Boxo Progress Log

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I'm relatively new to PE as I just completed my third week (so I am still a newbie). My point of writing this progress thread is mainly to keep myself honest and keep track of everything I do. An auxiliary point is everyone can enjoy it.

When I started ~3 weeks back, I took measurements. However, I feel as if my measurement style has changed thus causing "gains" when there might be no gains. But, now that I've found this easily replicable measuring method, my measurements should be more accurate. So, any gains from THIS point must be gains, or I've found a new way to cheat myself at measuring.

My Starting Stats (3/23/09):
NBEL: 5.5 inches
EG: 4.75 inches
BPFSL: 16.9-17.0cm (estimated number based on second week BPFSL length)
(remember: inaccurate measuring is possible here)

Currently (4/12/09):
BPFSL: 18.0cm
EG: ~4.9 inches

Now the astute might realize that there is a discrepancy in measuring standards, mainly the switch from cm to inches. This occurred because, during my second week, I realized it is probably better to measure in cm since gains are slightly more noticeable and working with a 1/10 scale is easier. However, girth is still measured in inches. I should change that from now on. All measurements will be, from here on out, will be bonepressed and in cm to insure accuracy!

Now that measurements are out of the way, the routine is what matters! My entire routine is done in the shower. I use a 2 day on, 1 day off structure.

Routine:

1. ~5 minutes of warm up in the shower. I know this number is short, but I live in a suite with three other people. Taking 60 minute showers is not an option.
2. 30 second flaccid stretches: out, right, up, down, left.
3. Stretching where I make circles. There is a proper term for this, but I cannot remember it.
4. ~10 minutes of wet jelqing. Overhand OK grip. 3-5 seconds each. ~30-50% erection. Medium pressure, meaning that I can see and feel the blood being forced into my head. I used to do a rep system, but now base it on minute. I think I'm going to switch back to reps.
5. Shake my penis about 25 times.
6. 15 JAI stretches in each direction.
7. Short cool down period involving running cold water over my penis while stretching it out. The temperature of the water is probably in the 40s/50s.

My routine has some variation in it, but this is the basic formula all follow from. In between these "steps" there is often a 'keep warm' period where I let the hot water run over my penis while I wash. Also, as you will probably notice, my routine is not set by time limits. Sometimes, my jelqing period only lasts 7 mintes for example. This is inescapable due to how/where I exercise. Also, on occasion, I do some helicopters (I think they are called that) to get some blood back. pending how I feel. Also, I tend to edge at various times throughout the day, almost always with ejaculation. Sometimes, I even do it immediately after my cool down.

I do not have any long-run or short-run objectives, since I feel setting goals will be detrimental to me. So, the best way to summarize my goals would be: bigger and healthier.

Normally doing this routine, I get no PIs, negative or positive. I can feel as if I'm doing some, and I am pretty sure I have had modest gains.

Comments/Suggestions?

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That's a lot of Jais. I only do Jais in one direction. Look at the guide. Doesn't mention doing the Jai in multiple directions, just straight out.

I would warm up with a rice sock for longer. This is what I do. I tell people who see (my roommate) that it's a cheap hot and cold pad for my sore muscles and then close my door and turn up the music. Go with reps and try to increase the amount of time per rep. Maybe even a bed fowfer for the cool down will help.

You need sleep too. Otherwise it's not gonna help much. 8 hours.

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boxo: Welcome to the Gym!

Regarding the no PIs, you do have one: Gains. Good to hear about what you've gained thus far. You'll want to gradually add a bit more to your workout each week to keep the penis from "adapting" so to say. Adding more time will work over the next few weeks.

Also, great log first log post: Informative, broken down, and reflective.

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That's a lot of Jais. I only do Jais in one direction. Look at the guide. Doesn't mention doing the Jai in multiple directions, just straight out.

I would warm up with a rice sock for longer. This is what I do. I tell people who see (my roommate) that it's a cheap hot and cold pad for my sore muscles and then close my door and turn up the music. Go with reps and try to increase the amount of time per rep. Maybe even a bed fowfer for the cool down will help.

You need sleep too. Otherwise it's not gonna help much. 8 hours.

I'm glad to know that about JAIs. I will modify my routine to include only out. Getting the rice sock might be hard. I might switch to the "hot water cup" I've read about until school is over. When I return home, I can use an electric heating pad. If I may ask, why did you mention sleep? I sleep A LOT, especially for a college student.

boxo: Welcome to the Gym!

Regarding the no PIs, you do have one: Gains. Good to hear about what you've gained thus far. You'll want to gradually add a bit more to your workout each week to keep the penis from "adapting" so to say. Adding more time will work over the next few weeks.

