The Official Hard Flaccid Recovery Thread

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Ok sure i am gonna put my symptoms on the website.

When I started having this problem, i would lay down and my penis would go back to its normal flaccid state but right now, i have the hard flaccid stand up or lying on my bed. There is only one position that can keep my penis a bit warmer. Its like my legs are laying on the bed but my top, chest and head are very high on pillows, this is the only way i can sleep.

Same here almost! At the very beginning (last week) I could only get it to normal by lying down almost completely flat. Now I need to sit my back almost upright into the corner of the couch with my legs lying outstretched in front of me on the couch. I do get close to fully flaccid when lying down to sleep, but it doesn't last long because every since this happened I get the most ridiculous sleep erections that last all night long, which is really pretty dangerous. I wake up several times throughout the night and stand up because I know that will make it go down immediately just to prevent myself from getting a priapism.

Every morning I wake up and my penis feels like it's ready to explode from having an 8 hour raging boner. Need to figure out a way to chill that out a bit.

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I think i know the reason of these "erections" which in my opinion aren't erections. I think that this is blood filling the penis but not being able to return back, thats why the penis always seem to be in erection.

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I think i know the reason of these "erections" which in my opinion aren't erections. I think that this is blood filling the penis but not being able to return back, thats why the penis always seem to be in erection.

That's what I thought as well up until yesterday. But the duplex ultrasound testing confirmed that the hard flaccid state is actually a complete lack of blood flow, which I admit is way more scary than the other way around. Lying down & soft = normal flow. Standing up & hard = zero flow. I posted some details at the site. Will scan and post my official paper reports as soon as I get them back. Should be ready tomorrow I am hoping.

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obitoo.... I agree that there is definitely a restriction in blood flow - there is no doubt about that. Its just that, in my case, I have a bunch of other symptoms that are more suggestive of non-bacterial prostatitis. Or, perhaps I've had a different (and undiagnosed) underlying problem for some time, and this has just aggravated the condition in some shape or form. I have done some heavy lifting and weight training (was a firefighter for 5 + years).... and I have had, for some time now, a very tense abdomen. My vericocele had gotten worse, which abdominal tension (or vasalva maneuver, i.e. during scrotal ultrasound) can do. I hope that I don’t have a hernia somewhere in there. Also, unrelated, I have a prolapsed mitral valve and have increased extra heartbeats (PVCs) when my abdomen is tensed up (i.e. sitting).

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That's what I thought as well up until yesterday. But the duplex ultrasound testing confirmed that the hard flaccid state is actually a complete lack of blood flow, which I admit is way more scary than the other way around. Lying down & soft = normal flow. Standing up & hard = zero flow. I posted some details at the site. Will scan and post my official paper reports as soon as I get them back. Should be ready tomorrow I am hoping.

Ok thank you, i will check that out. Also i'd like to take that duplex ultrasound testing. I'd put results on the website too. Is it like high tech and new kind of testing? And what is the exact name of the test?

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Thank god for this optimistic and willingness to find a cure! I got hard flaccid 15 days ago after overtraining. One of the worst thing ever.
It started when I accidentally find this tread, searching for help after ED, I ran back to bathroom and look after firmness, ofcourse I found it.
I wasn't 100% sure I got this thing, but I was scared that I had it. I look at my dick like 20 times a day. Everytime "is it harder? is it looser?"
I couldn't sleep for 5 days and one night I woke middle in the night and my penis was crazy white and hard flaccid. God I hoped it was a nightmare, unfortnatly it wasn't.

So my stress and anixety made the condition MUCH WORSE! This gave me in another way hope, that if I made it WORSE with my mind, I should also be able to make it BETTER with my mind. I got premium support over at betterman and talked to big al about this. I can't say that he had a cure, but it was sure nice to have someone listen to you and wants you to be healed. That calmed me down and I started to take L-arginine and do ricesock 3 times a day.

After 3 days of L-arginine and maybe 10 days of abstained masturbation, my libido was a solid 10, I got an erection lying down and could keep it standing up aswell and it was ROCK HARD, also my penis was almost completely soft when flaccid that day. I was dancing on clouds. I thought that I was VERY CLOSE to be healed.

