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    24MAR14 - Really wish I had left a blank entry at the beginning of this log, not much space here to leave a running tally of my experiences thus far. The quick and short of it is still all manual, stretch and jelq. Was 1/1 and now 2/1 (on/off) since November. Gains are 1 5/8 BPEL and 1/2 MEG. Still going for more and EQ is incredible (most days). PE works!

    Begin date 12MAR2013 with the Remik-medium beginner routine Your First Penis Enlargement Workout Routine, I'm now starting past the first week, last week I put in three sessions as per the instructions 1 on 2 off, fourth session will be after one day rest. 6 min stretch and 10 wet jelq, done in the shower after warming up for a few minutes. Also sporadically doing kegels, only one focused session on doing those so far, but these will be a primary focus during my routines (EQ being the goal). Also discovered edging yesterday as a means of training my body to maintain good EQ for long periods of time. Start size is BPEL: 7" MEG: 5.75" BEG: 6.25" (though having a hairy shaft is contributing to BEG, she likes the extra friction so it will remain bushy and wild). Short term size goal is BPEL: 8" MEG: 6.25", but size goal is really dependent on how she feels about it, see how it goes.

    I've started doing PE as a means of improving my EQ. Over the years I've abused my body with roller-coaster weight problems (never serious but I've fluctuated between 200-240 at 6'2") and smoked for over 25 years (still in starting phases of quiting - again). I've been with the love of my life for over a year now (I could write books on how wonderful she is and how great we are together, but I won't go into that here) and we enjoy marathon sessions of making love, 2-4 hours at a stretch, 2-3 times a week. Over the years I've learned the art of controlling ejaculation (can easily have dry orgasm) and learned a few longevity tricks as well. I want to continue to be able to do this for many years to come and have noticed that I'm having good days and bad days, on bad days I can barely achieve 75% EQ and struggle to keep it going enough to enjoy activities. I usually seem to start off well, but it fades after a few minutes and never seems to return all the way, and I don't ever seem to hit a solid 100% like I used to, and haven't had good morning wood for as long as I can remember. Once or twice it's failed me and it was not pleasant for me and even worse for her, she was concerned she didn't feel good enough for me to maintain EQ. I wrote this all off as overuse, and that's certainly part of it given my age, but even after a week or two break when we are apart I sometimes have problems. Age or not there is no reason for me not to try and improve my EQ and I don't see any reason why I can't be as good as I was 20 years ago. In the past year I've lost 40 pounds and have kept it off (200 now), my body feels great, so now it's time to work on my most important muscle. Unfortunately circumstances are such that my love and I will be separated for a few months so it seems like this would be a good time to work on EQ without interfering with our relationship.

    I am not concerned about growth, other than to go too far for her, girth is already fine and any more could start interfering with receiving oral treats, wouldn't mind an extra inch in length though. I figure for the short term if I am experiencing good growth I will go beyond my goals and work on final size during cementing phase, I assume that some size will be lost during cementing or that cementing will go faster if some loss is acceptable. I will say that with only three sessions I am feeling pretty good. I was reading up on edging and initially dismissed it as it seemed geared to premature ejaculation (never an issue with me) but realized this is a great EQ exercise. I tried it yesterday a couple of times, just getting good EQ and maintaining it for as long as I could, and I've already noticed things are better. I haven't had a good 100% in quite a long time and was able to achieve and maintain it for awhile during the edging session, best EQ I've had in years. I can see where this is going to really train me to be able to maintain good EQ for extended periods of time.
    TehDBare
    Senior Member
    Member of the Month Sept 2013
    Last edited by TehDBare; 03-25-2014, 09:25 PM.
    Start 12MAR'13

    "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
    "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
    "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

  • #2
    Yeah you are on the right track. We are all trying to improve our EQ. A few quick suggestions: "V" jelqs are wonderful for EQ. As a matter of fact you should get hard while doing "V" jelqs. If not, your penis is desensitized. To increase sensitivity you need to: Never look at porn, jerk-off as little as possible (and if you do jerk-off stay away from the glans - that's the part you want to sensitize). I have mixed feelings about edging. True it gives you good EQ for a long time, but at the same time it is desensitizing your penis like any kind of over masturbation would. I try to never edge at all ever. Ballooning is a good alternative, cause there is less stimulation. But you do whatever helps you. Good luck buddy.
    "with great EQ, comes great responsibility"

