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[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Good EQ today so decided to measure as I have pretty much completed the first quarter of the year. 157 hours trained over 83 days. My routines have been documented in previous posts. I gained zero in all categories. I will continue into the second quarter with hanging which I will continue to document.

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Upon reflection, I believe that the 0.65" that I gained were largely due to stretching out the ligaments. I used an extender and a bathmate over that duration that I gained and had to stop because it was causing lig discomfort. So, I believe that the ligs have been at maximum stretch for some time. This feeds into my Tough Tunica Ponytail theory that I posited some time ago. There has not been sufficient force applied with manual exercises or sufficient weight with hanging at this stage to elicit gains.

As I am fully confident that my ligs have been stretched to their maximum capacity, I am going to target the tunica more specifically by changing from SD to OTS with my hanging. This will really start to zero in on the why gains have been so hard for so long. Given my general physiology which has had doctors state that I have very dense muscle formation in my legs, glutes and shoulders, I would say that it is a feature of my body composition that extends to penile tissue.

So, from today we go OTS with the same amount of weight and sets.

On the good news side of things, I got a job in another country at a very good institution. It is a short notice but long term gig so will be packing up and getting ready to roll. Will keep doing my PE regardless. Most people know that I am pretty much unshakable in my discipline and adherence to routine.

Bravo Victor!

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Hey man I see you havnt been around lately how's everything been going? Did you find a solution to your ads? Anti turtling?

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

I'm back. Yes, it has been some time. However, I have kept up my PE but with slightly different attitudes and approaches.

I train every day but I'm not so finicky in getting caught up over reps, duration etc. I believe that for me, that approach in the past has actually been counter-productive. I just set time aside each morning and each night. 10-15 minutes in the morning to just balloon my wang up a bit from the session the night before; keep it expanded. I do about 45 minutes at night. I take rest days here and there if EQ is affected or I feel I just need it for repair and growth. Here is what I am doing:

Morning: Warmup with shower. Bathmate Hydromax X40 for 10-15 minutes.

Night: Warmup with shower. Bathmate for 10 minutes. Then I do edging, kegels/reverse kegels, supra slammers, ulis, tunica tugs and horse squeezes. This goes on for anywhere between 30-60 minutes. 45 minutes would be the average.

I take L-Arginine/Nitric Oxide boosters at reasonable doses but not crazy. I eat ****genic and have done for about 5 months now.

My marriage ended last year but life is like that sometimes. Nobody's fault...just grew apart over many years apart. I've had a new girlfriend for 6 months now who I absolutely love and adore and I know that she loves and adores me. She is a lot younger (25 years old). I am 46. Not bad for an old fella...and she is gorgeous. She is overseas for the next 6 months so I am just PEing away. I am studying full-time for the next 4 years and just scratching out a living with a few shifts a week to support the studies. Life is good. I'm happy.

I don't have any specific PE goals. I've been at this for a long time. I want to be a bit longer...a bit thicker. I'll know when it is enough. I want to continue to have good sexual stamina from edging. I haven't measure in an age. I am definitely bigger than I was 2 years ago but not by staggering amounts. I'm not going to tie myself up in knots measuring but I will later in the year.

I am consistently hitting 20 cms in the Bathmate now which is an indicator of where I am going with my growth. I started at 15 cm years ago in my first Bathmate so there is good progress. Waiting for my PExtender which I am keen to use as an ADS. I am confident that it will help to accelerate my gains.

Not really going to beat myself posting in the log. Just wanted to put in a follow up from years past and as a reference point in the future.

Bravo Victor!

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My PE-xtender arrived today so I was pretty excited. I am mainly using it as an ADS and anti-turtling device. I am playing around with it to find how to best use it. I have LOT at 9 o'clock (for you old school guys who know what that is) so I am using the belt strap with my wang at 9 o'clock for the moment. I will see how it goes in a straight down position at some stage soon (strapped to the leg). I continue PEing with the Bathmate X40, edge, clamp, horse squeezes, ulis and supra slammers. The extender is good for concealment on the waist but I have really huge thighs so not sure how it will go with concealment there as my pants/jeans tend to cling to my legs so it may look weird. Must say, the stretch feels freakin awesome. It is definitely promoting circulation so it feels really nice.