Then I went out with my buds and drinking, got a hard flaccid day after. Libido still high thou. On this sunday I masturbated for the first after a couple of weeks.
Monday, loss of libido and more firmness in the day. Tuesday the same. Today it has been better again, after 3 days of abstaining and still on L-arginine. I get semi-erections by thinking dirty thoughts of hot girls and my penis is bigger in flaccid. It's still firm, but not hard. I got one erection lying down and this time I couldn't hold it standing up.

It surely feels like I've been to hell then heaven and back again. But this time I am stronger, I am sure this will be fixed. I don't think I could keep my head up if it wasn't for you guys. We're in the same boat, we gonna get thru this together. That calms me down. I am willing to help, if I can do anything just send me a pm. I am gonna fill out the form in the website now. obitoo you are a hero for this!

One question: What is the longest anybody here abstained from masturbating? I saw/see improvment for everyday I abstain. I got a setback when I did masturbate, so this time I am waiting 3 weeks..

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Ok thank you, i will check that out. Also i'd like to take that duplex ultrasound testing. I'd put results on the website too. Is it like high tech and new kind of testing? And what is the exact name of the test?

It's been around a while. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplex_ultrasonography

You should be able to get it any decent lab. What you need to do is make sure they understand that you will be needing the test WHILE STANDING UP. There's absolutely no point in doing it otherwise. You won't get any results lying down. Also, make sure the superficial frequency is at least 10-13. You'll want to do testing with the wand, pressure cuff on the penis and a waveforms sensor on the penis.

Get a normal baseline reading when as soft as possible lying down, and compare it with your standing up results while in hard flaccid mode. This will give you the proof of circulation problems. The next step is to figure out why. The blood comes into the penis via the internal iliac artery. It's a small branch off the iliac on your left side. Have them examine that as closely as possible while you are standing up, and everything in the area. Hopefully they will find the answer. If not, a stand-up open MRI is probably the only hope of finding it. I have read at least one case where a tiny hernia was detected via ultrasound though so anything is possible.

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It's been around a while. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplex_ultrasonography

You should be able to get it any decent lab. What you need to do is make sure they understand that you will be needing the test WHILE STANDING UP. There's absolutely no point in doing it otherwise. You won't get any results lying down. Also, make sure the superficial frequency is at least 10-13. You'll want to do testing with the wand, pressure cuff on the penis and a waveforms sensor on the penis.

Get a normal baseline reading when as soft as possible lying down, and compare it with your standing up results while in hard flaccid mode. This will give you the proof of circulation problems. The next step is to figure out why. The blood comes into the penis via the internal iliac artery. It's a small branch off the iliac on your left side. Have them examine that as closely as possible while you are standing up, and everything in the area. Hopefully they will find the answer. If not, a stand-up open MRI is probably the only hope of finding it. I have read at least one case where a tiny hernia was detected via ultrasound though so anything is possible.

Ya now i'm pretty sure i can get that test. But now that you discovered that its really the circulation problem. What is next? Surgery to put catheters to keep arteries open?

Thank god for this optimistic and willingness to find a cure! I got hard flaccid 15 days ago after overtraining. One of the worst thing ever.
It started when I accidentally find this tread, searching for help after ED, I ran back to bathroom and look after firmness, ofcourse I found it.
I wasn't 100% sure I got this thing, but I was scared that I had it. I look at my dick like 20 times a day. Everytime "is it harder? is it looser?"
I couldn't sleep for 5 days and one night I woke middle in the night and my penis was crazy white and hard flaccid. God I hoped it was a nightmare, unfortnatly it wasn't.

So my stress and anixety made the condition MUCH WORSE! This gave me in another way hope, that if I made it WORSE with my mind, I should also be able to make it BETTER with my mind. I got premium support over at betterman and talked to big al about this. I can't say that he had a cure, but it was sure nice to have someone listen to you and wants you to be healed. That calmed me down and I started to take L-arginine and do ricesock 3 times a day.

After 3 days of L-arginine and maybe 10 days of abstained masturbation, my libido was a solid 10, I got an erection lying down and could keep it standing up aswell and it was ROCK HARD, also my penis was almost completely soft when flaccid that day. I was dancing on clouds. I thought that I was VERY CLOSE to be healed.

