Ketogenic Diet

[longerlastingnoob Senior Member Member of the Month Jan 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close longerlastingnoob]

I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff, but I like what your posting and not just because your "certified" but it does ring true. I have been eating a lot of organic meat, veg fruit and trying to avoid the shit, I still faulter. I'm trying to clean bulk, any dietry recommendations, no illnesses or allergies and stawing away from vits and supps.

This was directed to toadstool, sorry I didn't say.

[Sean Jacobs Retired Moderator Member of the Month Dec 2012PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Sean Jacobs]

Zman and Toadstool.

I'm not going to continue to argue over this topic it is just too frustrating. While I have never attended school for health and nutrition I have been researching the topics for almost 30 years. I read countless books and articles health and fitness from all angles. I've followed several plans with varying levels of success. There is conflicting science and opinions for everything I've read. I was just on a bodybuilding site (I am not a body builder by the way) with an entire section dedicated to Keto and many of them who have had enormous success. There are countless people who have had success on other plans as well. I appreciate your concern, but understand that I am not stupid. I know that keto has worked well for many people, and not well for others. I always do an enormous amount of research prior to trying anything new. If I have negative side effects I will absolutely stop. If I have great success, then I will continue.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Okay you guys I'm having a fried egg on a roll with bacon, ketchup, and some really greasy homefries. You guys go eat whatever you like but remrmber what is good for one may not be good for another!

[lobey Banned Find all posts View Profile Close lobey]

eating low carb, high saturated fat, high to moderate protein has transformed my body at the age of 50(without over-exercising)....call it ketogenic or not- you don't have to go down to 20 to 30 carbs per day to see the benefits...it is about training your body to use fat for fuel instead of depending on the ups and downs of sugar. And reducing inflammation.


and actually ...after the initial adjustment .....the mental clarity is amazing......but then again I have actually done this long term and witnessed others first hand that have seen the same results...so what do I know?


and for this idea that everyone responds differently....well....not really.....to some extent yes, but humans are more similar than different.


and some of us who say they don't respond to this type of eating have not tried it for long enough to have some genes turned on or off...others just like to have opinions and have never really tried anything....or just heard some fat professor talk about health.


no one does well - long term - on a low protein high carb and low fat diet....... the new connections to dementia and Alzheimer's are very interesting too....the brain thrives on cholesterol

[closed224 Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2014, Feb 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close closed224]

Once again both sides of this argument are right. You are even able to show evidence that you are right. I have done both kinds of diets calorie restricted and faithful Atkins at the time. I lost the most and felt the best with Atkins. The human body is an amazing machine able to adapt to many different modes of nutrition. Our eyes are out front, our ears are small and against our skulls, our teeth are pointed etc. Our teeth are also flat and good at gnawing fibrous vegatables, our brains and energy systems Run off glucose, our livers produce glucose and cholesterol.
The meat and dairy folks pay for the pyramid and so does the sugar and corn syrup lobby and all of it. All very true. Now my point... Line up on the same side and look at these issues together from the same side, try to view each side together and then talk about each side of the point as the same perspective. Dont spend so much effort holding a line in the sand.
The question was who has tryed a keto diet and what were your experiences. Not should I do this or not. I think it is safe to say most of this could be sumerized with yes or no, then if no no response if yes, what happened?
Harder now for me is I want to know for personal reasons what degrees do you hold Cusp? Zman do you work with people in real life in a distance format? Not2big are you able to help me deal with my diabetes? Can't we all just love each other?

[lobey Banned Find all posts View Profile Close lobey]

wishfu10x8...I can tell you that in doing my own bloodwork though this process I have lost 60 lbs of body fat...and regarding diabetes - my insulin resistance score(LP-IR) has gone off the charts on the good side...as have my triglycerides and HDL and small LDL particles.

I was not diabetic but was certainly in the metabolic syndrome stage...well on my way to becoming diabetic

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

I'm gonna go get some fried eggs and bacon. You guys can fight about ths all you want. You gotta die sometime and I for one don't want to be in perfect health when I die. I want to be really really sick!!!!!