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    • #3
      Reading up a lot here and at Thunders place website, I think I definitely see the trend of newbie mistakes of overtraining in some of the progress logs. Seems like those who start off and escalate too quickly get frustrated at no gains and start working even harder and eventually quit. I also see those who decide early on that they know better, or who decide to do half a recommended routine (jelq OR stretch) and are disappointed. And also those who start right off with a beginner routine and start a device at the same time and go way overboard. And to round it out I also see newbies follow the routine to the letter and get nothing. But those who have made real gains and sustained gains over time took a balanced approach, listened to the experts, asked intelligent questions as they went along, and most importantly listened to their body and never overtrained or undertrained. I think those with no gains are either going too hard and not allowing the recovery to work (they seem to think no gain means work twice as hard instead of getting proper technique and rest) or they are not going hard enough. I saw one persons log who went months without stretching because they said they couldn't figure out the instructions so only jelqued, surprise no gains. I also see many people who have failed because they kept switching routines too soon when trying to figure out how to break through a plateau.

      I say all of this because I can feel myself that last session I went a little too far, slightly sore today and not in a good muscle fatigue kind of way, more like going back to the gym after a years hiatus and lifting too much first go round. Less pressure next time, build slower. I read a couple quips which seem to make sense to me at this point:

      You want to encourage your penis to grow, not force it to.
      Jelq: Push the blood through, don't squeeze it through.
      Growth doesn't occur during your exercise days, it happens during your rest days. Exercise hard but rest harder.

      Also reading many theories out there like position of LOT and how it may affect growth from ligament stretching, the "steel cable" hindering length goals, genetic tunica layering (some have one, some three) and girth gains, etc. I think it will be important in later months to identify and recognize possible blocks concerning my penis and what others with similar restrictions have done to overcome. For now it's all about conditioning and during these first couple months learn how my penis is reacting to things.

      Rest day today, next session tomorrow.

      "Be nice to your penis, encourage it to grow"
      TehDBare
      Senior Member
      Member of the Month Sept 2013
      Last edited by TehDBare; 03-21-2013, 11:36 PM.
      Start 12MAR'13

      "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
      "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
      "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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      • #4
        Almighty Wise TehDBare,

        Your outlook/approach on PE is spectacular, and I suspect that you will indeed get very far with PE. Congrats to you for doing all of the research that you have done, and for putting it into perspective/use towards your objective!

        Welcome to the Gym bro!
        You never slow down, you never grow old!

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        • #5
          Note to self: Take it easy. I was very pleasantly surprised today on my morning walk, it seems my love is unexpectedly back for the day and decided to ambush me in the woods, I won't go into the details of that but let's say my walks won't be the same for awhile with that memory floating through my mind. I do want to note for my progress log a couple of things though. First thing I noticed is that my skin is drying out, need to change lubes, I will try some different oils and see what works for me, definitely decreased sensation (combined with her very heavy red tide didn't help). I also noticed that my EQ was very subpar, I just wasnt getting enough sensation with the dry skin, even with oral stimulation. I tried forcing it with kegels but hit that point where I was so focused on getting hard I couldn't (the mind is a bitch, hopefully PE will increase my confidence and I won't get into that mind game anymore), stress it and you go soft, don't think about it and it turns rock hard. I also noticed that I did get very stiff initially while kissing but when the time came I had already lost it, so I am able to achieve good EQ, I just can't maintain it, more kegels, more kegels and more body cardio to improve circulation. I did notice fatigue, need to take it easy during workouts (or make sure she gives me a heads up when coming into town), I even noticed it yesterday when I tried ballooning/edging, fortunately being that we were out in the woods it wasn't our usual marathon sessions and I managed to have good enough EQ to be with her for 15-20 minutes, but it was pretty lame making love at 80%, I want to be rock hard.

          Bottom line for me - use a non-drying lube, gain confidence in EQ, work on overall circulation, work on kegels religiously not sporadically, cut back on ballooning/edging/masturbation (get a good erection for a few minutes to help PE, but not so much that it affects sensation for the real thing).

          Also happened to notice that her hand and mouth doesn't fit around like it used to, she's on the small side overall so I really need to watch the girth gains over time. I'm thinking I've already started gaining back that 1/4" I've lost over the past 15 years, might just be a quick newbie gain and may not be a problem going forward but need to keep an eye on it. It also seems more tube shaped whereas before it was more tri-lobal. Maybe I'm just still plump from Wednesday evenings exercise.
          Start 12MAR'13

          "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
          "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
          "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jay1983 View Post
            Almighty Wise TehDBare,

            Your outlook/approach on PE is spectacular, and I suspect that you will indeed get very far with PE. Congrats to you for doing all of the research that you have done, and for putting it into perspective/use towards your objective!