Then I went out with my buds and drinking, got a hard flaccid day after. Libido still high thou. On this sunday I masturbated for the first after a couple of weeks.
Monday, loss of libido and more firmness in the day. Tuesday the same. Today it has been better again, after 3 days of abstaining and still on L-arginine. I get semi-erections by thinking dirty thoughts of hot girls and my penis is bigger in flaccid. It's still firm, but not hard. I got one erection lying down and this time I couldn't hold it standing up.

It surely feels like I've been to hell then heaven and back again. But this time I am stronger, I am sure this will be fixed. I don't think I could keep my head up if it wasn't for you guys. We're in the same boat, we gonna get thru this together. That calms me down. I am willing to help, if I can do anything just send me a pm. I am gonna fill out the form in the website now. obitoo you are a hero for this!

One question: What is the longest anybody here abstained from masturbating? I saw/see improvment for everyday I abstain. I got a setback when I did masturbate, so this time I am waiting 3 weeks..

Yes the only to keep going is to stay optimistic and while i was reading this thread yesterday i read a post where a guy was just being depressive and all, and someone told him to stop being depressive and that he was anoying. I thought it was kinda rude but i have to agree we have the minimize the post with depressive stuff, it just puts us down. Good luck.

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Ya now i'm pretty sure i can get that test. But now that you discovered that its really the circulation problem. What is next? Surgery to put catheters to keep arteries open?

You are jumping the gun a bit. The next step is to now figure out what exactly is causing the blood flow to stop. Logic says that it is probably somewhere along the internal iliac artery, since there wasn't even detectable flow at the very base of the penis when standing up. The point of failure has to be somewhere higher up. They couldn't detect it with the equipment they had so I will need to do another test(s). It's just one step in the right direction. And eventually, hopefully whatever it turns out to be is something fixable.

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Ya true there is obviously something blocking the blood and it might be at different places for all of us.

By the way does anyone have a feeling of discomfort, almost like tension in these areas after ejaculation? Or a swelling in the second area (not the area above the penis, the other).

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What I can't seem to wrap my head around is if it is a arterial/vein problem, why does it go away with urination while standing up? You would think that if an artery is clotted, or blocked, etc., that urination really wouldn't have much of an effect on it.

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What I can't seem to wrap my head around is if it is a arterial/vein problem, why does it go away with urination while standing up? You would think that if an artery is clotted, or blocked, etc., that urination really wouldn't have much of an effect on it.

It may be simply due to the fact that when all of the muscles totally relax (when urinating)... it allows for that little bit of extra blood flow that it needs to hang loose. Also, one one think that this muscle relaxation under normal circumstances (guys w/o firm flaccid) would have a little extra hang while urinating also. It would be nice if it could stay this way 24/7, but we'd be pissing all over the place.

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I think it is great to see conversation at such a high level here, in terms of symptoms, tests, theories, etc. I am completely dumbstruck at how similar all of our symptoms are. On the one hand, the similarity of our symptoms gives me confidence that we CAN find out exactly what is going on. But at the same time, it is hard to be optimistic... I have been reading as much as I can about this problem during the last 17 months and have seen a lot of guys try to solve the problem, without success. That said, we have a good head of steam going here, so hopefully if we keep it moving, stay in touch, share our findings, etc., we can all get out of this. I think our very best chance is to use Obitoo's website as a catalyst to find health care professionals who WANT to solve this.

Before I share my theories with you, here's my background. Over the last 17 months, I have seen 7 urologists (including some nationally recognized experts with worlds of experience), I have been to the Mayo Clinic in the dead of winter, I have undergone 4 ultrasounds (all of them laying down - doh!), had a $40,000+ angiogram (no joke - totally absurd that the hospital charged that much - even my insurance was over $2k), tried various alpha blockers, supplements, opiates, Peyronies treatments, trigger point release therapy, nerve blocks, topical anesthetics, topical vasodilators, oral vasodilators (Viagra, Cialis)... I've been around the block, so to speak... and I still can't pigeonhole this problem into one diagnosis. Before I go into more detail, I have to tell you all, I don't know the answer to anything... I am 100% committed to sharing my theories and treatments with you, but I have not cured myself, so I am not really the person to be giving advice.