Also, great log first log post: Informative, broken down, and reflective.

Firstly, thanks for the welcome!
Secondly, thanks for the compliment. I try to take pride in my writing, even if it is an online forum.
Thirdly, the issue with the PIs and gains is that I'm not sure that I actually have gained-- that I'm just not willing gains by messing with my measurements. In order to prevent this, I've switched to BPFLS as that seems to be the one that is hardest to fake.

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Just a quick add:
BPEL: ~17.5cm

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I'm glad to know that about JAIs. I will modify my routine to include only out. Getting the rice sock might be hard. I might switch to the "hot water cup" I've read about until school is over. When I return home, I can use an electric heating pad. If I may ask, why did you mention sleep? I sleep A LOT, especially for a college student.

Happy to help . If you can't get a rice sock the hot towel is an option. I just think the rice sock is more discreet if you're concerned about that like I am. My mentioning sleep was more of a projection, haha.

Keep up the routine. You're gonna go far bud. remek is right, I missed the most important positive PI. For me I do M W F for my workouts, with the remaining days in my week for rest. Works great for me. My penis is exhausted after my routine today. But if you're gaining keep at it. You taking any supplements? I didn't see anything about that. Might help with blood flow and assist you with healing and gains.

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Happy to help . If you can't get a rice sock the hot towel is an option. I just think the rice sock is more discreet if you're concerned about that like I am. My mentioning sleep was more of a projection, haha.

Keep up the routine. You're gonna go far bud. remek is right, I missed the most important positive PI. For me I do M W F for my workouts, with the remaining days in my week for rest. Works great for me. My penis is exhausted after my routine today. But if you're gaining keep at it. You taking any supplements? I didn't see anything about that. Might help with blood flow and assist you with healing and gains.

No I do not take supplements. I also do not really have a healthy diet, but it is improving. Actually, I think healthy is relative here. It is probably healthier than the average US diet, but that is not something to be proud of.

Oddly, after my routines, I never find that penis feels exhausted. Most people talk about this, but I do not understand it. I could do my routine and then edge twice in a day and still feel like nothing happened. The only thing that hurts is my fat pad from pressing in the ruler so many times to make sure it actually reads 18cm.

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Update (x3!)
Good news: I'm now at a BPFSL of 18.3cm. So a .3cm gain in 4 days seems pretty good to me.

Bad news: We have guests visiting the suite. So my comfy suite of 4 is now 7, meaning I probably will not be able to exercise until they leave.
Thus, I'm taking a break of around 2 days instead of 1. I know, horrible.

Worse news: Even though I get 18.3cm right now, I do not always get 18.3cm. The fear of this not working is always present; that somehow I'm tricking myself into seeing these marginal (yet, potentially significant) gains.

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Love the internet. Found a converter. 7.2" BPFSL sounds like you're penis can get pretty big when fully erect. I would agree with health being relative. I would recommend taking the supplements as JP recommends in his beginner routine. It mainly helps with the healing process, but also increases blood flow. Unfortunately only about 20-30% of supplements taken are absorbed by the body, at least the cheap kind that is, so you gotta take them regularly.

As long as you have positive PIs you're going to be fine, and you're still gaining. Put the ruler down. Stop measuring so much, otherwise that doubt of yours is going to grow and grow. Trust me, I've been there and it's not good times.

Because of the mass number of bodies in that complex, I would try to get the most out of any routine you can get in. You sound like a more is more kinda person, to an extent. Try increasing the number of jelqs and even the time each rep takes you.

Wet Jelqing. Do you do V-Jelqs as well?

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Love the internet. Found a converter. 7.2" BPFSL sounds like you're penis can get pretty big when fully erect. I would agree with health being relative. I would recommend taking the supplements as JP recommends in his beginner routine. It mainly helps with the healing process, but also increases blood flow. Unfortunately only about 20-30% of supplements taken are absorbed by the body, at least the cheap kind that is, so you gotta take them regularly.

As long as you have positive PIs you're going to be fine, and you're still gaining. Put the ruler down. Stop measuring so much, otherwise that doubt of yours is going to grow and grow. Trust me, I've been there and it's not good times.

Because of the mass number of bodies in that complex, I would try to get the most out of any routine you can get in. You sound like a more is more kinda person, to an extent. Try increasing the number of jelqs and even the time each rep takes you.

Wet Jelqing. Do you do V-Jelqs as well?

Considering my BPFSL is 18.3cm and my BPEL is ~17.5cm, the difference is ~1cm. This means the difference in inches is < .5 inches. Thusly, according to TCG theory (or is it TGC?), I'm fine. That said, I do need to work on my EQ as getting to 100% is surprisingly difficult, but it always has been. I will try some L-Argantine or however it is spelled when I return home.

