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Bnip · 06-30-2013, 03:07 PM

Sounds like you are on the right track and I would say if you feel you need to take a day off, take one. Work smarter not harder. Good luck on your log and be safe!

TehDBare · 06-30-2013, 08:41 PM

For your EQ you should read up on minutemans dry orgasm guide to learn how to do kegels. 100-200 a day plus your PE kegels could make things worse depending on a few factors, you are most likely overworking it and not balancing with reverse kegels. Read his threads, they are very very long but is a comprehensive guide to kegels and also outlines a three month route to balance your pelvic floor. Could be the missing piece to your EQ issues.

Deville820 · 07-07-2013, 02:03 PM

Thanks for the responses guys- I will definitely check out Minuteman's guide- that's been on my list for a bit now.

Starting up tonight after a week off. Looking forward to it. Will update shortly

Deville820 · 07-08-2013, 11:31 AM

Took the extra night off of PE because my member didn't seem to be feeling it. Got to my first session back this morning, feeling great. Kept things nice and light- I notice there's a certain level of arousal and "cooperation" that my member exhibits- depending on my intensity, this cooperation may fatigue and fade away sometime before my PE routine is complete. I suppose a goal of mine is to keep the intensity light enough to keep this good, cooperative, aroused state all the way until my edging begins.

-15 mins warm up

-Stretching - followed my usual D,U,L,R,O plus 5 L and 5 R circles. Surprisingly took way more than 5 mins. I don't really feel I'm stretching too long or taking too long in between stretches though- still only doing 30 second stretches.

-Jelqing - If you calculate 10 mins of jelqing at 5 second strokes, you get 120 jelqs. I actually scaled it back to 100 for today (probably will for now), this ended up taking 13 mins with a couple of stops for reapplication or waiting for erection to subside.

-Edging - Edged for around 10 minutes directly after jelqing. EQ was pretty good, though started to wane towards the end of the 10 minutes. Unfortunately, with my PE sessions I usually shoot to edge for 15-20 mins, but the edging tends to last until I slip for a split second and accidentally ejaculate. This is what happened today. I'd like to try and not ejaculate during my PE edging (I'll instead ejaculate every couple of days, on a rest day perhaps), so I'm wondering if I should just scale back my edging goals for now- If my chance for a mistake and accidental ejaculation increases after my first 10 mins, then perhaps I'll start by aiming for only 10 solid minutes of edging and shooting to prolong my EQ for the entire time.

Deville820 · 07-10-2013, 02:35 PM

Edged for around 20 mins yesterday on my rest day, no ejaculation. Felt awesome.

Today - 7/10/13

-15 mins warm up (usual rice sock)

-Strectching - usual D,U,L,R,O plus 5 L and R circles. Again, took around 10 minutes, with the helicopters in between and the playing around to keep myself at the right flaccid/erection level (20% feels right). I need to do a little more research on the circle stretches, as they feel the least useful/impactful to me.

-Jelqing - Went for 100 5-second jelqs again. With the slow pace and a few stops it again took about 12 mins. Had a good level of arousal and that "cooperative" feeling, making it easy to maintain a solid 60% almost the whole time, though it got too high a few times. I noticed that characteristic "fatigue" of the cooperative feeling at around 70 jelqs (coincidently at around the 10 minute mark). The final 30 definitely still felt great though, and I think it was the right kind of fatuge. *Perhaps this is sort of a nice ideal to shoot for, to have a really "good" feeling workout for the first 3/4ths of your jelqs and for the final 1/4th of your jelqs to be where you push the boundary just a bit, but not overboard. I can tell that any more than those 30 or so extra jelqs after the 70 and I would have been entering the outer limit of "overworking". Ultimately, I might either experiment with scaling back to 10 mins (about 70 jelqs for me currently), or keeping my cap at 100 jelqs (12ish mins) and trying to exploit this ideal of mine. Most importantly, my unit feels good.

