Are you a man? Or a male?

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

This

but you can't make a man take the red pill.

and there are so many haters, so many so invested in their existing beliefs, so many white knights; all agaisnt you and telling everyone not to listen to you.

so many men who think they know about relationships becuase they are married, when their wives actually picked them, they felt gratitude for being picked becuase they don't value themselves, their wives set the frame for the relationship, and even let them feel like they are in charge, so then these guys can talk about how they are "alpha" when the truth is they are owned.

Suplication, apologizing for everything they say and do, or being afraid to say what they want, all engrained to such a level they actually think they are in manly in charge guys.

Its sickening once your eyes are opened.

I am glad I am not one of those guys, I seen, i wanted and 15 years later I am still banging the bottom out of it and I will again tonight.

[mcpecker Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcpecker]

I'm an educated person

Go on...

Their is thousands of men on there to quantify the advice given.

I see...

[slikkmeister Banned Find all posts View Profile Close slikkmeister]

Yes, I mistakenly put is, instead of are. You're truly a genius to catch that and try to use it as a shaming tactic. Get a life BRO...

[CaptainJohnson Retired ModeratorSenior MemberPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CaptainJohnson]

I really hate the title of this post, but I appreciate the idea.

Too many boys grow up too shy to take the risks they need to. So many of these boys never discover their confidence with women, and never truly explore their sexuality. Male identity has become this twisted obscured ball of activities instead of ideals. We view "manliness" as being good at sports, or bench pressing more than the next guy, or chugging down beers instead of wine at the local bar. You know, "guy things".

This form of activity-related gender identity is foolish. It isn't the activities that make us manly, it is our attitude and behaviour during any action we take. I could choose to take ballet, and if I do it with strength, confidence, wit, and a bit of a sense of humour, I can still be manly as all fuck. Hell, Adrian Paul, the lead actor in "The Highlander" did ballet.

Another mistake guys make, is they think being manly is somehow related to a lack of emotional expression. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life. The ability to express yourself emotionally is far sexier than closing off your emotions, as long as you know how to control those emotions. Sometimes there are times to cry, and sometimes there are times you must forgo the tears to get shit done. If you know your own emotions, you will learn the emotions of others around you easier. Emotions are the gateway to passion, and sexual tension cannot be built without them.

[mcpecker Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcpecker]

Yes, I mistakenly put is, instead of are. You're truly a genius to catch that and try to use it as a shaming tactic. Get a life BRO...

I apologize, twas simple and innocent gentle ribbing (for your pleasure).

I do appreciate the sentiment of this whole dealio-thingamabob. Men have been put through the ringer since radical feminism has taken hold in the last few decades. I disagree with the approach taken here, but understand the frustration.

There are very few actual good male role models. That's the main issue, as I see it. Hell, I grew up without a father and spent most of my life figuring out what "being a man" meant. Certainly got zero help from media, and sometimes even less from those I placed as mentors in my life. The church didn't help, and philosophy and psychology just brought me down a road that ultimately led to more divisiveness (where I think this whole thread sort of lies), rather than true understanding and empathy .

It wasn't until I got over my own ego that I began to feel more comfortable in my own skin. It wasn't until I began to forgive and empathize with others that I truly started to understand a fundamental truth: deep down, man or woman, black or white or brown, we are all really the same. We have fears and hopes and dreams and insecurity. I truly believe all human actions are derived from two sources: love or fear. And I also truly believe that fear is an illusion. So there is only love.

Once I placed this as the foundation of my worldview, the rest became much easier. Nobody is put on this earth to be conquered or manipulated or punished or rewarded. Everyone is looking for love and acceptance. Regardless of our faults, that is what we seek. No one is above or below another. We are all equal. We are all one.

I suppose I am male; it may be a subjective issue if I'm a "man" or not - and not one that I care terribly about at this point in my life, because I am simply human. And nothing more. But also, nothing less.

[MrsLooking4more Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2013PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close MrsLooking4more]

Wow, interesting thread. I personally am not attracted to PUA. I am married but believe in So. Florida that is the biggest way for you to get hit on. I prefer men to be themselves not try the BS charm.

I think is funny some people that are complaining that married men have it bad. Like BigO said and I reiterate in my case, I can guarantee you my husband is very happy with the amount of action he gets and has been getting for 23+ years and we are BDSMers so believe me we have fun.

If someone needs to read some self helps books on how to pick up a partner or get more confidence, by all means do. We ladies have self confidence issues too, just don't let the advice become a persona. You still need to be you applying what you have learned. There are people out there doing the PUA (men and woman) that are so fake you can only smile at them and think to yourself poor deluded man/woman.

If you are looking for a serious relationship then be real, you won't want to be stuck later on with a fake persona, if however you are just looking for a hook up, then it doesn't matter if you are showing your true colors or not.

[Roguish75 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Roguish75]

Yes, I mistakenly put is, instead of are. You're truly a genius to catch that and try to use it as a shaming tactic. Get a life BRO...

Yes I knew some internet commando would try to invalidate your comments based on grammar.

The relationship between grammar, spelling etc, and real life experience or truth is non existent.

I knew what you meant, so did everyone else reading your post which means you successfully communicated.


Unfortunately idiots, who happen to have good grammar, are going to disbelieve what you say based on yours.