[lobey Banned Find all posts View Profile Close lobey]

I eat a ton of fried eggs and bacon....I love eating this way......but I would rather "live long, be strong, and drop dead"...than ever be sick again

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Unfortunately genetics seem to be a much greater contributor to lifespan than diet but no one believes that, except the researchers of course.

[lobey Banned Find all posts View Profile Close lobey]

it is becoming more and more clear that genes can be turned on or off ....especially by diet.........very hopeful for those with bad family histories....we are not slaves to our "genetic predisposition".....even if we could evaluate it accurately - and we can't.

Smoking has a lot to do with cardiovascular disease....and nothing to do with genetics...diet is the same.....as are other stressors.....like stress.

[Sean Jacobs Retired Moderator Member of the Month Dec 2012PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Sean Jacobs]

Unfortunately genetics seem to be a much greater contributor to lifespan than diet but no one believes that, except the researchers of course.

I agree that genetics is the largest contributor to longevity. However, I am far more concerned with quality of life than living to 100.

[Sean Jacobs Retired Moderator Member of the Month Dec 2012PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Sean Jacobs]

For what its worth, here is an update:

I have been following the ketogenic eating style since before Thanksgiving. I purchased the keto urine test strips after Thanksgiving and have been testing myself first thing in the morning and before bed since then. The results were as expected. My ketone levels were extremely high several weeks ago (prior to being fully keto adapted) and then dropped down to between light and moderate for the last couple of weeks (from what I've read this is because my body has adapted and had developed high levels of enzymes which allow the cells of my body to utilize ketones and fatty acids for energy instead of glycogen. So, my body is using more of the ketones and fewer are being released through my urine). At this point my, according to what I've read, I should have much higher levels of ketones in my blood. But the only way to determine this is to either by a meter where I prick my finger and test for ketone levels (no thanks) or test with a breath meter. I have ordered the Ketonix Sport breath meter, but it won't arrive until January 4th. So I won't know where my actual levels fall until early January.

The first 2-3 weeks were tough. I felt weak, tired and my workouts suffered. Then I learned that I should consume more sodium (a very low carb diet allows the kidneys to release extra fluid which is held due to carb consumption. Sodium is flushed out with the urine so actually salting your food helps to bring levels up...and salting food tastes good too.) Now, My energy levels are way up. My workout strength and intensity are back to normal and improving. Muscle soreness after workouts has lessened. I came down with a cold last week and it was very mild (I barely had any congestion, which is very unusual. My theory is the lower levels of retained fluid helped to lessen swelling of the nasal passages.) I am sleeping unbelievably well (I usually suffer from mild insomnia.) I am not noticing improved mental focus at this point, but I never suffered from lack of mental focus before. Judging from the way my pants and belts fit, I am losing fat around my waist.

I am really enjoying what I eat. I started making homemade mayonnaise and ghee. I soak my veggies in those plus some ground flax seed and salt.

My macro nutrient breakout is approximately: 5-10% Carb, 15-25% protein, & 65-80% fat. It seems like once the body has built up the appropriate levels of enzymes so the body uses fat for energy, as opposed to glycogen, energy levels go way up.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

If you're happy than that's all that matters!

[Dangler Senior Administrator☼ Wizard ☼ White Tiger Award 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Dangler]

A good dose of Self control can work very well..

[lobey Banned Find all posts View Profile Close lobey]

"My macro nutrient breakout is approximately: 5-10% Carb, 15-25% protein, & 65-80% fat. It seems like once the body has built up the appropriate levels of enzymes so the body uses fat for energy, as opposed to glycogen, energy levels go way up. "

how are your inflammation levels?....or do you have no problems with joint pain or previous injuries?

the biggest thing I noticed was the effortless weight loss, my knees felt better, and my brain smoothed out...I felt calmer.............and I was not as low carb as you are doing....

oh yea....my recovery from any new activity was unreal.....almost no stiffness

I look forward to hearing your progress.....the changes you notice....thanks