-Edging - Further supporting my claims of a "good" workout, my EQ upon reaching the edging part of my workout was great! Had a great erection that I very lightly and comfortably edged and maintained. Felt great, and edged for about 13 mins.... but made that TINY mistake of stroking one or two strokes too many and accidentally ejaculating. Unit still felt GREAT upon my shower warm down though... oh well! Haha. Gonna keep my goal at 10 minutes WITHOUT ejaculation for now (ejaculating instead on an off day, or a few hours after the workout, just not POST workout). The beautiful part of PE? Even when you don't win, you still win. I accidentally ejaculated, but I had 13 solid minutes of great masturbation with great EQ! This worst case scenario is STILL a win in my book.

PE ftw.

Deville820 · 07-17-2013, 03:12 AM

7/12/13

Experienced one of my first "rushed" sessions due to obligations and a lack of time. I can definitely feel an overall difference between sessions which are rushed and sessions in which I have the time to really take things slow and focus. I still happened to get a decent session in, however, and my unit showed no signs of dramatic turtling or anything.

-10 mins Warmup

-Stretching (D,U,L,R,O … skipped my circle stretches). I actually fit this into 5 minutes, more due to less resting time in between than anything else. I aimed for 30 seconds on, 30 seconds rest.

-Jelqing - 50 Jelqs was all I had time for … aimed for 50 quality jelqs, and felt that I achieved it.

-Edging - 5 minutes, had decent EQ.

Ended my workout with my usual shower warm down.

Due to the shorter session, I deemed it necessary to throw in a light session the following day, instead of resting. This session on 7/13/13 consisted of a warmup plus 50 jelqs. Edged afterwards for 10 minutes with decent EQ, ejaculated (aiming not to during my post-workout edging).

7/14/13 Rest.

7/15/13

-15 mins warmup

-Stretching - Usual routine. Felt great, my unit was quite cooperative.

-Jelqing - 100 jelqs. Cooperative, and kept the erection level a bit higher, around 60% or perhaps 70%. Found myself going past 80% and having to stop a bit more frequently than usual, but I felt great during and after. My intensity is always light and careful, but towards the middle to end of this session, the response from my unit gave me the okay to try with a bit more force/pressure/intensity. Nothing overly ambitious, but I definitely felt I got a great workout in.

-Edging - This notion was further supported by the awesome EQ and edging session I had. Had a great, full erection (maybe in the 90% -95% area?), which I maintained the whole time. Edged for a solid 30 minutes, right before bed, with no ejaculation. I felt so great afterwards- I went to bed feeling like a champ!

This may have been my best workout yet- a super cooperative unit made for a feeling of "progress", upping the intensity just a bit, and ending off with a great edging session. I realized that I hadn't ejaculated in about a day or two, so I think the extra horniness contributed to the great cooperation.

7/16/13

Having not ejaculated, I woke up this morning quite horny... I finally had to succumb and allow myself to shoot one off! A reward for an awesome workout and edging session the night before. Today was my rest day, and my flaccid showed no signs of turtling, etc. besides the usual temporary contraction directly after my ejaculation this morning. In fact, I feel I hung pretty nicely for most of the day- I'm certainly hanging nicely right now! All positive PI's in my book. I am going to continue to shoot for the "refrain from ejaculation a few hours before and after your PE routine" doctrine for now, as the extra horniness really seemed to help my workout. I'd prefer instead to ejaculate every 3 days or so, on a rest day or long after my PE workout. Besides, edging for prolonged periods of time without busting a nut actually feels great! Hope I can continue this trend and avoid the accidental ejaculations... but hey, it happens

Might edge for just a bit before I fall asleep right now.

Deville820 · 07-18-2013, 05:17 PM

7/17/13

15 mins warmup

-Stretching - My usual stretching routine. As I've said, ends up being around 8-10 minutes due to helicopter shakes, heating with my rice sock in between stretches, etc. I like to take my time. But same amount of actual stretching. Not sure if I should try to keep it closer to 5 minutes (shorter breaks), but I seem to be doing what feels right- and therefore, it feels right.

-Jelqing - 100 Jelqs, didn't time it, but still somewhere just above the 10 minute mark. Had similar feelings to my last session- a really responsive and cooperative unit. Similarly, I started off as light as I usually do, and gave a tad more pressure towards the end- felt great. Always watching to make sure I don't make that tiny step too far though.

