I am sceptical about PE after 9 months.

[drISlittle Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close drISlittle]

Its pretty funny though and shows the narrative you guys like to spin because not a single post here about being skeptical including the overwhelming LACK of evidence to what you guys are claiming, has a single like from any of the members claiming it works or claiming huge gains.

When someone makes a post that takes issue with this skepticism, that post gets liked by the same 3-5 people over and over. Sounds more like an echo chamber at the least. Dude makes a ridiculous claim of over 3 inches gained, and then why did it work for him? "Because I demanded it". Jesus christ. These people are either selling something or they are so beyond gullible there is no point in speaking with them.

The voice of reason and logical thinking in everyones brain would say, hmm, most people report supposed small gains, of maybe .2-.5 of an inch after months to a year of PE. This guy is claiming 6-15 times that amount, but has no proof, says the proof is in his pants, and it happened because he demanded it happen. And people believe that. That is sad, no matter which way you cut it.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

With a lot of these arguments it's really more about taking sides (binary thinking) than it is about being skeptical. Despite the original claims of zero evidence, notice how almost every time some form of evidence is presented there's a backtracking rebuttal to it (or it's ignored)- as if some from of defensive algorithm is being followed. No offers to consider the options, just another excuse to remain in the "opposing" camp.

Focus on those who may be skeptical but still curious (and not antagonistic) and it'll be time well spent

[amc Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close amc]

Here is some proof of length. So girth should work to.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20102448

[JohnF101 Member Find all posts View Profile Close JohnF101]

Here is a reputable study that was published in the British Journal of Urology that has proven extenders do in fact work. If extenders work then most certainly these exercises also work.
A pilot phase-II prospective study to test the ‘efficacy ..-

A couple of other good reads for you.

Penis Creep & Its Scientific Implications

The Precise Mechanism of the Penis Enlargement Response through Manual and Mechanical Intervention

Only the first link is to a scientific study - 6 months, .5" gain. While the study implies measurements after a year, none is provided.

[JohnF101 Member Find all posts View Profile Close JohnF101]

Here is some proof of length. So girth should work to.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20102448

It clearly says no increase in girth.

[donkeehote Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close donkeehote]

is sad, no matter which way you cut it.

What is sad is that you continue to engage when you are told there are no before/after dic picks for you to look at.

[drISlittle Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close drISlittle]

Calling out obvious BS and echo chamber mentality shouldn't be considered antagonistic it should be considered healthy Big Al. Do you honestly a believe a guy with no pictures who demanded his penis grows and advocates PE for 4 hours a day "if thats what it took", grew an actual 3 inches? Seriously, do you believe that or not, yes or no. Seems pretty IMPOSSIBLE to me, considering there isn't even surgery available that can give you that much size.

These BS claims about PE are not helping they are hurting potential PE's and customers who might supplement their PE with products you guys sell. It seems you guys enable the completely delusional. Guy above me AMC says he started nov 2009, gained .75 in length. This other guy claims 3 inches, and nobody bats and eyelash?

[donkeehote Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close donkeehote]

Calling out obvious BS and echo chamber mentality shouldn't be considered antagonistic it should be considered healthy Big Al. Do you honestly a believe a guy with no pictures who demanded his penis grows and advocates PE for 4 hours a day "if thats what it took", grew an actual 3 inches? Seriously, do you believe that or not, yes or no. Seems pretty IMPOSSIBLE to me, considering there isn't even surgery available that can give you that much size.

These BS claims about PE are not helping they are hurting potential PE's and customers who might supplement their PE with products you guys sell. It seems you guys enable the completely delusional. Guy above me AMC says he started nov 2009, gained .75 in length. This other guy claims 3 inches, and nobody bats and eyelash?

Maybe that is the difference. You are looking for "proof" PE works. Others are here for personal improvement, community, and support. It appears then that this community has nothing to offer you.

Call it delusional if you choose.

