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    Hey everyone! It's been quite a while since I've been around, but here I am I've got some things going on and I'm sort of reaching out, asking all your opinions on the situation and hopefully, a few of you will be able to chime in some advice/similar experiences, etc. I've been flipping on my choices more than pancakes do at IHop. Gonna try to make it short and sweet but with all the pertinent details.

    My best friend....or maybe not so much anymore :/ Here's the deal. I love her.....she's my sister from another mother, but she stresses me out and has more problems than a college math book. It seems she's always bringing her issues to me to help figure out. When I suggest changes she needs to do, she finds excuses for herself. She has marriage issues...big ones, trust issues....that pretty much stem from her previous relationships. She's got a good husband, and I feel bad for him. For her, she thinks he's the one who needs to change. I personally think she's abusive to him. She was on the receiving end of the abuse in her previous marriages and I think it's hardened her to this point. (Not an excuse for how she's treating him though)

    Past the marriage issues she brings me to deal with, we have children who are the same age. In the beginning, it was awesome. We were pretty much all best friends. Now, our oldest children aren't speaking to each other at school anymore and it's caused issues between me and her. She's the type of Mama who runs in, guns blazing when she feels any wrong is done to her kids. My husband and I aren't that way. We try to sit back and let our kids work things out on their own to gain experience with their own personal relationships. Anytime their children feel my kids do them wrong, she or her husband are bringing these issues to us(me and my husband) and the way they speak about it, it's like their kids do no wrong and it's all on my kids. I'll be the first to tell ya, my kids aren't perfect and are going to continue to make mistakes, but they aren't always to blame.

    Her oldest daughter is somewhat jealous of our friendship, and has told her Mom just this. We had an argument last year and she flat out told her Mama that she was happy that we weren't speaking and was trying to cause us issues. She's even lied on me on occasion to cause a rift between us. We talked through this and I explained to her I didn't want to step in and try to mediate with our kids. That they needed to figure out things on their own and yadda yadda yadda. Also, told her that our kids would soon be grown and we ourselves were entitled to have friends. She agreed and for awhile it was going good.

    Our fellas work together and as of late, she's making her husband talk to my husband about the kids. Yay!!! I feel like she can't stay out of their minor issues. She's gotten herself involved and has made small little things into large problems. This is one reason our oldest girls are speaking anymore.

    She has a very short fuse and when she's mad, her tongue starts wagging before her brain kicks in and I've been hurt by her. She's apologized of course, but I've got walls up and in the past few weeks, I've shut her out. I've told her that our friendship is pretty much over. She is one who has to have answers and everything laid out for her and I've simply told her that I honestly didn't want to go there.

    With saying all the negative, I miss her. I miss our good times, I guess I miss the thought of having a best friend that shared so many similar things together. Am I wrong to shut her out? Am I just trying to save my own sanity? Should I be more compassionate and open to her? My husband thinks she's a little on the crazy side and have done the right thing to cut her off, but still. Just because she chooses to raise her kids a bit differently than me, was I wrong to dismiss her side, to throw my walls up?

    I just don't know. I've made this thread way longer than I wanted and I hope some of you were able to stay with me to read through my mumble jumble. Do I need to apologize and make amends or should I continue down the road I'm on and shut the door?

    Help......
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  • #2
    This is certainly a tough situation for you. In my opinion I think you have done the right thing. You do need to save your sanity. It's really an unhealthy relationship and you and your family really don't need this stress in your life.
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    • #3
      Friends hurt each other. Sometimes they bad mouth each other; they can be mean and shortsighted. But they can, and are, the most wonderful of human beings.We also love them do we not? How do you stop loving? I really don't know how.

      As for kids; it has happened in my life as well. I simply say that's for the kids to figure out and not the grownups. If they still want to talk about kid stuff then I get some rum!
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      • #4
        Thread moved to relationship forum....just sayin'...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cavalier View Post
          This is certainly a tough situation for you. In my opinion I think you have done the right thing. You do need to save your sanity. It's really an unhealthy relationship and you and your family really don't need this stress in your life.
          Originally posted by CUSP82 View Post
          Friends hurt each other. Sometimes they bad mouth each other; they can be mean and shortsighted. But they can, and are, the most wonderful of human beings.We also love them do we not? How do you stop loving? I really don't know how.