-Edging - Edged for a solid 20-25 minutes, no ejaculation. EQ started pretty good, faded away by the end. Seemed like post-workout fatigue.

This session felt very similar to my last session- where things felt great, responsive, cooperative, and I feel like I was really able to begin to give my unit a good "workout" rather than just go through the motions. I ejaculated during the morning and did the session before I went to bed at night- I definitely think that the extra horniness from refraining from ejaculation before/after the workout in a couple-hour window helps my PE session greatly.

7/18/13

Rest day. My unit has felt pretty good all day- some good flaccid hang here and there... no soreness or anything. As of the last two sessions, I'm beginning to feel like I'm making a step in the right direction with my PE workouts. Hope this continues- I will continue on in this manner, and monitor my unit's response.

Deville820 · 07-21-2013, 11:55 PM

7/19/13

Was planning on doing my routine before bed, but ended up getting stuck out really late. Decided to do the routine the following morning-

7/20/13

Didn't have a great workout today... felt my first lack of "cooperation" in my unit in awhile. I ejaculated on the morning of 7/19/13, 24 hours earlier, so all of my typical "cooperation" and general horniness after 24 hours of recovery should have been there. By lack of "cooperation" I am referring to a general resistance from my unit-- didn't really loosen up like it usually does during the 15 minute warmup, felt some slight resistance during those first stretches, etc. I really was unsure of whether or not I should bother working out... I resolved to do a light routine of:

15 mins warm up
5 stretches D,U,L,R,O
50 jelqs

Followed by a few minutes of edging and a shower warm down. As I said, the warmup and stretching were met with a bit of a lack of cooperation (hard to explain, but I'm sure those who have been PE'ing for awhile know what I mean when I speak of a workout which doesn't feel that "good" versus one that does), but the jelqs seemed to be decent - didn't have a problem getting a good 60% EQ. I even had to stop a few times (as usual) due to attaining too high an erection level.

Overall, I really wasn't sure what was up. Finished the workout fine... I believe I ejaculated after edging. Didn't really have a spongey flaccid the rest of the day, though it didn't seem dramatically turtled either.

7/21/13

Rest day. My unit hasn't felt that great- not terrible, but could be a lot better. There have been some moments where I achieved a good spongey flaccid, in between more frequent intervals of time where I could tell that my flaccid was a bit tighter than usual. Definitely a light level of "hard flaccid" as well, I think, or perhaps a very light level of turtling+hard flaccid. Ended up working up an erection to stretch myself out a bit, turned into a masturbation session with ejaculation. Since then, I've sort of felt the same- not completely turtled or anything, but not my (more recently) usual "nice" feeling flaccid. I'm definitely going to listen to my body and give my unit an extra day of rest before even thinking of doing another PE session.

I still can't figure out exactly why my unit wasn't as cooperative for my last workout. I deem it impossible that the extra few hours of rest (PE'ing the following day instead of the night I was planning on) could have negatively affected me. I don't know if alcohol makes a huge difference, but I did have some alcohol the night prior to doing my PE session the day after. I really don't think this was the case though...

In any case, I think from now on I am going to refrain from PE when I can tell my unit just isn't cooperating or feeling it on the day of my scheduled session. Even if the case is a bit sporadic like mine (was doing GREAT the previous days/sessions last week), I will at least give it an extra days rest. I'd still be interested in posting a thread on the matter in the Beginner's Forum - on whether or not anyone "works through" any un-cooperative days with a lighter version of their originally scheduled workout, or just gives themselves an extra day of rest.

*I should note here that I am going out of town from Tuesday 7/23/13 until Monday 7/29/13. My plan currently is to give myself an extra rest day tomorrow (today, technically, 7/22/13), and perhaps throw in a PE routine Tuesday morning before I leave. If my unit is still feeling a bit strange, I will take the rest of the week off and pick back up on Monday. But if it's feeling pretty good by my Tuesday workout, I'm unsure of what I want to do. Technically, I'd be doing a workout on Thursday and Saturday-- It's going to be pretty hard to get privacy and/or PE routines in while I'm away. If I can manage, it may also be hard to get PE routines with a proper rice-sock warmup. Technically I'll only be missing 2 sessions if I choose not to workout. I don't know how detrimental that is. Maybe there are some light things I can do while I'm there- showering, for example? I might post about this too. This of course is subject to change based on how my unit responds over the next day or two- which may end in me taking the week off for certain.

