Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

Those are the people who have been studying the infection intensely for the past 10 months and are willing to make adjustments as new information is evaluated and not stuck in a rut of predisposed supposition.

[madyogi Moderator Member of the Month April 2020PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close madyogi]

Masks; well I could go on for days about them having to have used them longer than most guys here have been alive.
People will bring up stats and studies to say this or that because the studies and stats were done with a purpose in mind.

You can tell me that once Iowa started wearing masks the transmission rate went down. Great! A mask mandate in an area or state tends to do one major thing; it scares people. Normal people when told they must wear a mask to go anywhere tend not to go anywhere as much as they did before the mandate. Now with less people out and about of course the transmission rate is lower.
Now will anyone do a study on human activity before a mask mandate and then after? Of course not; it doesn't fit the narrative. Besides it would actually be impossible to conduct such a study but what I see and what I know is that there is less activity in mandated areas......but only for a while. After a month or two and the transmission level goes lower human activity does increase because people have gotten over the fear. Oh the level will slowly rise again as it has done in many mask mandated areas. My state has a mandate and when first done the level dropped and funny now that we're all wearing masks here the level is rising.

Yogi you said a very insightful thing; you don't see the problem with wearing a mask when you're going into crowed areas as you go out and about. The key to preventing the spread is distance and duration. If you keep a distance and don't stay with one person or group too long you don't need to wear a mask; you will not have time enough or close enough proximity to actually attain the viral load you need to get sick. Somehow people thing if one covid virus cell enters your body you're dead. It doesn't work that way.

Now look at the harm mask do cause. How many of you throw away your mask the minute you get home and throw it in an outside garbage can? Not many; you guys will wear that mask until it looks like worms ate it. I see most masks hanging on rear view mirrors just incubating what you've been collecting on it over the last week. Then of course we'll take out hands and place a bacteria/virus ladden mask back on out face and of course what's on the mask is now on your hands. Now that we have covered our hands with whatever we have on our mask we'll go to the supermarket and touch everything there; sounds clean huh?

We were told to wear masks but we were never trained, never told the right protocols on use and disposal. Yes people put on a mask and think they're protected but they're not. There is one right way and a million wrong ways to use a mask.

I could go on and on but I won't. You want to stay safe? With or without a mask wash your hands often and remember distance and duration; that is the key.

This is pretty reasonable from where I sit. I agree more education as to how to appropriately use/clean/etc a mask would be helpful. That said, the argument that mask wearing causes more harm than good on the aggregate is pretty unconvincing to me at this point. My sense has always been that you wear a mask only when you can't avoid close indoor contact with others. That's how I do it. If I'm outdoors I don't worry with it, because outdoor spread seems to be near non-existent.

FWIW, Cusp pointed out that there are likely 3x as many cases in reality as have been reported. Wouldn't the same hold true of influenza? So if official totals reflect influenza death rates at .1%, might we also then assume that death rate is far lower than those numbers reflect? That doesn't change much, but if the standard is applied to one situation, it has to be applied across the board, and it doesn't really change the fact that this virus is an order of magnitude more serious than the flu.

The mother of a close friend of my wife is currently in Covid ICU, and has been for over a week. She went in on day 11 of her infection. She's not been on a ventilator at this point, but it's a very serious situation, and she was a relatively healthy, active 65 year-old before contracting Covid.

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

Where masks and lockdowns were mandated, the numbers were already on the decline. They were following the curve of all seasonal viruses. Peru and Spain have militant restrictions and have mandated masks since the beginning.

Asking people to wear masks is fine. Mandates, not fine. But there still is no evidence of a significant threat of non-symptomatic transmission. Until that can be shown, even asking people to wear a mask is purely symbolic.

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

It would be better for our people if Walmart were shut down so mom and pops could thrive. Even capitalism should have some restraint.

Look what Amazon has done to mom and pops, it goes on and on, what about Pfizer and the big pharma.

Capitalism would be great again if monopolies were busted up, until then, it will continue to destroy.