          As for kids; it has happened in my life as well. I simply say that's for the kids to figure out and not the grownups. If they still want to talk about kid stuff then I get some rum!
          Thanks to you both for your comments. Obviously, I care deeply/love her and ultimately want this perfect friendship, hence the thread. Lol, I know that's not possible but I want peace with whatever decision I make in this...no regrets. I know I am quick to throw up a wall and find excuses to cut tail and run, so I'm trying to figure out if that's what I'm doing now, or if I'm actually in a sinking ship. I value each of your opinions and thank you so much so far for the responses. <3
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          If you want respect, give respect.
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          • #6
            Just to point out, in my 54 years, I have never been in a relationship with a friend that had such drama. Life really is too short and it should be filled with the good times, not the ones that cause you to reach for the liquor cabinet to calm your nerves. That said, if she values your friendship as much as you do, she will seek you out. You have drawn a line in the sand and it is not up to you to go back over it, she caused the line and therefore should be the one to try to erase it. At such time, you can look her square in the eyes and tell her that the drama needs to stop. Tell her that you value the friendship, and you love her but its time to set parameters around the friendship. Then take the kids out of the mix, stop the competition between each other, and move on. Forgive, but don't forget, is a motto of mine.

            I am probably the truest friend that there ever can be, until you cross me. Fortunately, I have been crossed, but never by close friends, only acquaintances. I think that you have expended enough energy and worry, time for her to put in an effort.

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            • #7
              Besides you what other real friend does she have?
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              • #8
                If you still want to be friends, then lay it all out to her. Give her a very easy to understand talking to. Say you love her and miss her, but, you have boundaries and rules. Be clear and concise, but don't blame her. Explain why the things she does bothers you. Explain that you want her in your life, but her behavior needs to change for that to happen. If she cares as much about you as you do for her, she will make the effort. If not, you have your answer. All relationships need rules and boundaries, some more then others.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CUSP82 View Post
                  Besides you what other real friend does she have?
                  She has other friends/acquaintances(1-2), but none that have been as close as we've gotten.....none that she's opened up to.

                  *Just to note from rereading my op: Please don't think she's all negative. She's really not...maybe 65% of the time, lol.
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                  • #10
                    Ok SLU, and I think I know the answer to this already; how good would you sleep at night if you cut her loose?
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                    • #11
                      Losing a friendship like that is hard. Scratch that. Losing a friendship like that is heart-breaking.

                      Although you may miss her friendship, I completely understand why you'd want to call the friendship quits. My suggestion is kind of my standard answer... communication.

                      You've told her that your friendship is pretty much over, but have you explained why -- and, more importantly, how it could possibly be saved?

                      Explain to her that although you will always be there to listen to her problems, you feel disrespected that when you give suggestions, she seems to ignore them. (Although, in the future - if there's a future - you need to clarify when she complains about something, "Do you want me to help you fix this, or do you just want me to sympathize with you and hear you?" Sometimes people don't want advice, they simply want an ear to bend to vent. I have a friend like this.)

                      Then, set some ground rules on the kids. Appreciate that she steps in for her kids, as I'm sure you would for yours if it was truly needed, but let her know that your relationship has to be separate from the kids. Unless there's something really serious where adults need to step in, the kids need to sort themselves out. And, sometimes kids don't stay best friends... just like adults. And, that's OK. People sometimes grow apart. She needs to respect that.

                      I would also talk about how her words have hurt you in the past. Even if she didn't mean them to, they did. This can't continue. She needs to get her temper at least under control enough to not spout off. She's an adult, for goodness sake. Explain that although an apology is always appreciated, people who are truly sorry about their actions try to make sure they don't do the same thing again and again. If they repeat something they've said they are sorry for, then the sorry was just lip service.

                      It'll be hard to have a conversation like this, without her getting defensive. Sprinkle amongst this how much you really do miss her friendship, and you really do want this to work. Tell her how you miss the good times you've had together and how valuable a friend like her is, and that your end goal isn't to berate her, but to find someway that the two of you can rebuild your relationship.

