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It is very difficult to get total 4 wey kegel isolation. By this I mean it is hard to do front standard without some back standard creeping in same with reverse. Don't be too concerned unless you feel there is a particular weakness in a certain direction.

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Mr. McPeepee,

Really awesome to hear you saw some improvement after just one day. Thats a good sign! My EQ took was worse the first few days, but I was doing a Spartan 300 workout for my poor PF musles. I've toned it down to what that study did. You are totally right about kegeling every day, and sticking to exactly what they did in Dorey's study. Thanks for the reminder. Should have started out like that but I will go every day from here out.

As far as the walking at 50% goes, I too forget to do it when I'm just walking around the house etc., so I've been walking places I would otherwise drive to (mostly the gym), or just taking my dogs out, and going with the intention of the walk also being a PF workout. Its also hard for me to not use my abs at all while kegeling, this is mostly a problem once my PF get tired. Its actually the muscles between the abs and my groin, and strangely, mostly on the right side.

My EQ has improved, but it is up and down. I wake up with about a 70% wood every other night (never in the morning though). They're only 70% but its improvement so I'll take it. I took 4 days off from any masturbation and my EQ was better, I was harder and could keep it up for over 20s without stimulation. I'm only looking at porn about 1/week, my erections are a bit better then. Other than that just my imagination. The improvement is there but nothing major. Still only 2wks in though. I'm going to reevaluate at 1 month.

I am also doing a light version of JP's 90 day routine, only MWF.
12min warmup
20 light JAI stretches
25 quick kegel stretches (left, right, out, up) each followed by 10 circle stretches l & r and 10 helicopters
50 overhand ok-grip jelqs
30 V-jelqs
50 underhand ok-grip jelqs
30 overhand ^ V-jelqs (some call them lambda jelqs)

I do the jelqs really slowly (at least 5s/jelq), the whole routine takes just over 1 hr.

Are you also doing any PE other than PF exercises?

To you and Pegasus, thx for your answers about the front/back kegels. I'm not going to worry about isolating too much, though when I do seated kegels I will do them with my chest on my knees. This works front (BC) much more, and that's weakest for me.

I posted this here in case anyone else wants to know what we're doing, but PMs work too.

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[babyface Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close babyface]

Hey buddy

I didn't read all the posts here but I thought the same about the vein. I'm 32 and fit but it feels like iv lost control of the big boy. I found out I have heriditary high cholestrol. This skrews up your mate also. If you check yourself out early itl save you from developing cardiovascular desease. It's worth a look into. I had my testosterone levels checked also and saw a ed specialist. I'm going on statin but heared one should use q10 when on statin. In the mean while use damiana daily and maura puma for a week. This will kick start your boner get it from a health shop. Hope this helps. Stay strong

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Mr. McPeepee,

Really awesome to hear you saw some improvement after just one day. Thats a good sign! My EQ took was worse the first few days, but I was doing a Spartan 300 workout for my poor PF musles. I've toned it down to what that study did. You are totally right about kegeling every day, and sticking to exactly what they did in Dorey's study. Thanks for the reminder. Should have started out like that but I will go every day from here out.

As far as the walking at 50% goes, I too forget to do it when I'm just walking around the house etc., so I've been walking places I would otherwise drive to (mostly the gym), or just taking my dogs out, and going with the intention of the walk also being a PF workout. Its also hard for me to not use my abs at all while kegeling, this is mostly a problem once my PF get tired. Its actually the muscles between the abs and my groin, and strangely, mostly on the right side.

My EQ has improved, but it is up and down. I wake up with about a 70% wood every other night (never in the morning though). They're only 70% but its improvement so I'll take it. I took 4 days off from any masturbation and my EQ was better, I was harder and could keep it up for over 20s without stimulation. I'm only looking at porn about 1/week, my erections are a bit better then. Other than that just my imagination. The improvement is there but nothing major. Still only 2wks in though. I'm going to reevaluate at 1 month.

I am also doing a light version of JP's 90 day routine, only MWF.
12min warmup
20 light JAI stretches
25 quick kegel stretches (left, right, out, up) each followed by 10 circle stretches l & r and 10 helicopters
50 overhand ok-grip jelqs
30 V-jelqs
50 underhand ok-grip jelqs
30 overhand ^ V-jelqs (some call them lambda jelqs)

I do the jelqs really slowly (at least 5s/jelq), the whole routine takes just over 1 hr.

Are you also doing any PE other than PF exercises?

To you and Pegasus, thx for your answers about the front/back kegels. I'm not going to worry about isolating too much, though when I do seated kegels I will do them with my chest on my knees. This works front (BC) much more, and that's weakest for me.