The venous leak theory seemed logical to me (which is why I pursued the angiogram), but at the same time does not seem to explain things like the increased firm-flaccid reaction when lightly brushing up against the penis (which I get and which some of you have described also). Some of us have described just looking at the penis and seeing it retract - which also has happened to me. Obitoo's findings are sure suggestive of a venous problem that occurs when standing up... but also I have learned about the alpha rush that occurs when anyone stands up, which could cause not only a firm-flaccid but also cause tensing of muscles which in turn restricts blood flow. This could be a hypersensitivity to the sympathetic nervous system response, which could be related to the alpha rush of standing up. Not saying I know this to be true... just pointing out that the venous problem may not be solely a venous problem. Could explain why some people have had success with alpha blockers. (I've tried Flomax with no success, Uroxatral with no success, and have been on Terazosin for some time... considering dropping it.)

Alpha blockers are interesting to me because they are also a treatment for RSD - or reflex sympathetic dystrophy. Do some reading about that - and in particular the suspected cases of RSD of the penis. Could explain things. Or then again it could not. I've met with a pain specialist and have had two different types of nerve blocks to block the sympathetic activity. Neither one was particularly useful, but also not conclusive because there was no assurance that all sympathetic distribution to the penis was blocked. I have to go back for an epidural (same as women get during child birth) to really test that theory out. Kind of reluctant to have a needle put into my spinal sac, and also I am leery about spending another $1500 at least - particularly when the pain doctor doesn't believe it will help but has agreed to do it only because I want to see if it helps. (Like you, I would try ANYTHING to be free from this.) So that is on the table for me, but on hold. If it is RSD, the treatment is better if done shortly after the injury, so some of you may be better off than me with alpha blockers and/or nerve blocks. I'm not a doctor and I'm not suggesting this will help you (it hasn't helped me), but since time is of the essence you may want to discuss with your health care providers.

Related to RSD, there is also a vasoconstriction disease called reynaud's disease. Most people who have this get it in their fingertips - the fingertips can go white due to lack of blood flow. Any of you who have seen your glans go cold and white (like me) could probably relate. Get this - there is also literature out there about reynauds of the penis. I tried the usual reynauds treatment (calcium channel blockers and something else I can't remember) but it didn't work for me. Not saying it wouldn't work for you...

Don't want to forget about interferon... at one point one of my urologists felt I had an induration (I never actually felt it) and so tried interferon, which is generally a Peyronies treatment but also is good with pain (I experience pain on the shaft near my glans, which could be coming from inside or which could be a result of my firm-flaccid rubbing against clothes all day). The interferon treatment involved numbing the penis and then injecting interferon along the neurovascular bundle in about 10 places. That was a pretty scary ordeal, I can tell you. And interferon gives you the shakes/chills pretty bad. Out of all the things I tried, I do NOT think I would recommend this to any of you.

Quick note on my ultrasounds. All were performed laying down and all were pretty much normal. Obitoo has really made some progress with the whole standing-up aspect (I feel stupid for not having thought of this!). I am really looking forward to seeing what happens with him, and may also try a repeat ultrasound/sonogram standing up, and also a stand up MRI. By the way, sonograms can also be performed in the erect state - has anyone had one performed in the erect state, and if so, what was the result? All of mine have been performed in the flaccid state - I am really avoiding any kind of injection in the penis which would be required for an erect sonogram. Up to you guys if you want to try that, but I'm "out" at this point.

There is also something out there about endothelial damage (could we have done this by excessive masturbation, jelquing, rough sex... I don't know - but could be possible... especially since many of us have had the firm-flaccid following rough sex, masturbation or jelquing). Read about endothelin, which is a naturally occurring and powerful vasoconstrictor - which certainly could be causing vasoconstricton which appears as firm-flaccid. There is a drug called Bosentan (there are others) which is an endothelin blocker - this is on my short list of drugs to try. Haven't done it yet, but am going to mention it to my doctor next time. He's been very good about letting me try different meds - and like you, I am willing to try just about anything. These endothelin blockers do seem pretty heavy duty, though... so I will proceed with caution.

