Skeptic looking for proof

[ByggD Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ByggD]

>Are you suggesting that PE is mainstream and popular like religion?

No. But believing in something without evidence is faith.

>Note that he said "However, the fact that people come back to this site, advise others, and update their own progress should be plenty of proof for skeptics to try it out."

This is EXACTLY what sounded religious.

"The fact that many people go to Mass and find comfort in it means you should give it a try."

>Nonetheless it is definitely not an argumentum ad populum.

It seems to be; because he's saying that people believe in it, so give it a try (believe in it to a degree yourself).

>I don't believe PE works because everybody says it does. I tried it for that reason, but I believe it works because my fucking penis grew.

If you could document that properly, then it'll be evidence.

Wait. I say people should try it out and you are asserting that this is blind faith? That is laughable. What that comment says is people keep coming back because they are seeing physical results. You should try it out because you will either see physical results or you won't. Not sure why you want to suppress this issue so much. It is nowhere near blind faith. I think you are being skeptical just for the sake of being skeptical.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

No clue why some people argue over all this anyways, we don't force them to come here, it's not like were taking their money If they need help or suggestions, we give it, if they aren't sure about doing it or if it works or not, we don't force them and yell at them saying its real, then can feel free to look at a success forum and see people over the years and their progress, if they want more proof, too bad for them, go give someone money and let them take 1 photo each year then make a flipbook out of it

[ByggD Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ByggD]

No clue why some people argue over all this anyways, we don't force them to come here, it's not like were taking their money If they need help or suggestions, we give it, if they aren't sure about doing it or if it works or not, we don't force them and yell at them saying its real, then can feel free to look at a success forum and see people over the years and their progress, if they want more proof, too bad for them, go give someone money and let them take 1 photo each year then make a flipbook out of it

You know how much money I spent on my .4" gain? Absolutely nothing; zero dollars . I also gained zero dollars from helping people and spending time here. Let me tell you, all of that zero net profit is working wonders. It helps me maintain the lie

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

Haha yep, all this lying pays off just to see a thread like this, we tricked them good, years of fake penis stats well spent

[Miamihurricane Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Miamihurricane]

Man, if it didn't work I wouldn't spent time on this website. PE has taken over my life, pretty time consuming, being on this website all day..but I wouldn't have it any other way....because it works...

[wind chill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wind chill]

PE works but not as 90% thinks.
Those sceptics want 3"-4",they want it all and they want it now.
there are more than 13.000 daily on this site yet people claim it doesn't work.hilarious.

[cantwait Banned Find all posts View Profile Close cantwait]

PE works but not as 90% thinks.
Those sceptics want 3"-4",they want it all and they want it now.
there are more than 13.000 daily on this site yet people claim it doesn't work.hilarious.

Im kind of a skeptic still and i don't want 3-4 inch and i don't want it right now. if i may. i disagree with that statement. All I want is .6 to .7 of a gain not to much and yet im still skeptic. I can truly say this, i really don't know why im still a skeptic.

Maybe it because all of this is over the internet and and I'm not seeing the the claims with my own eyes on a day to day bases, or maybe cause so many say this is physically impossible. I don't know. also to say a certain number of people are on this site daily and that along is the reason that this is what make this true or back it up that it work, is kind of misleading. just mean its a lot of men with a lot of time on their hand and is hoping this thing we call penis enhancement can honestly work and make a bad night mare go away by becoming larger.

[Thrill Drill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Thrill Drill]

Go to the success forum and you'll have all the proof you could possibly want. I'm a bit pressed on time, but here are two threads that have picture proof. Enjoy:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/success-forum/27155-routines-picture-proof-picture-comparison.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/success-forum/6552-pics-gains.html

[closed290 Awaiting Email Confirmation Find all posts View Profile Close closed290]

Skeptical, you're right. It's all a hoax. This entire site filled with at least several hundred people was designed just to trick YOU into injuring Skeptic Jr. so it will have to be removed and we'll have one less cock to compete with at the bars.... Most people don't catch on. Congrats amigo.

[ByggD Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ByggD]

Im kind of a skeptic still and i don't want 3-4 inch and i don't want it right now. if i may. i disagree with that statement. All I want is .6 to .7 of a gain not to much and yet im still skeptic. I can truly say this, i really don't know why im still a skeptic.

Maybe it because all of this is over the internet and and I'm not seeing the the claims with my own eyes on a day to day bases, or maybe cause so many say this is physically impossible. I don't know. also to say a certain number of people are on this site daily and that along is the reason that this is what make this true or back it up that it work, is kind of misleading. just mean its a lot of men with a lot of time on their hand and is hoping this thing we call penis enhancement can honestly work and make a bad night mare go away by becoming larger.