[slikkmeister Banned Find all posts View Profile Close slikkmeister]

I don't care for the PUA tactics myself either. I'm not interested in playing games with people to sleep with them. I guess what I'm really trying to do is get in touch with my primal instincts, and develop a natural and positive approach to everything in my life. The world seems so surreal to me since I started down this path. I definitely see things different than before. Almost like my eyes have been opened to a truth that very few will understand. At least, that's the way it seems to me.

[Roguish75 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Roguish75]

IMO all the anti PUA on this site is based on thinking the PUA community is still where it was fifteen years ago.

What I would call third wave PUA or what's cutting edge in the manosphere nowadays is about self improvement, being authentic, loving women, and wanting high quality life long relationships. It has nothing to do with "The Game"

That stuff is still out there but it's by and for the children.

This site bashes almost any male self improvement except enlarging dicks, as somehow it's related to PUA. The problem is it's the other way around, PUA is a collection of other preexisting things. You may hate PUA but to say any self improvement or communication training or even dress and grooming improvement is all invalidated because distasteful-to-you PUAs used it is ridiculous.

I'm not going to abandon driving automobiles because westboro baptist people drove to their protest.

[MrsLooking4more Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2013PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close MrsLooking4more]

I did not get an anti PUA vibe from the thread. I guess is a matter of perspective.

[CaptainJohnson Retired ModeratorSenior MemberPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CaptainJohnson]

IMO all the anti PUA on this site is based on thinking the PUA community is still where it was fifteen years ago.

What I would call third wave PUA or what's cutting edge in the manosphere nowadays is about self improvement, being authentic, loving women, and wanting high quality life long relationships. It has nothing to do with "The Game"

That stuff is still out there but it's by and for the children.

This site bashes almost any male self improvement except enlarging dicks, as somehow it's related to PUA. The problem is it's the other way around, PUA is a collection of other preexisting things. You may hate PUA but to say any self improvement or communication training or even dress and grooming improvement is all invalidated because distasteful-to-you PUAs used it is ridiculous.

I'm not going to abandon driving automobiles because westboro baptist people drove to their protest.

This is not an "anti-PUA" thread. I don't see how that has anything to do with manliness, but while we are on the subject...

I was into PUA. What got me out? The moment I realized that I didn't need it anymore. I remember that moment came after a bout of depression. I was concerned all my interactions with women would be the same. I felt like I was repeating a formula over and over again, and I wasn't having real connections. I also realized I had completely conquered my social fears, so that was when I decided to improvise and stop worrying about the "science" of social and sexual interaction. I think there is a point when you develop beyond the tools PUA provides. It was a good moment for me. PUA provided me some great training wheels, but eventually, you outgrow them.

As for the community, I had involved myself in that too, and quickly learned I did not like what I saw. The PUA community is drenched in misogyny and chauvinistic tendencies. The manipulative attitudes many of these "men" have is just obscene. You are probably not one of those douchebags, but you can't deny they are there, and they really do make up a very large core of the PUA community. It makes sense, really. Take a bunch of awkward male teens who have been ignored by girls all their lives, give them a little bit of control over the situation, and what do you get? Years of pent-up sexual inadequacy and aggression poured out in the name of "rocking a set" or "perfecting your routine" while out "sarging". The humanity of an interaction is ripped away for the safety of one's own ego.

Nonetheless, PUA uses many aspects of social psychology, NLP, cognitive behavioural therapy, and behaviour modification that can effectively aid an individual in changing their behaviours, overcoming emotional/social trauma, and help change their self-perception. There is a lot of good there, but the locker room mentality, and collective insecurities overshadow all that.

If you are a fan of PUA, that is good. I've been there. I hope you use it well, and eventually outgrow it too.

[slikkmeister Banned Find all posts View Profile Close slikkmeister]

I'm bumping this because I'd like some of the guys posting in this forum to read it....
Also, Redpill Reddit and TheRationalMale are some other great places to find some great info.
I been seeing a lot of messages on the forum about women problems, so here you guys go. All the advice, real advice, not advice from wannabe's and know it all's .... Check out those pages and please read the book of pook!!!!!
Lastly, STOP ASKING WOMEN FOR ADVICE ON A RELATIONSHIP>>>>>>>>>>
IMO, and many others, that's the absolute worse thing you can do... Nice guy blah blah blah. Wait for a nice girl, blah blah blah.
Hope someone out there reads this and it helps them... It did for me!

[MrB8 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close MrB8]

I'm bumping this because I'd like some of the guys posting in this forum to read it....
Also, Redpill Reddit and TheRationalMale are some other great places to find some great info.
I been seeing a lot of messages on the forum about women problems, so here you guys go. All the advice, real advice, not advice from wannabe's and know it all's .... Check out those pages and please read the book of pook!!!!!
Lastly, STOP ASKING WOMEN FOR ADVICE ON A RELATIONSHIP>>>>>>>>>>
IMO, and many others, that's the absolute worse thing you can do... Nice guy blah blah blah. Wait for a nice girl, blah blah blah.
Hope someone out there reads this and it helps them... It did for me!

Why not ask ladies for relationship advice??

And why is looking for the right person not a good idea??

[mcpecker Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcpecker]

I got 99 problems and this BUMP ain't one.

[slikkmeister Banned Find all posts View Profile Close slikkmeister]

I'm not here to answer any questions or debate this anymore. Just trying to spread the word for guys who aren't in the know. I, refuse to be drawn into a debate about any of this. Go look at the sites, read the info, and then ask me questions privately. If you read this stuff you shouldn't have any questions.