            Welcome to the Gym bro!
            I just figure if I'm going to devote hours of my time over the next few months/years/lifetime I should do it right, and given the importance of what I'm working on I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't make it a priority to learn everything they can first. Nothing worse than to put in three months only to figure out after the fact that I was doing something wrong and could have avoided no gains/improvement by making a simple adjustment at the start. Thinking is so much easier than doing, and investing time up front to research will pay huge dividends in time down the road.

            I will also give kudos to the site, the moderators and the members. Such a huge collection of information, very well organized, easily accessible and openly shared by everyone. Free info, free advice from experienced PEers (some who do this professionally and charge people for their services), and all right in front of us. Newbies should all take advantage of what's here and appreciate it.
            Start 12MAR'13

            "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
            "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
            "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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            • #7
              Welcome to the Gym TehDbare! You will love it here, is a great place. Keep doing your PE exercise and your EQ will improve, you will have some ups and downs while your unit gets conditioned but I can tell you that PE has done wonder for my husband's EQ. Is not longer morning wood, I call it morning glass! My husband EQ was not existent due to Low T and after visiting with specialists and getting the run around, he decided to try this route as a holistic way to achieve his goals and it changed our lives. Just remember that this is a process and treat it as such.

              Your Lady and you sound like us we love Marathon sessions of love making. Give the process the time to work and you will be taking more "walks" soon enough! Good Luck!
              MrsLooking4more
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              PEGym Hero
              Last edited by MrsLooking4more; 05-18-2013, 08:33 PM.
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              BDSM Safe, Sane & Consensual
              Hubby's Routine

              BPEL 6.5 +1.5 ~>8.0 02/2013
              MEG. 4.7 +1.3 ~>6.0 03/2013

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              • #8
                Decided to hold off exercise last night to this morning, give an extra night of rest, turned out to be feeling much better this morning so probably a good call on my part. Did the usual with slight increase:

                Shower and then 10 minutes with rice sock
                6.5 min stretch
                11 min jelq
                shower to wash up and cool down

                Changes to note. Seems like 2.5 min for rice sock heating is about right, I'll refine this as time goes along, and heating with a mug of water in the microwave (don't remember where I read that piece of advice) did make the heat moist. I did notice with stretches that less is more, harder pull going into the stretch causes the body to tense and pull back a bit, I toyed with someone's suggestion to move the body a little while stretching and found an interesting point. If you start off slowly increasing the pressure and let your penis kind of slide into the stretch (takes a few seconds) so its taught and your body isn't resisting you'll get a better stretch it seems, then slightly positioning the body (kind of leaning back just slightly away from the stretch) you get better stretch than trying to move out with your arm (I think it's smoother to lock your arm into place and use your body to move than to move with your arm). With jelqs I put myself into the mindset to push the blood through and not squeeze it through and it felt much better, still achieved the same plumpness after without the feeling that I abused my penis. Trying to maintain the mindset or coaxing growth and not forcing it. Post workout I'm feeling and exhibiting good PIs from a workout more than when I was rougher the other day, feels better, feels fatigued but not sore, experiencing a little turtling but in a good way, seems to be recovering a couple hours later and hanging more freely. Less discoloration than previous sessions and zero red dots (had them once previously). I will also note that changing lube is much better (baby oil with aloe and E) but does lead to getting erections a bit (had to stop twice). Did a couple V jelqs to see what they are like and I think these will be part of my regular routine at some point. I am still struggling with the skin issues, two handed jelqing becomes difficult, seem to get a better jelq if one hand is holding back the skin and rotate every five or so strokes (V jelq had fewer problems with this). Also having issues with shaft hair, unfortunately she loves the extra friction it provides so I have to live with it, maybe I can compromise and at least cut it shorter, it is irritating with the jelqs to rub the hair against the shaft.
                Start 12MAR'13

                "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
                "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
                "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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                • #9
                  10 min rice sock warm up (2.5 min cook time too much, try 2.25 next time, ouch)
                  7 min stretch w/10 kegels each direction first cycle (really need to figure out a better way to grip, hurting skin and having to adjust grip sometimes because fingers start slipping. Talc maybe)
                  12 min jelq (baby oil nice but too easily getting erections. Really need to do something about the hair)
                  Couple minutes stroking to get full erection and blood flowing
                  Shower cool down

                  I will say I've noticed increase in girth, EQ is spotty but when it's on it's really on, some of the best erections in years. Noticing morning and middle of the night wood, very good sign. I'm resisting measuring but really want to see, I want to wait until first month is complete (besides EQ is goal, not size, but who wouldn't want a little more?).
                  Start 12MAR'13

                  "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
                  "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
                  "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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                  • #10
                    Do helicopter shakes before each stretch. Doing them in fact forces blood to the glans, making your stretch grip easier yet more comfortable. Try not to stretch with an erection level over 20%! Also, don't grip the glans

                    You never slow down, you never grow old!