I posted this here in case anyone else wants to know what we're doing, but PMs work too.

I am getting a bit of morning wood There not full, but have been kind of semi hard the last couple of mornings, which is good improvement. As for porn, I gave up hc porn last December for erection reasons, still look at pictures now and again, really need to for jelqing but when masturbating I will not have any visuals. Found great benefits from giving up hc porn, I really don't need it any more, I still get really strong urges to watch some, but can function without it now. Only look at pictures and soft youtube stuff for jelqing purposes, but plan to give up everything if my erection gets on easy street .

My pe routine, other than pf exercises;
Shower warm up
Jelqing (high erection level (girth)) till I feel done, sometimes I take ages between sets to get erection back, but usually jelq for about 15-20 mins
High erection level clamping at base (with hand), pc flexing prior to clamp to get max engorgement 25 sec x 5
Cool down

I can hold an erection with pf muscles and no stim for about 18-20 secs before it really dies, looking to improve this also, maybe you could get to the point with these you can hold it indefinitely, would be great Will time again weekly I think. Not that I think this is a true measure of eq, but is a part of it.

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Babyface, pretty1, thx for the suggestions. User palladin posted on another thread about sleep apnea as an erection killer. I saw a sleep doc today who said my symptoms (ED, near-nightly nightmares and yelling, all-day fatigue, some depression, irritability) could def be caused by either sleep apnea or a REM sleep disorder. Doing one of those sleep studies this month where they wire you up and record your brainwaves. I'm seriously hoping I have sleep disorder, bc the treatments are pretty straightforward and the improved sleep can bring erections back. I'm going to look into sleep disorders first, if thats not the problem I will def have my cholesterol levels checked.

McPenis, other than your mornig wood (happy to hear you're getting those!), do you ever get erections without physical stimulation? I.E. while daydreaming, seeing a sweet ass in tight jeans, watching porn? And on a scale of 1-10, what is your maximum EQ while masturbating? You probably already know this, but careful with the high erection levels while jelqing. I've heard they can be dangerous before you're well conditioned. How long have you been PEing? Girth is what I need too, but I'm nervous to make my EQ any worse than it is so I'm holding off any high erection level jelqing.

[Mr McPenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mr McPenis]

I can get erections without physical stimulation when sexually aroused sometimes, I have noticed it only really happens if I'm not trying if you get what I mean, like if I was aroused by something and tried to get an unassisted erection it wouldn't happen at all. These are never full erections, but 'semis' at best, which I need a bit of stim to be fully erect. I have to say that the improvement I have made in this area is I think due to stopping the porn, as I have noticed change since then. I hope with these kegels that these semis will become harder and more frequent and perhaps even gain the ability to give yourself an unassisted one Are you getting these kind of erections?
During masturbation I can achieve a decent erection, maybe 9? I forgot to say I have been edging as well, so it gets very strong there, it is really the maintaining it that is the issue as even when I'm edging at the edge I have still needed to give a lot of stim to stop it subsiding towards a semi (I haven't edged in a while though). And you?
Yeah I hear you with the jelqing thing, I've been going about 4/5 weeks, 2 weeks with lower erection levels and the last couple at high levels. 2 days on 1 day off rota. Have been having a bit of an issue with it (quite hard to explain, started a thread about it today in the anomalies and injuries section, not explained clearly there either!). It hasn't really affected my eq though, perhaps improved it slightly. I have pe'd in the past but it has been a very long break. I may decide to substitute the high erection jelqing for something else if it persists, but from what I've read doing it at lower levels is only good for length, so it's either jelq high or not at all, and there's not much that can replace jelqing. Not really anything that I'm aware of that works girth effectively and isn't more advanced or 'dangerous'. How long have you been pe'ing? I think doing girth work in general is quite advanced, so couldn't suggest that you wean your way onto it unless you've been going at least say 2 months. I suppose you could maybe gradually increase the erection level each time to prepare your penis safely? What level are you jelqing at now?

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McP, I need stim to get erect at all. Best I get is a bigger flaccid without stim. I'm going to cut porn out like you, see if that helps. 9 is a pretty good erection man, sounds like maintaining should be your focus. I'm really lucky to get to 7, and I have trouble maintaining that. Best EQ and maintenance when I'm sitting for some reason. Goes to hell when I lie down. I've been PEing for just 2 wks now, so I'm going light. I'd like more girth too but that goal is secondary to EQ, so I'm sticking to this light routine for 2 months at least. I'm not really in much danger of high erection level jelqing bc I can only keep it fairly hard for about 1 stroke then I'm soft. First jelq stroke at about 65%, then by 5th stroke I'm at about 40%, then I get it back up around 65% and repeat.