And then there's the theory of the dartos, cremaster and peripenic muscles. The dartos muscle is generally limited to the testicles, but get this... there is also some literature about the dartos muscle extending into the fascia in the penis. There are some doctors in Egypt who have injected botox into the dartos muscle to relieve penile contraction. Sound familiar? Yes. But why have our dartos and/or cremaster muscles all of sudden locked up? And who wants to be first in line to have botox injected? I'm holding off on that one for now.

I can't rule out an endocrine cause, either. I know it sounds ridiculous that an endocrine problem would cause this because many of us had very sudden onset of the firm-flaccid, which sure sounds like an injury and not an endocrine problem. Then again, it also sounds ridiculous that masturbation or rough sex or even jelquing could cause a problem like this. So, I don't rule out endocrine probelms. I suppose it is possible an underlying endocrine problem could have predisposed us to injury when masturbating or jelquing or having rough sex or whatever we did. It is a chicken and egg problem for me... shortly after this happened to me, I began having night sweats, insomina and my testosterone has dropped to that of an old lady. All of that absolutely 100% could have resulted from the stress of this. Or, I could have had a dipping testosterone prior to this happening... I'll never know. But, I am borderline hypogonadal at this point and see testosterone replacement in my future. Could it fix the firm flaccid? Possibly, but very doubtfully. The bummer about TRT is that once you start it, you're on it pretty much for good, because your body stops making its own testosterone. Doesn't sound like fun. Especially since before this, I was perfectly healthy, athletic, outgoing, etc.... amazing how much can be lost, physically and emotionally, with a situation like this.

Quick note on depression. I have never imagined in my life I would ever need an antidepressant. When all of this happened, I was so frightened that clearly I had a major depressive event. I couldn't sleep for more than an hour at a time for months. During those few hours I managed to sleep, I had night sweats that completely soaked me and my bed. I am quite certain that if I did not have children, I would have taken my own life. That is a simple fact. I kept balancing what is worse... me living this life or them living without your dad. I mention this not to be depressive in this message, but to the contrary... to try and lift your spirits. This will absolutely cause you to have some level of anxiety-depression-etc. For me, it was a dip in testosterone so low that there was no way I would NOT be depressed. But that will pass as your body and mind copes with the situation. I am now in a very stable place mentally (still low testosterone) and have had no need to take anti-depressants for 9 months or so. I am not saying I'm happy about the situation, but I remain optimistic that we will find a cure - and heaven forbid even if not - there is so much to live for. My heart absolutely breaks for some of you younger guys who are going through this when you should be experiencing the best times of your life. But do keep positive - if I can get out of that horrificly dark place I was in, then you can also. Your spirits WILL improve. This condition will most likely improve, too (I suspect that some people who stop posting on the boards have stopped posting because their condition has improved). And you younger guys have a much better chance of healing because your bodies are younger.

By the way, there is tons of literature out there about Peyronies or erectile dysfunction and depression. No kidding, right? I'll save you reading about it... this situation sucks, and as a result we can get depressed. It's that simple. But keep fighting, guys. You WILL feel better over time, and then you can focus on getting better. If you are really struggling - PLEASE get some mental help before you do something drastic. I was close. But I am so happy to be here today, even with this problem.

I got sidetracked there - but I did want to venture into the mental aspects briefly because it is so imporant for you to know that even though this sucks, you can get your mind in a good place.

Going back to nerve blocks... here's something interesting for you. My pain doctor, who is also one of the few doctors I have seen who is really cool and caring, gave me some topical lidocaine (anesthetic) and said to try wiping that on the shaft for a week. No real risk, so why not. I tried it and it made the firm-flaccid 10 times worse - just for the night until the lidocaine wore off. We learned, after that, that lidocaine has a local vaso-constrictive property. Which makes a whole lot of sense... if the firm-flaccid is being caused by vasoconstriction (sympathetic activity, fight-or-flight response, etc.), then even MORE vasoconstriction would make it worse. Interesting. So we did some research to see what the "opposite" of lidocaine is. Of course there is no opposite, but there are durgs that have vaso-dilation properties. I tried nitroglycerin cream (same stuff people wipe on their chests for angina). And wow - the first time I tried it my "firm-flaccid" became a "firm-chubby." That is, it was NOT an erection, but it was puffy. Chubby. (Which, by the way, I also experience even without the cream... seems like the penis can't regulate between vaso-constriction, vaso-dilation, firm-flaccid, firm-chubby....) I was VERY excited by that result. I tried it for about 10 days, twice a day, and during that time I never did really get relief. I think it may have been masking the problem a bit, and that was cool, but something... somewhere... in my body (whether it is a venous problem, a muscle problem, an endotheial problem, nerve problem, hormonal imbalance... etc.) was telling the penis to remain firm-flaccid. So I gave it up, but I may dabble again. If you try it, be careful... you don't want to use too much and cause a priapism (topical nitro was almost used as a "topical viagra" but it didn't work out). Note: it also gives you a mean headache for about 30 minutes (also not good for topical viagra!).