Will keep at it and give reports over time.

Bravo Victor!

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Good to see you posting.

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Good to see you posting.

Thanks Pegasus. Love my PE and love this community.

[Moose Tenderloin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Moose Tenderloin]

Gotta say, the detail is superb! Great write-up. Hope all is well in your studies and you find someone to spend the rest of your life with! Good luck and I look forward to seeing your progress.

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Gotta say, the detail is superb! Great write-up. Hope all is well in your studies and you find someone to spend the rest of your life with! Good luck and I look forward to seeing your progress.

Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I have been a fairly rapid empiricist with my PE. I am a bit more laid back these days. I find that if I just focus on my routine and less so on the write-ups, I do better and put less pressure on myself. Have an incredible girlfriend now for the last 7 months. I'm a lucky guy. Studies are crazy but I love it. Best of luck to you too. You seem to be doing really well. Will see you on the boards!

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Well I have measured my wang twice in the last 3 days. Both times were not post-PE workout. Both times showed the same gain...that's right...GAIN. Now, I have been on a plateau for some years. This is an incredible development. I am working to a 12 week program right now with my PE. This is the end of week 5 of this cycle (I worked on a bit of a haphazard but daily cycle for 6 months before this structured cycle) so I don't want to jump the gun. I want to complete the full 12 weeks before I release the results.

However, I am very, very happy. I have found the approach that works for me and what I suspected were very tough ligs and tunica tissue. I will keep at it and looking forward to powering through the rest of this cycle. The gain is in length. No girth gain but haven't really been going at girth too much.

The drought is over. Bravo Victor!!

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As of today, 332 hours logged with the PEXtender. This is in conjunction with a routine consisting of side to side stretches, edging and clamping. As per my last post...I like what I see! I am half-way through this 3 month program that I have created. Onwards and upwards!

Bravo Victor!

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I can barely believe my progress. I had to measure twice today because my gains just didn't seem possible. Measured pre-workout with as full erection as I could achieve. Absolutely blown away. I don't want to give too much away as I am very dedicated to performing the full 12 week programme I planned out for maximum results. Let me just say that I will be revealing a BIG surprise (figuratively and literally) which involved me smashing through years of plateau!

Bravo Victor!

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Excited to see where the PExtender takes/taken you. Considering the device myself. Best of luck man!

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From the ashes...

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Hey all,

So I'm back in my thread as I never gave up PE...I just stopped rigorously tracking it. However, I want to occasionally log progress as I have definitely been making some over the last couple of years. These days I jelq and pump with the Bathmate and I have definitely had positive results. I am quoting my own post as it has very important info from several years ago about my Bathmate progression. I am now at 20.5 centimetres in the X40 which is fantastic as I finished many years ago at about 16.5 centimetres. Now I don't think that it has fully translated to erect gains but I haven't measured in forever. I have been trying to not put pressure on myself and just enjoy the journey. However, when I do get gains both in the pump and in terms of erect gains, I will post. This will probably be in the next week or two.

Hope you are all well!

OK so here we go! I have the results of my PE experiments covering the period August 29th - October 18th 2013 (inclusive). I will break down a report complete with some theories, conclusions and forward planning.

ROUTINE: I followed the routine as listed in my OP. I did not miss a single day over the 83 day period. I am posting this about a week early due to heavy commitments next week.

SUPPLEMENTS: Supplements listed in my OP were also taken on each day of the training period.

TRAINING ACHIEVEMENTS: Here is information on how much I managed to increase measurements whilst training with the bathmate and the andropenis extender.

Bathmate: It is important to note that 'consistent length' means that the length for that week which I have listed HAD TO BE achieved during every session that week. If I didn't make that measurement on a single day...then it did not count for an increased number on my records. The length had to be achieved in the flaccid state for the 4 consecutive days of that training cycle. Overall, I achieved a increased flaccid state in the bathmate of 3.5 cms. I was very careful with regard to safety and patience.