Deville820 · 08-03-2013, 01:35 PM

8/2/13

Was away for a week, and ended up taking that week plus a couple of extra days off- for the convenience and for the rest. I'm going to have to go away one more stretch from tomorrow (Sunday- 8/4/13) to Wednesday- 8/7/13 of next week. I will try to get one session in tomorrow morning, which hopefully should hold me over until I get back, as I know PE'ing will be just about impossible while away.

15 mins warmup
5 mins stretching
*50 jelqs - took it easier coming back in after a week and a half. Listened to my unit.

Also took a few mins edging, no ejaculation. Nothing crazy.

8/3/13

Rest day. Unit feels pretty good.

Deville820 · 08-10-2013, 11:42 AM

8/8/13

Was away from 8/4/13-8/7/13. This completes my time away definitively for the next few months. EQ has been great (had a girl that I am seeing there with me, and things have been going VERY well on the EQ end

- it's been a pretty "involved" week). Thursday was my first day back.

15 mins warmup
5 mins stretching
100 jelqs

A few minutes edging, no ejaculation.

Eased into the workout- it felt awesome, and my member felt cooperative. Had a little contraction followed by a pretty good hang.

8/9/13

Rest day. Unit felt great.

8/10/13

Starting my usual routine right now- (15warmup/5minstretch/100jelq+some edging). Feels like it will be a pretty decent/cooperative workout.

TFAdylan · 08-10-2013, 12:10 PM

What is your LOT? What are your goals? Whats your TGC? Any kegels? what stretches do you do? 2 days on 1 day off? Whats good about edging after the routine?

Deville820 · 08-16-2013, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by TFAdylan View Post

What is your LOT? What are your goals? Whats your TGC? Any kegels? what stretches do you do? 2 days on 1 day off? Whats good about edging after the routine?

Hey TF,

Thanks for the interest. You can read my detailed stats and routine on my first post in this thread- for quick answers, I do quick short kegels during my stretching and some other sets throughout the day. My stretching is a basic 5-way (D/U/L/R/O for 30 seconds/25 kegels each) plus 5 left and 5 right circle stretches. I've been doing 1 day on 1 day off for the past 2 months, just seems to work better for my unit... though in my next month or two I will see if I have the strength for 2 days on.

I took the edging idea from PESG (link in my first post on this thread), and essentially it helps to get fresh blood into the penis after the workout and potentially has gaining benefits due to maximizing the expansion of the CC/CS. It's also great for stamina.

My LOT is really low, at around 8 o'clock. Though I haven't really read much on LOT theory, as I've heard it is a bit obsolete at this point. I also have not read anything on TGC theory yet- thank you for the heads up, I'll look that up now!

As for goals, the detailed list is in my introduction thread https://www.pegym.com/forums/introdu...ectionist.html

but in short- my ideal unit would be 7.5 x 5.5, preferably NBPEL, so like 7.7 BPEL. Seems like your STARTING stats are my goals! Congrats man, enjoy it, and welcome to the world of PE!

Deville820 · 08-16-2013, 02:57 PM

8/11/13

Rest Day. Previous workout felt great and in a positive direction.

8/12/13

Usual routine- another good workout. I can really notice a difference between "good" and "bad" fatigue at this point, and I know that I felt "good" fatigue. This usually comes towards the end of my jelqs, which I do second. It sometimes results in not having an incredible erection afterward to edge with, but I know it's for good reason rather than for injury. I've actually been slacking in my edging routine after the workout, more because I want to take a break from it (or cut back to just a couple minutes) and condition my penis a bit more, then reintroduce it when I can handle a great edging session post-workout. I also suppose I could just edge at different times of the day, though I'm not sure it will have the same potential-gaining effect.

