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  • #46
    Last week 100 minutes of high intensity jelqing.

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    • #47
      Once again, last week 100 minutes of high intensity jelqing.

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      • #48
        High intensity jelqing getting on my hands so I was once more experimenting on clamping. It seems barely to match the pressure I can produce with Uli (judging by the red spotting) but OK I guess. Anyways, having measured no gains, I'm thinking I might take a longer decon break for the summer and hopefully the tunica softens up so I can restart with lower intensity after 1-2 months.

        Just for the record, I currently measure 6.5" BPEL, 6.85" BPFSL, 5.5" MSEG .

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        • #49
          Moved to https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...ng-factor.html
          sixrod
          Senior Member
          Last edited by sixrod; 07-15-2013, 06:40 AM.

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          • #50
            For the last three weeks I've only been doing 5 stretches Mon-Fri , with each stretch being directed straight out and lasting two minutes. I really ease into the stretch, typically it takes around 30 seconds before I'm at full stretch (when I feel I bump into 'the cord' and my penis won't extend any further) and then I hold it until two minutes come up. Do a firegoat roll and a helicopter to help circulate the blood, and repeat.

            The result? I'm back at my all-time record of 7.1" BPFSL and looking at my log I have only "almost" reached it before so this could count as a personal best. I'm definitely past my 6.85" BPFSL I measured and reported early June.

            I had a real easy clamping session (*) today as well, nothing extreme like before, and I could repeat the BPFSL measurement after a 10 minute set. I know I was about to have a decon break, but I still wanted to test my theory on fascia, and at least at the moment it definitely looks promising! This clamping session was just to confirm I can repeat after being fully engorged.

            I apply a minimum of 15 minutes of heat pre-exercise, sometimes post-exercise as well, and I have been experimenting with heat while stretching. Apply long (120 second) slow stretches, do not yank or try to over-extend when at maximum reach. If fascia is indeed the limiting factor, we want to suggest growth as a neurological request to the body, rather than create microtears by entering plastic deformation.

            I'll keep on reporting but I might still take a month off for a decon break, so during the summer the updates may be slightly irregular.

            (*) I'm doing as few positive kegels at the moment as I can. I'm reseting my system as involuntary kegeling has been an issue with me, and contributing to pre-ejac. Makes clamping a challenge though.

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            • #51
              The weirdest thing so I just have to report this.

              With the above tiny routine of just lots of heat and five two-minute stretches five days a week, plus the omission of all positive kegels, I'm feeling a dull soreness in my base/inner penis around the taint area (and that alone, no sensations in the visible shaft).

              Just speculating, it could be that the ultra-slow heat-assisted stretches can reach all the length of the inner penis. Honestly I have no idea what is actually going on. Could also be the pelvic floor relaxing due to reduced tension because of less/no kegeling (except some individual involuntary ones). Regardless, it's now very noticeable so I want to leave a trace in my log.

              I'm reducing the amount of stretches to Mon-Tue-Thu-Fri until I can see what the total outcome is (is this a good or bad PI). If I can now stretch places I couldn't reach before, I need to be careful not to overtrain and build resistance in that area. Overall PIs are good, especially the flaccid stretched length.

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              • #52
                The heat-assisted slow stretches definitely seemed promising for length but I'm so close to my final goal on girth, I just want to continue on that road until I get there.

                My wife's never had vaginal orgasms and I figured she's just one of those girls who don't. I haven't been too worried overall as she's satisfied with getting great clitoral orgasms by self-stimulation or by me pleasuring her orally. So I assumed she's not even close when we're having intercourse and it's really happening mostly for my pleasure (by this time she's already had her orgasm by alternative means, or she brings herself to clitoral orgasm while I'm penetrating). I thought she's around 2-4 out of 10 on the arousal scale and it's just not going to happen for her. Well we just bumped onto the topic the other night chatting right after having sex, and she said she's actually something like 8.5/10 and would like to make it all the way someday. She also described how she needs to be penetrated at a specific angle to rub her just right.

                So she's actually getting very aroused by penetration (8.5 is a great place to be, it's what I enjoy the most), but just never reaches full orgasm. The fact that she would like to, makes me a man on a mission, as she's my soulmate and the single person I want to improve for.

                So that's why I'm working on my 5.5-5.6" MEG until I see what kind of difference, if any, does 6" girth make on her pleasure. Length for me would just be a nice-to-have and for show. I'm confident enough not to care about showing off, but I take pride in pleasuring my wife, so this is where I want to self-improve. Sure if I hit my girth goal I'll keep on exercising, to maintain great EQ, and maybe to gain some erect length just for kicks.

