Something too good to be true?

[SydKitty Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SydKitty]

http://runels.com/growpenis/

Read and discuss.

I personally would want to try this as it sounds like a damned safe way (compared to some other processes). But really, that's the guy in me wanting to believe it. The pragmatic, of course, says this can't be as beneficial as it's made out to be. It's too bad I don't have 1,900 to spend. >_>

Essentially, this guy takes your blood, puts it in a centrifuge to separate the platelets, then adds a calcium compound to that to get them activated. Then he injects it wherever it needs to go and it acts like it's healing but without any injury done, so you supposedly end up with new growth.


Edit: Text removed. Oh shut up about it already.

[kakarotto Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close kakarotto]

Wow, it sure sounds like something too good to be true, it would be really nice to gain about 2 inches total only for 1900$ :O

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

How the fuck can that be safe?!

I MEAN COME ON!

You take the blood out, you put something in it and then you get it back in your body injecting it (if i understand it right) into your penis?! And you want to do that to yourself with probably no medical knowledge of storing blood? Do you even know where are you going to put that needle? Are you even aware of how many things can go wrong?

Common sense is a fucking superpower....

or is this some joke that i don't get?

[SydKitty Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SydKitty]

Did you not notice the parenthesized qualifier directly following that statement? A lot worse experiments have been done on our own selves at these PE forums. Dare you look into the chemical PE sections?

Do I even make myself out as the type with the means to acquire any of this? No. I'm clearly just a wishful thinker. That much should have been gleaned from this mystical notion you refer to as 'common sense' when reading over it.

[Minuteman Member of the Month March 2013. Find all posts View Profile Close Minuteman]

I admit that i dare not look into the horrors of the chemical PE sections. Although i don't see how something worse can justify something bad, if there are pretty safe and natural ways of achieving all this (albeit longer ) with even less (or none) of the risk that something could go terribly terribly wrong.

Ah and thank you for confirming that my common sense works just fine

In other words if you had the means to acquire any of this you would take out your own blood put something in it then inject it back into your penis? Yeah my common sense does the job I can assure you :P

Anyway i dare not undermine your whatever is there to undermine, so i shall excuse myself from this topic and won't bother your "home experiments that you have no means to acquire" any longer.

[SydKitty Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SydKitty]

Such a foolish person, constantly making assumptions - goes hand in hand with that abundant ego as usual, though. Good to know you "won't" be returning to this thread.

Now onto the actual discussion, people.

[shane_syndrome Banned Find all posts View Profile Close shane_syndrome]

I am a man for science and look forward to see how this goes

[kakarotto Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close kakarotto]

I am a man for science and look forward to see how this goes

Hi there Shane I´ve read several of your post and I consider you a very knowledgeable person in all of this chemical PE thing. In your opinion: does the theory behind this procedure make sense? In the worst case scenario where it didn´t work (and you´ve lost money) could it cause any harm to the penis?

Regards

[UYN Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close UYN]

If anybody ever does this I look forward to seeing how it works out, because I have very strong doubts about the experiment alone. If I take into account the shady looks of the guy, and the unprofessional look of the site, well. I think you know where I am going with this.

-UYN-

[DrRunels Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DrRunels]

Just a few notes.

If anybody ever does this I look forward to seeing how it works out, because I have very strong doubts about the experiment alone. If I take into account the shady looks of the guy, and the unprofessional look of the site, well. I think you know where I am going with this.

-UYN-

Hello,

First, I'd like to thank the forum for giving some time to discussion of the process. I wasn't aware that it was here until someone sent me an email last night. I appreciate intelligent discussion and reading the threads is a help to me in understanding more about how to introduce the procedure when it is time.

I will answer a few questions as best I can.

First, about myself, then some about the procedure. I worked as a research chemist in the physical chemistry department of Southern Research Institute for 3 years before going to medical school. That experience opened my mind to finding a better way. To this day, US soldiers use some of the equipment that I helped develop in the area of early detection of chemical warfare agents.