TIME SCALE	CONSISTENT LENGTH
Week 1	13 cms (5.2 in)
Week 2	15 cms (6.0 in)
Week 3	15 cms (6.0 in)
Week 4	15.5 cms (6.2 in)
Week 5	15.5 cms (6.2 in)
Week 6	15.5 cms (6.2 in)
Week 7	15.5 cms (6.2 in)
Week 8	16 cms (6.4 in)
Week 9	16 cms (6.4 in)
Week 10	16 cms (6.4 in)
Week 11	16.5 cms (6.6 in)
Week 12	16.5 cms (6.6 in)

Andropenis: I went by the manufacturers recommendations and used the extender 6 days a week for 3-4 hours at a time. There were some challenging weeks where the increase of 0.5 cms onto the rods would cause my dick to slip out due to the increased traction. I just persisted until my dick could do the whole 3-4 hours without retracting. The equipment has held up well and it is also important to note that this equipment is used in the flaccid state, like the bathmate.

TIME SCALE	INCREASE	TOTAL LENGTH
Week 1	0	10 cms (4 in)
Week 2	0.5 cms	10.5 cms (4.2 in)
Week 3	0.5 cms	11 cms (4.4 in)
Week 4	0.5 cms	11.5 cms (4.6 in)
Week 5	0.5 cms	12 cms (4.8 in)
Week 6	0.5 cms	12.5 cms (5.0 in)
Week 7	0.5 cms	13 cms (5.2 in)
Week 8	0.5 cms	13.5 cms (5.4 in)
Week 9	0.5 cms	14 cms (5.6 in)
Week 10	0.5 cms	14.5 cms (5.8 in)
10 days later	0.5 cms	15 cms (6.0 in)
10 days later	0.5 cms	15.5 cms (6.2 in)

Jelqing: Now this was probably the most challenging. I failed to maintain the minimum 60% erection state consistently throughout the whole training period. Subsequently, there was significant time jelqing in the 10-30% erect range which I believe did not help to maximise erect gains. It did however probably contribute to flaccid gains.

LIFESTYLE: I lead a high stress lifestyle with long work hours and a heavy study load. Family pressures and other general life challenges also exist. Subsequently, I know that I do not get anywhere near enough rest and sleep as I should. I have a few drinks each night after work and occasionally binge on the weekends. I make no excuses...I am simply factoring these things in to the overall assessment of PE undertaken and potential outcomes.

RESULTS: I found the results unusual in some regards but not surprising in others. Here are the measurements that I took today which I used as an additional rest day (normally just Fridays)

BP Flaccid Length: 5.625 inches
MS Flaccid Girth: 5.0 inches
BP Erect Length: 6.61 inches
MS Erect Girth: 5.0 inches

*Erect measurements taken at about 85-90% erection capability. All measurements (and accompanying photos) were taken on my rest day.*

OUTCOMES: My greatest gains have been in the flaccid state. I have increased my BP Flaccid Length by +0.625 inches. I have increased my flaccid girth by +0.5 inches. Strangely, this has not translated to any gains in the erect state. Taking into account the starting measurements in my signature, I have maintained my erect proportions (the slight deviation in length is so little that I can perhaps put that down to environmental, time of day etc.) It is curious that my erect girth now equals my flaccid girth. Interesting and yet I am without explanation for this.

So, I have a more pronounced flaccid dick which is nice. I am not disheartened at all by the lack of increases for the erect state.

THEORIES AND THE WAY FORWARD: I have some suspicion that a heavy program such as this did not allow sufficient rest time. Essentially, it was 4 days of jelqing, bathmate and andropenis followed by one rest day and then 2 days of andropenis going straight back into the four day 'full cycle'. My intention is now to go to a 2 and 1 cycle to see if this allows the extra time for growth and healing. Further, I intend to modify my program to include a far greater emphasis on jelqing and EDGING. I am fully of the belief that I need to apply more effort in going for more blood flow into penis at the 60-80% range whilst training. I think, based on the huge lexicon of lore on this site, that the outcomes from these practices are clear in their success for erect gains. Lots of training in the flaccid state has probably stretched the penis and ligaments well to give me the flaccid increases mentioned.

So, more jelqing, edging and rest days are on the cards. I will post an updated schedule/routine as soon as it has been completed.

** FEEL FREE TO COMMENT AND THERE IS ALSO PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE UNDER MY PROFILE **

Thanks so much for reading and stay disciplined and unwavering in your endeavours my brothers