Its still far better than socialism

OK. I see. So your beef isn't with capitalism - it's with government. So you're a fan of capitalism, but not a fan of how it might be exploited (perverted, even) by the government.

BTW... Amazon has done a lot for small businesses. The Amazon Marketplace has given small businesses access to a consumer audience that they never would have been able to reach before. Not to mention being a huge win for the consumer.

[Party Senior Member Member of the Month August 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Party]

So this thread has gone quiet after the FDA approval of the Vaccine. And, all the sudden the media and the Democrats are on board. Operation Warp Speed worked and no mention of Trump’s initiative. So petty. Let’s look back four years....Hillary had the election locked up...not.
allwe heard from the Pelosi gang of fools was Russian involvement and impeachment. You can’t possibly tell me if Trump had won, Biden wouldn’t be challenging the result like was done with Trump four years ago. So hypocritical. Makes me sick.

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

So this thread has gone quiet after the FDA approval of the Vaccine. And, all the sudden the media and the Democrats are on board. Operation Warp Speed worked and no mention of Trump’s initiative. So petty. Let’s look back four years....Hillary had the election locked up...not.
allwe heard from the Pelosi gang of fools was Russian involvement and impeachment. You can’t possibly tell me if Trump had won, Biden wouldn’t be challenging the result like was done with Trump four years ago. So hypocritical. Makes me sick.

Exactly.

So they rush to get a drug created that they want to administer to nearly everyone, actually calling it, "Operation Warp Speed", and then they expect me just to willingly put it in my body.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Ok guys so millions of people will test the Pfizer vac before any us gets offered it .

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

I will tell you that if Trump had won by almost 8 million votes and by 74 electoral votes, the Democrats would have graciously conceded without having to also loose 50 court cases, many presided over by judges appointed by their own party’s President, because they couldn’t present any credible evidence of voter fraud. Did I mention the recounts in the battleground states that actually increased the winner’s margin?

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

The vaccine has been and will be undergoing testing with plenty of people getting it before it's offered to any of us. However, my concern is in the long-term effects and not having enough time to understand them. I have no objections to people being allowed to take the vaccine. I have no concerns about there being anything sinister behind it. I have no doubt that the manufacturers are trying to make an effective and safe vaccine. But when they're absolved of culpability for potential harm done, it most definitely gives me pause.

My wife will be receiving the vaccine as soon as it's available to her and she asked me what it would take for me to be comfortable with it. I said maybe a year or so of monitoring for long-term effects. A year is rather arbitrary, I know. Maybe it's fine for a year but in 3 years or 5 years some negative effects start to surface. What I finally said was that I'd wait as long as necessary. That could mean that I'll give in because my travel is restricted or some other restrictions aren't allowing me to function as desired without it sooner rather than later. Or for health reasons or whatever. But until I've seen whether it causes long-term harm to the body, I won't be comfortable with it no matter how many people take it right now and remain standing.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

We have been given vaccines since shortly after birth and we never complained. Why complain now?

[TeoDeles Senior Member Member of the Month July 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close TeoDeles]

We have been given vaccines since shortly after birth and we never complained. Why complain now?

Because this Corona shit smells badly from miles away.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

We have been given vaccines since shortly after birth and we never complained. Why complain now?

Because the Corona vaccine is new and hasn’t been around long enough to ensure there are no long term issues or side effects. Many people want the other guy to test the results before they agree to the vaccination. I believe the polio accent took a while before general

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Im not letting them near me anywhere with that crap. We have enough proof that the media will lie about everything.

If the first 100 people died from the vaccine, we wouldn't hear a peep.

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

They have even admitted it was rushed. Since when has anything "rushed" actually turn out good?

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

I think it was rushed by not adhering to all the red tape that goes along with any product. Very smart people did the work and I would bet they did it all correctly. For the first time in these lab guys career they got to work on a problem with no worry about funding or waiting for some government agency to jerk around for 6 months before approval is given to to the next step. No this vaccine will be safe.