[closed224 Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2014, Feb 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close closed224]

Started in 1985. The reason they don't bat an eyelash is because they spend time growing thier dick. Not looking for something that doesn't exist. Pics don't exist thier, and my gains, exist. Many of us have multiple inch gains. In our hearts we know how much effort we put in. If you try you can tell us your story. Doubting me does you no good. I'm not selling anything. I'm not endorsing anything except your personal effort. Don't believe me. That is what I advocate. Grab six and pull. Or quit acting like you have knowledge. I have knowledge founded on years of experience. I have proof in my pants. I have a witness. You have bluster and doubt. I'll take my gains over your doubt anyday.

[Cavalier Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2015PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Cavalier]

You have clearly made your point over and over. May ask what you hope to gain by continuing to argue your disbelief and your criticism towards our members?

[closed224 Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2014, Feb 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close closed224]

Even if I posted a picture you would not believe it anyway. And when I started PE there were no digital cameras anyway. Quit looking for proof any where except in your own efforts. Try!

[closed224 Senior Member Member of the Month Dec 2014, Feb 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close closed224]

You are also probably wondering why all the moderators and administrators are gathering on this thread. It is because I am challenging your close minded attitudes. I am also talking bullshit on your doubt. You in turn are challenging me personally. Calling me names like joker. Saying I am crazy and a liar. Thier job is to make sure we play nicely. So far they have been gentle as we are skating the edge (yes good PE technique). They are hoping to deescalate this situation without spanking us (another fun technique but not for PE). So I'm going to stop for a while and let everybody breathe a little. I hope you do the same. I hope you put some effort into PE and I hope you are man enough to come tell us when your dick grows. I hope all the best for you even if you never PE. Good luck.

[jockinthebox Retired Moderator Member of the Month May 2015PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close jockinthebox]

PE is BOTH physiological & mental. Yes, some of us are blessed by genetics, have the correct stable mental attitude, are fundamentally healthy, eat a healthy diet, exercise, avoid drugs & PORN, are in stable physical sexual relationships (or at least have consistent sexual partners), and therefore benefit more from trying PE (even with a healthy amount of skepticism, but an open mind). I came here to improve my EQ first & foremost. If I gained a little size, that would be great! My attitude & expectations were fundamental to my success. I gained knowledge of healthy penis exercises geared to improve my sexual health. I didn't suffer from inadequacy nor did I lack self-confidence before I came here. I'm happy to say PE worked for me! It will work for virtually everyone, with no use of devices, but improved health (both physically & mentally) are KEY to successful PE, IMO.

Face facts, some guys are healthier, better looking, more out-going, keep & maintain their physical health, and seem "luckier" (sexually) than others. Well, boys, it's not all "LUCK"...you have to work for what you accomplish in life (in my experience). Sure it does come easier for some than others (genetics), but don't discount a positive mental attitude and the willingness to exercise self-control in other aspects of your life (diet, exercise, self-discipline in other areas) in order to accomplish your goals. There will always be doubters & skeptics among us here in the gym. It's not only a fact, but it's quite satisfying (IMO), when you compare & balance their skepticism with the results hanging between your legs! My "proof" is in my pants, and he's a constant reminder of how important PE is to me. I intend to die just like Nelson Rockefeller (God willing), ....in the saddle, RIDIN' IT HARD!...'nuff said....

[LookOut Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close LookOut]

I'm doing PE actively now for a month... And I gained like 1.3 cm...
That's bout half an inch. For me it's working. You might not be doing it right.

[JohnF101 Member Find all posts View Profile Close JohnF101]

Even if I posted a picture you would not believe it anyway. And when I started PE there were no digital cameras anyway. Quit looking for proof any where except in your own efforts. Try!

Easily affordable digital cameras have been available for 15 years. Cell phones with cameras were common 10 years ago. Smartphones have been available since 2008 (I bought an HTC G1 the weekend it was released) and Smartphones were quite common by the end of 2009.