8/13/13

Rest day.

8/14/13

My workout this night was sacrificed in favor of a sexual encounter (an awesome one...) with the girl I've been seeing... No regrets

8/15/13

Went to do my routine in the morning to make up for missing the night before, but after warming up I could immediately tell that I wasn't getting a very "cooperative" feeling- I went into my first stretch and felt that special resistance that told me to STOP! Last time I tried to work through this, I turtled up and had to take a few days off... THIS time, I was smart and stopped! Check back again during the evening and felt much better/more cooperative, and ended up having another good workout! Lesson learned, man. Listen to your junk.

8/16/13

Rest day.

I should also note that I have been very fortunate enough to have had a girl from out of town, who I have an awesome personal relationship with and am "hooking up" with (that's what my generation calls it, right?), visiting for the past two weeks. This has resulted in increased 'sexual' everything... handjobs, blowjobs, sex. I am happy to say that it's been a great way to really put some miles on my engine and keep things in tip top shape down there... and for some odd reason I think it really helps. Not saying that "if you don't use it, you lose it" , but I think that there's something to be said for increased EQ and overall penile health in response to increased healthy sexual activity. My EQ with her has been great, and I find myself consistently turned on all the damn time! Hanging with her throughout the day, I end up getting turned on consistently and needing her to get me off as many as three times over the course of the day! Meanwhile, I'm able to shower with her, and being naked with her, my flaccid is nice and full.

Though I don't believe I've made any gains yet (I haven't measured in awhile, but don't really want to just yet), I definitely feel a bit bigger for some reason, or perhaps just more confident due to being extremely comfortable with this girl. It also helps that she has commented on how big I am multiple times

... I know I'm only slightly above average and that I ain't no porn star, and I know it's probably because she hasn't been with a ton of guys (something that I actually dig and find respectable), but it definitely feels pretty damn good to hear from a girl that you're big on her standards, or the longest she's been with, etc.

My point in all of this is that I think A) The increased healthy sexual activity in a really positive sexual relationship with this girl has coincided with my PE to make my overall EQ better and healthier B) The overall confidence, comfort, and positivity I am feeling mentally which goes hand in hand with having an awesome physical and emotional connection with a girl seems to have a HUGE effect on my unit, it's health, and it's performance. Thus, I reiterate, the MIND is such a powerful part of all of this.

Here's the depressing part- after three awesome weeks together, she finally had to leave last night to go home

... A real bummer for multiple reasons, including both the mental/emotional side as well as the physical side. I'll keep the mushy stuff to myself... but to bring it back to the context of PE, I'm interested to see how my unit responds in the next few weeks to the decreased exposure to "positive sexual activity" that I've been fortunate enough to experience for the past couple of weeks.

Deville820 · 08-20-2013, 01:12 PM

8/17/13

I unfortunately was a bit pressed for time due to a ton of obligations... but I still made time for PE. However, (and this sounds really silly, but it's unfortunately true) I sliced my thumb the night before on broken glass, and to be honest, lotion actually irritated the open wound while the jelqing motion with my fingers was a bit painful/uncomfortable as well. I was going to just to a V-jelq with that hand instead (though I've never actually done them before). But being as I was pressed for time and the cut on my thumb was burning a bit from the lotion, I ended up just leaving the workout off after my stretch routine. I felt okay with this, as I knew I at least got some progress from getting my entire stretch routine in.

8/18/13

Rest day.

8/19/13

Performed my usual routine (stretching plus 100 jelqs). Everything felt pretty great, though for the first time in a little while I decided to edge for a few minutes after jelqing and found my EQ not in tip-top shape. I think this is a common theme for me, and I'm wondering if it's simply because of the "good" fatigue after a good PE workout. *I should also note that I masturbated the night before and did my PE workout upon waking up... while things were certainly "cooperative", I definitely prefer the extra horniness/cooperation my unit has when I haven't ejaculated in a little while (i.e. anything more than half a day)

8/20/13

Rest day. I am going to see if I can get some edging in today... perhaps rest days might be a good time for edging.

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