Before it became as widely known, I was involved in a large study of growth hormone (with Pharmacia, when they still carried the drug, Genetropin, which they eventually sold go Pfiezer). This led to some expertise in hormone replacement and before I knew it, I had a huge practice of women coming to me for menopausal symptoms (before Suzane Sumers did her first booK). The kicker was that they would get skinny and horny and then many would leave their husbands. So, In 2004 I wrote a little book that I was just copying and giving to the women to take home to their husbands to convince them to come see me too. My patients loved it, the husbands started coming, so I self published it and from 2004 until 2008 it was the best selling sex manual on Amazon (you can see more about the book on my website).

Because of that, I had male patients come to me from all over the country. some of them reported that their penis grew when they combined the hormonal therapies with the physical exercises proposed on this site. I finally wrote a little ebook for my patients mostly to explain what the other patients were telling me.

In the mean time, I started doing some cosmetic work as well (the women would get skinny then want to reward themselves with Botox--so I learned how).

I soon had the largest botox and filler practice in my area because when I learn something I still take the approach of the research guy and go any where and read everything until I think I know as much as anyone in the world about the subject.

So, when I learned about Selphyl for the face and how it activates stem cells, I was excited about what it would do for the face but more excited about what it might do in the penis.

The best way to understand stem cells--unipotent vs totipotent is probably to read the summary on Wikipedia. Just go there and read the article about stem cells.

So, I sent out an email, just to my patients and readers offering them the shot (after I tried it on myself and found it worked). And some have come for treatment. The kits cost me a fortune so I must charge a fortune (I'm not wealthy enough yet to work for free).

Some have gotten great results some have not. Just this morning, I received this text, "Girlfriend can't walk but she keeps saying, "Wow" over and over :-)" But, I also just spoke to a patient who had great results but then it went a way after about 2 weeks.

I honestly advise anyone for whom $1,900 is a stretch of the budget to not come see me, and I'm not trying to widely recruit until I have a better feel for who will do well and who will not.

I will not treat a smoker because I have found when I treat the face the smokers get very little results (the toxins in the smoke counter act the growth factors).

some of the other issues:

My website looks home-made because I do it. I bought Front Page 98 and started putting out information for my patients and they find it helpful. Others read as well and I'm glad when they are helped but if they want something slick, they're in the wrong place. By doing it myself I can add material easily without going through someone else. I hired a web master once but the site quit sounding like me and adding material took to long so I took it back over.

As for my credentials, I've been involved in multiple research studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies and some of that research is posted on my website.

As for the hair: that one really makes me smile. As an ER physician, and most of my life, I kept my head almost shaved and wore a tie even at night so that people would trust me quickly and I could do what I needed to do (for example I might need to do a spinal tap on a young child).

After being raped by the legal system about 10 years ago in a divorce at the same time I opened up private practice and started to do research, I sort of had a a change of heart and decided that I would just be who I am. Since my heroes since childhood have been Benjamin Franklin, Walt Whitman, Tarzan, Jesus Christ, and Leonardo da Vinci (all of whom had long hair), I just decided those who loved me would come and those who were looking for Marcu Welby and a regurgitated version of whatever propaganda the American Medical Association and the Insurance Companies were spewing that week--well they probably didn't belong in my office anyway--so I'm hopeful they find healing but I'm not the man for the job.

So, I'm not really here to defend myself of the Priapus Shot, only to say, I understand all of the opinions expressed and am grateful for all discussion. I didn't intend for it to leak out just yet. I created the web page to educate my patients and readers.

I don't know yet if this will be like Sculptra (where it takes a series of three injections), or Hyalgan (which takes a weekly injection for 5 weeks) or Synvisc which takes a series of three.

I don't know the percentage that will be helped. So far, I'm seeing about 70% who see increased size and about 90% who see increased function, but to have true statistics I need to treat at least a few hundred people--which I have not done.