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                    • #11
                      Note to self: Got a nice stiffie in the shower this morning. EQ is sporadic, but when it's good it's very good now, fatigue is obvious as I can't maintain it for too long at full 100%, but what used to be 100% and a drop to 70% now seems like 110% with a drop to 80%. Noticed that at the base the exit point seems to have moved slightly, I noticed a gap in the fat pad and penis that didn't seem to exist before, not exactly a gain but with less fat pad to measure I'm sure this will make a difference when I do break down and measure, take length gain with a grain of salt I guess. Girth has certainly improved with EQ, and I felt a very prominent CS that I never noticed before, it appears the overall shape itself is changing from elliptical to more tri-lobal.
                      Start 12MAR'13

                      "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
                      "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
                      "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Tried Jay1983s suggestion today and made a noteable difference.
                        Also note that baby oil in the shower sucks for jelqing, very uneven jelqs as with even the smallest bit of water the skin has uneven sticky and slippery spots, doesn't take much water and near impossible to avoid. First half of jelqs weren't good, cleared up for second half.

                        Shower warm up
                        7.5 min stretch
                        14 min jelq
                        cool down

                        Shower also running out of good hot water during exercises now. Lesson learned, no more sessions in the shower if going longer than 25 minutes.

                        Also concerned about long term discoloration, it's getting noticeable, tried goat rolls to combat this, easier to rub against forearm than with both hands, more even pressure and contact with skin.

                        Not so great workout, might do another light session tomorrow instead of using it as a rest day, see how I feel.
                        Start 12MAR'13

                        "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
                        "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
                        "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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                        • #13
                          Usual routine today
                          rice sock 10 min
                          stretch 7.5
                          jelq 14.5
                          cool down

                          Can feel this getting easier quickly, penis is getting conditioned well, just have to resist adding too much too quick, still only two weeks in.
                          Start 12MAR'13

                          "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
                          "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
                          "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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                          • #14
                            Shower then additional sock warm up for a few minutes. 1:45 microwave time seems to be the right balance for heat.

                            Stretch 8 min
                            jelq 17 min
                            cool down

                            Hair continues to be an issue, going to try a different lube and see if that helps. I looked around for better info on jelqing and have changed my grip and stroke a bit, using overhand and moving skin back with hand two as hand one is about half way down shaft, much better results with it today but still not entirely there, better lube with hair problem may improve the strokes even more. Still haven't measured yet but while having some Internet fun time last night with my love I did notice EQ was fantastic and it felt bigger, any early gains I get will be easily attributed to EQ. Also noticed better sensitivity and softer skin, baby oil I'm sure has a part in that. Going to be able to see my beloved late next week, going to stop all edging, ballooning and masturbation to assure the best EQ with the least amount of stimulation. Already working the mind to my disadvantage, I want to show off my EQ like she's never seen it before, have to relax those thoughts before they work against me.
                            Start 12MAR'13

                            "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
                            "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
                            "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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                            • #15
                              Shower and 10 min rice sock warm up
                              8 min stretches
                              17 min jelq
                              cool down

                              Just realized I didn't make an entry last session. That one was 7.5 min stretch, 14.5 min jelq

                              After reading up on some things I've decided girth should be more focus for my EQ so I've started doing jelq at higher erection level. Not getting good jelqs, need to keep trying until I get it down. A couple issues, one is the lube is horrible, picking something up tonight when out shopping, second thing I've noticed is that my shaft starts rotating with certain grips like the V, not getting consistent strokes. Also notice that right hand is not nearly as effective as left (I'm left handed) so need to focus on technique more. Also working out proper grip strength, I think I'm close with that issue. I have faith I'll get it down but it will take practice, only three weeks into it and I'm one on one off so haven't had much time in, conditioning properly and working out the bugs is my goal for now and I'm pleased with those results so far.
                              Start 12MAR'13

                              "Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
                              "Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
                              "Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

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