - 1/2" on that measurement as well (sigh). I'll do that tomorrow or Sunday, probably.

In light of my new focus-on-the-tunica stretching:
*** NEW STRETCHING ROUTINE ***
One minute per stretch.

Straight Out Left
Straight Out Center
Straight Out Right

Straight Up Left
Straight Up Center
Straight Up Right

V Stretch (w/ Fleshlight)
Inverted V (w/ Fleshlight)

Downward - BTC
Bundled