Writing is difficult to demonstate tone so not sure if I'm being clear but I really am grateful for the attention and understanding of the purpose and the importance. I've treated at least 3,000 women for hormone problems and I know how often women are not satisfied with sex and how often they don't even tell their husband because they are afraid of hurting his feelings--but he knows.

I've gotten the phone calls from the guys with the penis so small that he's never had a date or so small that he knows that it's interfered with him socially. I do think family and relationships are where we find the most joy and straight up good sex helps cement the bond. It's shocking to me how few doctors will admit that and still consider a physician who practices any sort of sexual medicine a quack--it's important yet you get Viagra or Cialis or perhaps Trimix or penis implant and that's about it and that's not good enough for me or for many men.

So, yes, I'm trying to find a way. Viagra does not work for everyone, neither does trimix, and neither will the Priapus shot. Stay skeptical, the discussion is stimulating and motivating to me. I'll keep you posted by visiting the site occasionally (or you can sign up for my letter on the site).

There are many quacks in every type of medicine (unfortunately) not just penis growth. I don't want to be added to the list. But, I won't let fear of the label keep me from looking for the better way.

Oh yes, one more thing--about injecting something foreign. I understand the fear and this is where it's confusing-especially if you read some of the news reports about use in the face where the reporter got it confused. Believe me, before I injected this into a penis that worked well (my own) I read as much as I could and injected faces for 4 months. There's NEVER been any sort of allergic reaction or fibrosis with use in the face. THERE IS NO FOREIGN SUBSTANCE. A few drops of Calcium Chloride (which is what is released from the cells with injury) is added and tricks the platelets into releasing the growth factors. Adding calcium chloride is about like adding sodium chloride (table salt), it's in your body anyway. It's just that calcium chloride is normally only in contact with platelets when there's an injury--so platelets think you've been injured and release hormones (your platelets and your hormones) and then put back in to tell the penis to grow new blood flow and new corpus cavernosum.

Another way to think of it (not the same but same in that it's your stuff put back in) would be taking an egg from a woman and a sperm from a man, adding them both to a test tube, then injecting them into the woman's uterus. It's all their stuff, just processed and then put in the right place. The infertility doctor knows what to take , how to process it, and then where to put it to help the woman get pregnant-- but he's putting her stuff back in.

Same here except different stuff taking, different process, and put in different place for different reason.

OK, thanks again guys. When I finally do get all this worked out with the data published and doctors everywhere doing it, You guys can say, we roughed him up and made him stay hard and straight on task--and that's why I'm grateful.

There's a parade outside my house today, so I'm going outside to watch. Don't ever give up the quest for better sex nor underestimate it's power physically and spiritually.

Peace & Health,

Charles Runels, MD
TempleRepairdotcom

[android Member Find all posts View Profile Close android]

omg you ACTUALLY came to our little corner of webspace. I found your website a few weeks ago while searching randomly for PE related sites and I wrote you off as a nutcase/scam. Please stick around on this site, everyone here would greatly appreciate your insight and advice.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

WellSyd one thing we don't really like is for a member to call another member foolish.That is basically foolish and we don't condone that here so let's try to be nice.
Now for the second question is that is this an approved medical practice? I have not gone to the web site yet but I will.Experimentation on humans without protocol is kind of a no no as is doing an non accepted medical procedure nor is giving the information and tools necessary to conduct such procedure.I will go and dig for a while and be back. In the meantime be nice Syd!

[hsarge Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close hsarge]

What Dr. Runels is doing is often called 'Platelet Spinning'. You may remember Tiger Woods had a doctor from Canada do it for him when he was rehabing his knee. That doctor was arrested for bringing HGH across the border; there was no proof of Woods using HGH, but because of the Woods drama it sparked publicity. Platelet Spinning has been used for years to more quickly heal injuries in pro athletes. Dr. Runels is the first I have heard who has applied this to the penis. I started a thread on this about a week ago that met with some hostility. I also PM'ed a doctor who contributes here to get his opinion. I hope he will add to the discussion. It would seem to me that one would need to create an 'injury' (minor of course) by normal stretching or hanging in order for 'healing', which could mean growth. I know with joints this method causes the repair of cartilage by causing growth of new cells, as well as the strengthening of ligaments and tendons. More remarkably, this same methodology has been used in the heart to try to induce new blood vessel growth. The idea is stimulating. And thanks to Dr. Runels for adding to this discussion.