                      At that point, the ball's in her court. Be open to her trying to fix this. Understand that she (like all of us) is human and will likely mess up. However, if the positive changes continue, keep your heart open.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CUSP82 View Post
                        Ok SLU, and I think I know the answer to this already; how good would you sleep at night if you cut her loose?
                        Hell Cusp, I'm already not sleeping good at the point I'm at with it all, lol. I've never had a heartbreak, but damn, I think this is about as close as I can get. I feel like crap o la every time I see her. I just wanted to find out if I'm being a major bitch with this all. I know that all parents don't parent like me(don't expect them to), and I'm open to her way, even supportive, but the question is, what to do when it starts affecting my household?

                        I've tried to explain to her that our kids aren't going to be young and in our households forever and we need to separate those two relationships.

                        I guess I just need to talk to her and lay it all out. At least it'll give me peace of mind.
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                        If you want love, give love.
                        If you want honesty, give honesty.
                        If you want respect, give respect.
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                        • #13
                          If the two, of you can ever discuss how to set good examples, that all of your children can benefit from, then jointly you both may find a common cause. Sometimes both having a mutual goal, can be a helpful method.
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                          • #14
                            Listen to your heart; it will help you figure everything out, even with the kids. Don't mean to put the pressure on because I know you've done that already.It will all work out; right now is just a rough patch.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KMWylie View Post
                              Losing a friendship like that is hard. Scratch that. Losing a friendship like that is heart-breaking.

                              Although you may miss her friendship, I completely understand why you'd want to call the friendship quits. My suggestion is kind of my standard answer... communication.

                              You've told her that your friendship is pretty much over, but have you explained why -- and, more importantly, how it could possibly be saved?

                              Explain to her that although you will always be there to listen to her problems, you feel disrespected that when you give suggestions, she seems to ignore them. (Although, in the future - if there's a future - you need to clarify when she complains about something, "Do you want me to help you fix this, or do you just want me to sympathize with you and hear you?" Sometimes people don't want advice, they simply want an ear to bend to vent. I have a friend like this.)

                              Then, set some ground rules on the kids. Appreciate that she steps in for her kids, as I'm sure you would for yours if it was truly needed, but let her know that your relationship has to be separate from the kids. Unless there's something really serious where adults need to step in, the kids need to sort themselves out. And, sometimes kids don't stay best friends... just like adults. And, that's OK. People sometimes grow apart. She needs to respect that.

                              I would also talk about how her words have hurt you in the past. Even if she didn't mean them to, they did. This can't continue. She needs to get her temper at least under control enough to not spout off. She's an adult, for goodness sake. Explain that although an apology is always appreciated, people who are truly sorry about their actions try to make sure they don't do the same thing again and again. If they repeat something they've said they are sorry for, then the sorry was just lip service.

                              It'll be hard to have a conversation like this, without her getting defensive. Sprinkle amongst this how much you really do miss her friendship, and you really do want this to work. Tell her how you miss the good times you've had together and how valuable a friend like her is, and that your end goal isn't to berate her, but to find someway that the two of you can rebuild your relationship.

                              At that point, the ball's in her court. Be open to her trying to fix this. Understand that she (like all of us) is human and will likely mess up. However, if the positive changes continue, keep your heart open.

                              *hugs*
                              Heartbreak is a mf...er! Like seriously! Thank you for your post. I truly appreciate your words. For my own sanity, yes, I need to sit down and talk with her. At first, I didn't want to even deal with it all until I wrapped my head around things, so yeah, I pansied out the quick, "I'm not going there." response. Pretty sure that has done some damage, because I can see the hurt/pain on her face when she sees me. Hell, she won't even look at me right now.

                              On the advice thing: it's not that I feel unheard or disrespected. I sure don't think I've got golden advice that she should take notes on and follow through 100%. Hell, I need all the advice I can get as well. The issue with that is the fact I feel she skirts out of responsibility of her own actions in the relationship and there's always a justification for herself.

                              Mainly, our issues are our kids. Bottom line. Gonna think it all over this weekend and give her a call and see if she wants to talk. I might have already burnt a bridge. But, I'm still going to give it a go. Wish me luck.
                              Be a reflection of what you'd like to see in others.
                              If you want love, give love.
                              If you want honesty, give honesty.
                              If you want respect, give respect.
                              You get in return, what you give.

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