I don't think I mentioned why I did the angiogram... I came across an article about a fistula or venous leak that was undetected on ultrasound but that was detected via angiogram and was fixed by embolization. I was pretty sure the angiogram would find some kind of venous leak with me - it just made SENSE. But after a very expensive and long procedure, no luck. That's not to say you might not have a detectible and fixable leak... I have no clue.

And of course there is just some kind of good old-fashioned nerve damage. Which nerves (sympathetic, parasympathetic, pudendal...) I don't know. I've read about nerve conduction testing of the penis but I haven't had any done myself.

Right now I am trying something called pyridium. I'm not suggesting you try this because it is a little "out there." But it is also very harmless, so it might be interesting if some of you tried it just so we can compare notes. Pyridium is an anesthetic you take orally and it coats your bladder and your urethra with anestehsia. The reason I found out about it is that when I did my angiogram, they used a foley catheter up the uretrha. It hurt like heck - the nurse was not gentle or the catheter was too wide or something. So I was in absolute knock-out pain (and shock) trying to pee after this procedure. My urologist said "try pyridium" which is commonly used for pain after foley catheters. It helped my urination pain, which was great... but I also noticed a little bit of relief (note: NOT a cure) with the firm-flaccid. So, I am trying the pyridium again now that I am NOT suffering from catheter-induced pain, just to see the effect. It is kind of a fun drug too because it makes you pee orange. Not just kind of orange, but REALLY orange. Got to have fun while we can... enjoy the simple pleasures... like peeing orange. I'll let you know if the pyridium relief happens again. By the way, I have NO IDEA why this would work. Unless perhaps there is some nerve involvement along the bladder or urethra that gets some relief as the anesthetic soaks through. Seriously, this drug should NOT help... but then again, this should NOT be happening. There is something called "urethral syndrome" that is treated with pyridium - so who knows, maybe we have somehow irritated our urethras and the penis is retracting as a result. I do remember, 17 months ago, that I had tiny bits of blood in my urine, which my urologist of the time dismissed, so perhaps that was a clue that somethow the urethra was injured. Again, no idea if this is a red herring or not.

I don't really have a conclusion here, guys. I just wanted to share with you the things I've tried over the last 17 months. Who knows, you might have better luck than me with some of these treatments, or your research into these areas might yield something. Again, I can't fit it squarely into blood flow, muscle spasm, nerve damage, pelvic floor... none of it really seems to make sense. Even though something has not worked for me, it might work for you. Heck, we might not all have the exact same thing (although I remain convinced there is some similar condition for at least most of us... our symptoms are just TOO close). Let's just keep the discussion going, keep the medical tests going, keep reaching out to physicians, and most of all STAY POSITIVE.

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Wow, Big props to you SearchForTheCure. Very nice and informative post. You are gold piece for all of us in this fight.

Obi, wanted to ask, would I just ask my doc for a standing ultrasound while flaccid. Is a simple description like that sufficient? Would I then go into detail with the technician about wand sensitivity, lying down/standing etc? In case I cannot find a lab that has the facilities close to me, could you let me know the name of the facility you used?

And Search, I did have an ultrasound done after injection to test for a venous leak due to my erection problems. Nothing was found. Good in one sense, but I also noticed 4 days after the injection I started to get the prominent pain and bend in my penis. But at least I know no venous leak was present.

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Indeed, really interesting informations Search. I think i am gonna read it a few times again.