[UYN Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close UYN]

First of all doctor, I am sorry to have offended you. Such sites usually turn out to be bogus with no real person confessing to own it, at least it has been so until now. So the probability was support my favour. Either way, I still do apologize, but I am still quite skeptical to your experiment. Have you registered it on clinical trials.gov? If so I would very much like it if you provided us with the link, since for all I know you could just be fabricating the numbers you just mentioned.

-UYN-

[DrRunels Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DrRunels]

no apology needed.

First of all doctor, I am sorry to have offended you. Such sites usually turn out to be bogus with no real person confessing to own it, at least it has been so until now. So the probability was support my favour. Either way, I still do apologize, but I am still quite skeptical to your experiment. Have you registered it on clinical trials.gov? If so I would very much like it if you provided us with the link, since for all I know you could just be fabricating the numbers you just mentioned.

-UYN-

No offense taken--really tried to stress that. I've been called much worse. I figure you have to pretty much live in a hole to not take an occasional shot. At fifty years old, doing medicine for 20 years, and a couple of divorces under my belt--I don't take too many things personal.

Skeptical is a good thing and I'm not here to defend the procedure or to recruit people. Just here to add to the discussion. Stem cell therapy has been greatly misunderstood. But, you are right, for all you know I may be fabricating the numbers. As a matter of fact, a wise doctor told me in medical school, "Charles, there was a time when you could believe what you read in the New England Journal; now about half of it is bogus." There's even been a few studies about how the pressure from the drug companies that grant money for the research sometimes skews the data.

I have a patient who works for the FDA as auditor who just busted a major university for bogus data.

So stay skeptical, but I'm surprised some by the anger and closed-minded response from a forum I expect to be more open to new ideas. Guess you guys have been ripped off one too many times. Well, I'm NOT asking anyone to come see me. Just educating you on the science and will update you as I know more and publish more.

Totipotent stem cells are scary--you take cells from an embryo and in theory you could grow an army of Arnolds--all "manly men" and all exactly alike.

But, unipotent stem cells turn on every time you get a cut, or a sprain, or a bruise--and it's platelets that turn them on.

As for government trials and experimenting with people--it's already approved for putting just about anywhere for scars and rejuvenation. Yes I'm in the process of applying and publishing but it's already been used almost everywhere. Best I can tell, I"m the first person in the world to have the gonads to inject it into his own corpus cavernosum. People do much worse when they inject TriMix which is known to cause priapism and other problems where this has NEVER been know to cause a reaction or fibrosis.

I didn't post to this forum first--someone else did and I'm grateful--but not because I"m asking anyone to my office yet. I just showed up to help explains so please don't think I'm here to be the next penis rip-off.

You may want to read in detail the 4 relevant research papers posted on my site...one in particular from 2003 (seven years ago) where it was mentioned in Urology that this may be the treatment of the future for erectile dysfunction. So, this is not a new idea. Some doctors are harvesting fat (to get stem cells there) and injecting that: but who wants fat in his penis and it seems (from some of the research I posted on my site) that it's the growth factors in the fat and not the fat that's causing an increase in size and I can get more growth factors from platelets. The fact that someone can do surgery on a penis and it heals proves that there are stem cells in the penis to be stimulated just as there are in the face--I don't think there's a need to bring in the fat to bring in more stem cells.

I could go on and on but I'll stop.


Anyway, thanks again for the discussion, no hard feelings.

I think anyone who explores my site, watches my YouTube videos, googles me, reads my credentials will know that I'm just a frustrated doctor looking for a better way.