Related note: I personally feel as if my there is a large discrepancy between my BP and NBP measurements.

I do not really feel like I have positive PIs, that is always the issue. However, I am going to put down the ruler for 2 weeks, in order to see if there really is a difference. This will also make me feel psychologically better. It is win-win.

I do Wet Jelqing in the showers, but I do not do V-Jelqs. Frankly, I find them a bit confusing. I've started to increase the time it takes me to do my jelqs.

-UPDATE-
Overall, I've found that I have a larger than normal red dot on, what appears to be, the skin of my penis. As in I can move around the skin and the dot moves. Maybe it moving around is normal or not. But, I am taking it as a sign to take a few days off. Or, if anything, just do some light manual stretching.

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Related note: I personally feel as if my there is a large discrepancy between my BP and NBP measurements.

Try this method for BP measurement - it takes out the chance that you press into the groove below the pubic bone that gives you more BP measurement than you ought to have:

Take hard ruler, extend from pubic bone along the penis angle. Now rotate the ruler along it's length axis 90 degrees, so that the scribed section of the ruler is against the upper side of the shaft, along the middle (makes for easier reading). Now the ruler will not be able to slip in further down the p.s. bone (illusory gains due to lig lengthening) but will rest against the outer most part of the p.s. Maybe not as fun a measurement as the old one, but changes will be accurate over time, since the p.s. isn't moving.

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Try this method for BP measurement - it takes out the chance that you press into the groove below the pubic bone that gives you more BP measurement than you ought to have:

Take hard ruler, extend from pubic bone along the penis angle. Now rotate the ruler along it's length axis 90 degrees, so that the scribed section of the ruler is against the upper side of the shaft, along the middle (makes for easier reading). Now the ruler will not be able to slip in further down the p.s. bone (illusory gains due to lig lengthening) but will rest against the outer most part of the p.s. Maybe not as fun a measurement as the old one, but changes will be accurate over time, since the p.s. isn't moving.

Thanks for the method. I feel much better about measure as it seems to prevent unintentional cheating. With the new method, I'm still ~18.3cm BPFSL So now I feel as if I have had to have gained a little. I just need to work on my EQ I guess.

Could you elaborate how lig lengthening causes these illusory gains?

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Basically from what I gather working the ligs causes the ligaments to drop a bit, so you're able to press the ruler in deeper below the pubic bone, which then gives the illusion that you're gaining when it's really just that you can press the ruler in deeper.

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Basically from what I gather working the ligs causes the ligaments to drop a bit, so you're able to press the ruler in deeper below the pubic bone, which then gives the illusion that you're gaining when it's really just that you can press the ruler in deeper.

Alright, good to know I'm circumventing this issue by using that measurement technique.

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-ANOTHER UPDATE!-
So, I took two days off, and the "guests" are now gone, meaning I continued my routine today. I've added in a few V-jelqs, but since I do not fully understand them, I'm not sure if they do anything. However, after my workout today, I felt sore for a little bit, which is always a nice feeling. My red mark that I mentioned has almost completely faded, but I have a new small, circular one which I think is Edema (spelling?).

I do have two 'monumental' updates however, both of which I am pleased to say. Gains, I have them. Genuinely. I measured again NBPEL (I know! I shouldn't). I definitely have some gains that are noticeable and I do not believe I'm tricking myself into these gains. I measured because it felt different, so I had to check. The gains are minimal at about 1/4 of an inch or so.

So, assuming my starting measurements are correct, I've gained between 1/2 and 3/4ths of an inch!

Secondly, I believe I had a lig pop. I had an erection and pulled down on it a little bit (nothing serious as I've done it before many times), and I heard a *pop*. Freaky, yes. Joyous, yes. Good, to be determined.

I have also revied my short-term goals. While I do not have measurement goals, as I find them counter productive, this is something I believe will be productive since it is almost immeasurable. Short-term goal: Increaesd EQ.

To get this, I'm making a few changes:
1. Lengthening my kegels instead of doing squeeze-release. Switch to 5 second holds and occasionally 60 second holds.
2. Better diet. I've started to eat a salad at least every other day, aiming for once a day. This salad is loaded with some good veggies. I'm also going to stop eating "crispy chicken" (read: fried). This will be difficult as it is a common food on campus.
3. Vitamins. In order to supplement my healthier diet, I'll be taking a Centrum Ultra Men's vitamin once a day. This has low levels of Iron (8mg) and Vitamin A (3,500UI).

Any comments/advice?