Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

I don’t believe the overwhelmed hospitals in South Dakota and El Passo, Texas, including the prisoners sequestered to move the dead bodies into refrigerated trucks, consider it hype. I guess COVID-19 will disappear after Inauguration Day like it was going to disappear after the “heat started up in April.”

Except that the examples you're giving are, in fact, the hype.

"Overwhelmed hospitals" is said to make it sound as though a plague is among us and hospitals can't handle all of the ill. Instead, hospitals are purposely admitting more people - admittance is up because hospitals have chosen to change their policies and are admitting people they wouldn't have admitted who came in with similar symptoms last year. And if you look at the turnover, they're keeping people just long enough to call them admitted patients and not just ER or treated patients. They get money for that.

"Moving dead bodies into refrigerated trucks" sounds quite chilling and is used to sell fear. What they're not telling you is that it's not a direct result of deaths piling up but, instead, a result of a compilation of things. All of those bodies are waiting for autopsy - they wouldn't ordinarily autopsy every death so the morgues aren't designed to hold that capacity. Also, since people who died with a positive COVID test have to be handled differently, there's a backlog before they can get them to the funeral home. So, if a person dies of pneumonia, for example, and was negative for COVID, they're dealt with straight away. But if they tested positive for COVID, they have to body bag them (plus the autopsy) and handle them differently, which isn't the normal procedure. All of the extra COVID procedures, simply because someone tested positive, creates the appearance of mounting deaths and bodies piling up.

You can't look at hospitalizations or positive cases as an indicator since those numbers are just kind of garbage data. What you can use is ICU admittance for COVID and deaths caused by COVID and both of those data show that the rest is hype.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

North Dakota’s coronavirus mortality rate is the highest of any U.S. state or country, according to an analysis of data from last week conducted by the Federation of American Scientists.
The analysis shows that North Dakota has a rate of 18.2 deaths per 1 million people. South Dakota, meanwhile, has 17.4 deaths per million, the third-worst rate in the world.

Note that the stats relate to deaths.

I gather you prefer to believe the statements uttered by a pathological liar to those of highly trained medical professionals.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

And yet they have had the lowest totals for months. That's what this virus does. I know folks want to blame someone for the rise but they really can't.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

The Aussie govt has said the vaccine will not be made mandatory.

Sounds like a proper government

[madyogi Moderator Member of the Month April 2020PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close madyogi]

Schools may make it mandatory; however, adults will most likely be encouraged to take it voluntarily. First responders will get it first, probably by the end of the year. General public probably by the end of first quarter of 2021.

This is most likely how it will go down. Certain employers are likely to mandate it as well. When I worked in a hospital I was required to get the flu shot every year. This will probably be similar.

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

This is most likely how it will go down. Certain employers are likely to mandate it as well. When I worked in a hospital I was required to get the flu shot every year. This will probably be similar.

I am thinking this will spread to other companies as well. It will probably start off in Western states like Cali and Oregon, then spread to right wing states. State leaders will be too afraid to not comply.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

We need to burn it all down

[madyogi Moderator Member of the Month April 2020PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close madyogi]

I am thinking this will spread to other companies as well. It will probably start off in Western states like Cali and Oregon, then spread to right wing states. State leaders will be too afraid to not comply.

That feels hyperbolic to me. It feels like it feeds the conspiratorial thinking that lockdowns are all meant to make us sheep, and that the illuminati will use them to finally take over, that all our freedoms will be gone in a matter of months, etc, etc. While I do think global corporate money is a HUGE problem, and probably the major reason gov't does relatively nothing to help working class people, I don't buy into the hyperbole. That's just my take.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Its all about control, the numbers are fake, the risk factor is low and the orders are meant to show us we are easily controlled.

All numbers of death by other causes are down, yet Covid numbers are on the rise again.

[madyogi Moderator Member of the Month April 2020PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close madyogi]

We need to burn it all down

I'm sympathetic to this view. As I've said previously, my sense is that money and influence-peddling have taken over our politics. Politicians' only interest seems to be gaining and retaining power and influence. Take a look at HR 1, which was the first piece of legislation the Democratic congress passed after they took over the house in 2018. It's a decent bill, putting more restrictions on politicians becoming lobbyists after they leave office, providing some public funding for elections, etc. Of course, it went no where, because the Senate wasn't interested in doing anything with it. My guess is, Pelosi knew that and allowed the bill to be passed through the House as a symbolic act, because she's just as sh!tty as McConnell.

Burning it down, though, is highly problematic for other reasons. I would like to see congress actually get some things done that benefit the people, as opposed to an all-out mass insurrection.

[madyogi Moderator Member of the Month April 2020PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close madyogi]

Its all about control, the numbers are fake, the risk factor is low and the orders are meant to show us we are easily controlled.

All numbers of death by other causes are down, yet Covid numbers are on the rise again.

See, this is more of the conspiratorial stuff that I simply don't see evidence for. When people don't travel as much, there won't be as many deaths by car accident, etc.

That said, suicides and domestic violence are both up, which is a big problem.

This is a nuanced subject. Just saying "the numbers are fake" and "it's all about control" isn't helpful in my mind. I wear a mask to protect myself and others. I don't see it as an infringement on my freedom or whatever. I see it as a responsibility I bear to myself and my community. You say pot-a-to, I say pot-ah-to.

What concerns me most is that people seem to increasingly live in different realities, with different definitions for terms, and a different sense of what's real and what isn't. That's a recipe for disaster.

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

North Dakota’s coronavirus mortality rate is the highest of any U.S. state or country, according to an analysis of data from last week conducted by the Federation of American Scientists.
The analysis shows that North Dakota has a rate of 18.2 deaths per 1 million people. South Dakota, meanwhile, has 17.4 deaths per million, the third-worst rate in the world.

Note that the stats relate to deaths.

I gather you prefer to believe the statements uttered by a pathological liar to those of highly trained medical professionals.

Mortality rate, as they report it, isn't giving an accurate picture of reality. It does feed the hype, though. If I'm reported as having C19 and subsequently die of heart failure, the cause of death will be attributed to the virus. Look to places around the globe where they actually report consistently and correctly for a better representation. Also look at historical rate of death for a population to determine excess deaths now. Why are other causes of death falling so dramatically while COVID deaths are rising? Just look at excess deaths compared historically to see what's really happening.

I'm not political about this (I assume you were addressing me with the comment about listening to a liar??) as many are. I support neither the red or the blue team. I'm looking at data and science.

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

Its all about control, the numbers are fake, the risk factor is low and the orders are meant to show us we are easily controlled.

All numbers of death by other causes are down, yet Covid numbers are on the rise again.

Exactly, now what is the purpose of being shown we are easily controlled?

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

There is no purpose only a goal.

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

There is no purpose only a goal.

I know, I am challenging what he is saying. There has to be a reason they want to show us we are controllable. They are trying to do something to us I believe.