I read about your issue. Haven't experienced anything like that, so I wish I could be of help. My rule is that if I feel any pain I go really light. The only pain I get is when I grip too hard feels like nerve pain under/sides of my glans, on the coronal ridge. But then I just lay off the kung-fu grip and all better. To paraphrase the wise Kingpole, "Don't hurt the only dick you have!!!" I would definitely use a lighter grip and/or lower erection level the moment you feel pain. A dick like Shaq's forearm isn't going to please anyone if it doesn't work.

[Mr McPenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mr McPenis]

I should point out it takes me a while to get a good erection during masturbation. I really don't get 'semi erect' without stim very often, but I couldn't even get a bigger flaccid without stim a few months back. Cutting out porn should definitely help you get mentally aroused, I mean if you get to the point where most hc porn wasn't really that arousing at all (was kind of the case with me) then you will really struggle to get the least bit excited about seeing a hot girl in the gym or something as tame as a picture of someone 'slightly better than average' wearing underwear or a bikini (which by the way I'm nowhere near this stage - I blame the 'jelqing problem', which I'll explain in a bit). I think these are things that are 'supposed' to turn us on, but obviously porn has wrecked the boundaries I feel.
I'm the same, I find it much harder standing to have a good eq and lying down it just doesn't feel hard and gets lost.
The reason I hate doing pe is probably by the sounds of it the same for you. I spend 90%+ of my jelqing time masturbating, have a few jelqs (max 7/8 and the last one is always at a poor erection level) and repeat, it doesn't matter if I try to collect the blood with my non-jelqing hand and use my pf muscles to help maintain, I just lose it. I have to watch something to try and get me from flaccid to hard multiple times so I gave myself a Youtube rule (I can watch anything on there I like to help me with pe). Youtube is obviously not as bad as hc porn but it can have the same negative effect in the brain. At the start that had a good effect on my penis as I hadn't seen anything at all sexual on my computer in a couple of months, but now it's not enough and I have been getting mega craving for hc porn, I haven't given in yet. I have made since I started some girth gains (roughly an 8th of an inch) so I really want to continue, but am hoping I can at some point do them easier and without visuals.
Have you tried edging? When I edge and stop once I'v gone past the ponr multiple times my dick is harder than I ever see it.

[Rapture Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Rapture]

Same situation

Hi guys, came across this thread with a lot of interest.

I am in virtually the same situation as yourselves. My erection quality decreased hugely about two years ago to the point where I never get hard now without stimulation, whether I am with a girl or masturbating. I need constant stimulation to keep my penis erect.
I have been to several doctors and a urologist. I have been told by many of them that the situation must be psychological, as my blood tests came back perfect. I am 28 years old and am in very good physical condition -- I run long distance etc.. I know there must be a deeper problem however as I never wake up with morning wood and I dont get hard while watching porn unless I keep myself stimulated.

I read the article by Grace Dorey on doing Pelvic Floor Excercises and this gave me great hope. However, trying to implement and actually stick to the regime is incredibly difficult. It takes far more discipline than I imagined at the beginning. I have tried to maintain a regular Pelvic F.E. routine now for the last 6 months but to no avail. I am now starting again and have been doing the exercises for one week. I am determined this time to keep the regimen going for 6 months, so its great to find two other people in the same situation.

So quick questions.
1. Have you any progress update?? I see that the last post was back in April--have you guys continued with your exercises. Any results??
2. I was struck by your interest in these kind of problems EQr. I have thought about getting into this kind of medical area also as a result of my own issues. Do you have any idea how problems associated with the pelvic floor muscles arise??It seems that these exercises are successful because of increased blood flow to the penis. But how did this become a problem in the first place?? We are both young, healthy men??
3. I have an additional problem in that the level of my ejaculate is extremely low. Have any of you had a similar issue?? It happened at exactly the same time as my erection difficulties.
4. I have a strong feeling that these kind of issues are a combination of psychological and physical. What do you think??

Thanks for listening guys. This is my first post so I hope I kept to the rules, standards, etc.
Id really like an update on your progress and advice/views on the issues I raised.
Also, feel free to pm/email me.

[kenlee6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close kenlee6]

Hi guys, came across this thread with a lot of interest.

I am in virtually the same situation as yourselves. My erection quality decreased hugely about two years ago to the point where I never get hard now without stimulation, whether I am with a girl or masturbating. I need constant stimulation to keep my penis erect.
I have been to several doctors and a urologist. I have been told by many of them that the situation must be psychological, as my blood tests came back perfect. I am 28 years old and am in very good physical condition -- I run long distance etc.. I know there must be a deeper problem however as I never wake up with morning wood and I dont get hard while watching porn unless I keep myself stimulated.