                Now I realize 5.5 is far from small. So I'm not working on girth because I compare myself to other guys. I just honestly believe being slightly larger girth-wise might make me a better match for my wife.

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                • #53
                  Mon

                  15min warmup
                  5min slow jelqs
                  5x60sec Uli
                  5x30sec Compressors
                  30min loose clamp to promote healing while expanded

                  Tue

                  15min warmup
                  4x3min heat-assisted ultra-slow stretches
                  5min slow jelqs

                  Wed

                  15min warmup
                  5min slow jelqs
                  5x60sec Uli
                  5x30sec Compressors
                  5min slow jelqs
                  30min loose heated clamp to promote healing while expanded

                  Thu

                  15min warmup
                  4x3min heat-assisted ultra-slow stretches
                  5min slow jelqs

                  Fri

                  15min warmup
                  5min slow jelqs
                  5x60sec Uli
                  5x30sec Compressors
                  5min slow jelqs
                  30min loose heated clamp to promote healing while expanded
                  sixrod
                  Senior Member
                  Last edited by sixrod; 10-18-2013, 04:16 AM.

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                  • #54
                    Previous week's routine repeated.

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                    • #55
                      Previous week's routine repeated.

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                      • #56
                        Previous week's routine repeated.

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                        • #57
                          Previous week's routine repeated.

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                          • #58
                            Took a break last week.

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                            • #59
                              I've been kind of on-and-off while I'm considering my next move.

                              I noticed something maybe worth recording here. After I took a week off and a second week real easy, I once again thought about intensity.

                              I have a real hard time digesting the idea that something very much like masturbation would actually be able to deform the tunica, regardless of the mechanics involved (plastic deformation vs 'suggestive' new tissue generation). Jelqing with a light touch for 20+ minutes resembles masturbation so much, there should be multiple reports of "accidental" big cocks happening in fully grown adults. As that doesn't seem to be the case (it is pretty much accepted as fact your penis doesn't grow after puberty) there needs to be some sort of controlled stress induced in the tissue to trigger the growth response.

                              On the other hand, as a typical example of somebody who tends to obsess/overtrain, I can also vouch for more=more not being the case here. I've been doing experiments like 30 minute clamping sessions, clamped erect bends and whatnot, in a zone I would consider very high risk of injury. Apart from new veins I have very little if any growth to show (a small change in girth is hard to measure conclusively). So I'm thinking too intense also appears not to trigger growth as a form of overcompensation. Rather, I have reason to believe, and what I've read regarding fascia supports my hypothesis, my tunica is just getting tougher and tougher due to the intense exercises. More intense obviously doesn't correlate with more growth.

                              Anyway, as I was happily jelqing away for 20 minute sessions with a light to light-moderate grip, I noticed after the first Monday session (and this was after a week off) I had a very nice post-workout plumpness, and I'm not talking about fluid buildup here either. It was more like in the newbie days, my tunica was in a pliable, semi-expanded state for the rest of the day. So I figured this is a good sign of proper intensity, let's keep it up. Well, being all excited about it, after two weeks I get no post-workout plumpness at all.

                              I consider this a significant potential finding. Regardless of the quality of a session, it seems the "fullness" you get from a good exercise session is somehow related to not just the chosen exercise and intensity, but the change in routine itself might have some effect.

                              Looking at the big picture, we have plenty of evidence that new guys into the world of PE make easy gains for a while and then it levels out for the rest of their "PE career". A plateau here, a break there, but even consistent exercising over years might not accumulate to significant growth (such is the case for myself, it seems). It just might be that we are working within some very tight constraints to maintain potential for growth:

                              - intense enough to create a stress reaction within the tissue, but
                              - not too intense to create a defensive reaction within the tissue, and
                              - consistent, but
                              - not repetitive

                              I'll keep on experimenting with various parameters and try to induce the post-workout "happy state" to see if I can sustain it and if it correlates with results.

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                              • #60
                                Oh, one more thing I noticed; I have a very pronounced "cord" but I realized it doesn't seem to be my erect length limiting factor after all. When I'm flaccid yes, when I stretch I can definitely feel the thickened dorsal part of fascia being tight and limiting the extent of my stretch, but when I'm fully erect and I'm not stretching my penis, the "cord" is actually pretty pliable and loose. My length is limited by the dimensions of my penile chambers and whatever is their specific limit (tunica/buck's fascia). My flaccid stretched length is slightly longer than my BPEL measurement, which also supports my finding. So maybe the cord will become my limiting factor once the chambers catch up, but right now I believe I don't have to specifically target the cord.

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