I read the article by Grace Dorey on doing Pelvic Floor Excercises and this gave me great hope. However, trying to implement and actually stick to the regime is incredibly difficult. It takes far more discipline than I imagined at the beginning. I have tried to maintain a regular Pelvic F.E. routine now for the last 6 months but to no avail. I am now starting again and have been doing the exercises for one week. I am determined this time to keep the regimen going for 6 months, so its great to find two other people in the same situation.

So quick questions.
1. Have you any progress update?? I see that the last post was back in April--have you guys continued with your exercises. Any results??
2. I was struck by your interest in these kind of problems EQr. I have thought about getting into this kind of medical area also as a result of my own issues. Do you have any idea how problems associated with the pelvic floor muscles arise??It seems that these exercises are successful because of increased blood flow to the penis. But how did this become a problem in the first place?? We are both young, healthy men??
3. I have an additional problem in that the level of my ejaculate is extremely low. Have any of you had a similar issue?? It happened at exactly the same time as my erection difficulties.
4. I have a strong feeling that these kind of issues are a combination of psychological and physical. What do you think??

Thanks for listening guys. This is my first post so I hope I kept to the rules, standards, etc.
Id really like an update on your progress and advice/views on the issues I raised.
Also, feel free to pm/email me.

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[Rapture Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Rapture]

Thanks Kenlee,

very interesting. Im not sure if it is the source of the problem but certainly a possibility.
Have you had issues relating to this?

[ED 1987 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ED 1987]

Hi guys, came across this thread with a lot of interest.

I am in virtually the same situation as yourselves. My erection quality decreased hugely about two years ago to the point where I never get hard now without stimulation, whether I am with a girl or masturbating. I need constant stimulation to keep my penis erect.
I have been to several doctors and a urologist. I have been told by many of them that the situation must be psychological, as my blood tests came back perfect. I am 28 years old and am in very good physical condition -- I run long distance etc.. I know there must be a deeper problem however as I never wake up with morning wood and I dont get hard while watching porn unless I keep myself stimulated.

I read the article by Grace Dorey on doing Pelvic Floor Excercises and this gave me great hope. However, trying to implement and actually stick to the regime is incredibly difficult. It takes far more discipline than I imagined at the beginning. I have tried to maintain a regular Pelvic F.E. routine now for the last 6 months but to no avail. I am now starting again and have been doing the exercises for one week. I am determined this time to keep the regimen going for 6 months, so its great to find two other people in the same situation.

So quick questions.
1. Have you any progress update?? I see that the last post was back in April--have you guys continued with your exercises. Any results??
2. I was struck by your interest in these kind of problems EQr. I have thought about getting into this kind of medical area also as a result of my own issues. Do you have any idea how problems associated with the pelvic floor muscles arise??It seems that these exercises are successful because of increased blood flow to the penis. But how did this become a problem in the first place?? We are both young, healthy men??
3. I have an additional problem in that the level of my ejaculate is extremely low. Have any of you had a similar issue?? It happened at exactly the same time as my erection difficulties.
4. I have a strong feeling that these kind of issues are a combination of psychological and physical. What do you think??

Thanks for listening guys. This is my first post so I hope I kept to the rules, standards, etc.
Id really like an update on your progress and advice/views on the issues I raised.
Also, feel free to pm/email me.

Have you read this:

https://www.pegym.com/forums/erectile-dysfunction-forum/27930-erectile-dysfunction-pelvic-floor.html

Don't know if it will help you but there is stuff about the pelvic floor there.

3. Yes I think. Have a similar issue.

4. I think phycological may creep in after long term physical problems...

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Electrical Simulation

In your post you mentioned electrical simulation, how do you do this? With a device?

[Rapture Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Rapture]

Hi ED1987,

thanks for that post. Yes, I saw that thread a few days ago and it seems interesting.

A major problem seems to be that people cannot stick to the pelvic floor/kegel exercises. Its incredibly difficult to stick to a rigorous regime. Pegasus has also pointed this out in the thread.
Have any guys had this problem??
I know I have. About 7 months ago I discovered the research into the connection between pelvic floor muscles and ED. Since then, I have not been able to keep to a strict routine of exercises. I have started again now recently and have made out a chart to map my progress and keep me motivated.

Another common occurance seems to be the return of morning wood after starting a regime of kegeling. This happened with me briefly and Ive heard other guys say the same in these forums. Surely this is a very positive sign. Im very optimistic that sticking to the regime will yield big improvements -- if not cure the problem.

How did you get on with the exercises ED1987--did they help you?
Would like to hear from EQr and MrMP also.