Several people are misinterpreting what I said about the people being on this site. I never said, "People come to this site, therefore penis enlargement is very real." Never even came close to that. I said people would have to present a valid reason for why people like me CONTINUE to come here if it is NOT working. Why on earth would I come to a site and tell people about my gains and offer advice and even tell people my exact routine with time spent on each stretch/jelq if it weren't working? That is an awful lot of information I give and time I spend helping others. If I were telling a lie, my statements would be vague, ambiguous, and leaving people asking more questions. I tell people exactly what I do, how I do it, when I do it, and why. I am very clear.

Also, there are several motivations for industries to suppress information about penis enlargement and various other non-medical practices, such as massage therapy, acupuncture, in short, non-western medicinal practice. In the USA and most of the EU (thus, western culture), many countries follow the mantra, "A pill for every ill." Pharmaceutical companies are so far up the governments as- that they have a stranglehold on policy concerning pharmaceuticals. Okay, that is a hyperbole, they don't have a stranglehold, but their amount of power is very concerning. For example, Japan as a cancer treatment that has a success rate of 70% and the USA has decided that it is "illegal." Why? Japan uses vitamins to combat cancer. Can you imagine the pharmaceutical industry losing all of that money if vitamin treatment became available for insurance? Pharmaceutical companies would be hurt tremendously, but they have the joke of the FDA on their side to suppress the cures for cancer, diabetes, and other complications. Therefore, we see their motivation. Now, I ask again, what is my motivation for continuing this alleged facade?

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Several people are misinterpreting what I said about the people being on this site. I never said, "People come to this site, therefore penis enlargement is very real." Never even came close to that. I said people would have to present a valid reason for why people like me CONTINUE to come here if it is NOT working. Why on earth would I come to a site and tell people about my gains and offer advice and even tell people my exact routine with time spent on each stretch/jelq if it weren't working? That is an awful lot of information I give and time I spend helping others. If I were telling a lie, my statements would be vague, ambiguous, and leaving people asking more questions. I tell people exactly what I do, how I do it, when I do it, and why. I am very clear.

Also, there are several motivations for industries to suppress information about penis enlargement and various other non-medical practices, such as massage therapy, acupuncture, in short, non-western medicinal practice. In the USA and most of the EU (thus, western culture), many countries follow the mantra, "A pill for every ill." Pharmaceutical companies are so far up the governments as- that they have a stranglehold on policy concerning pharmaceuticals. Okay, that is a hyperbole, they don't have a stranglehold, but their amount of power is very concerning. For example, Japan as a cancer treatment that has a success rate of 70% and the USA has decided that it is "illegal." Why? Japan uses vitamins to combat cancer. Can you imagine the pharmaceutical industry losing all of that money if vitamin treatment became available for insurance? Pharmaceutical companies would be hurt tremendously, but they have the joke of the FDA on their side to suppress the cures for cancer, diabetes, and other complications. Therefore, we see their motivation. Now, I ask again, what is my motivation for continuing this alleged facade?

sorry if i had it all wrong. But when you make a statement like that it leaves the door open for people to misinterpret it. Again i don't agree with everything you just said but, I do believe in that you have tried pe and have had some small success and you do your part in trying to share what you have done. Now where it gets a little hard is what you are saying can be enough evidence to say, yes this can and will work and change a skeptic mind. i personally dont think so bit everybody is different, and i hate to say it but hard proof is what their looking for where a person can look right at something and they just cant deny what they saw or looking at. You might one of a few that truly had some success and really whats to help but when you read a lot of these post you have to admit some of it is far fetch, and that raises the red flag.

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sorry if i had it all wrong. But when you make a statement like that it leaves the door open for people to misinterpret it. Again i don't agree with everything you just said but, I do believe in that you have tried pe and have had some small success and you do your part in trying to share what you have done. Now where it gets a little hard is what you are saying can be enough evidence to say, yes this can and will work and change a skeptic mind. i personally dont think so bit everybody is different, and i hate to say it but hard proof is what their looking for where a person can look right at something and they just cant deny what they saw or looking at. You might one of a few that truly had some success and really whats to help but when you read a lot of these post you have to admit some of it is far fetch, and that raises the red flag.

just had a really good workout. still really dont know if it works, but i must say I'm opening up to the ideal this could work. I guess ill keep a log and see what happens, couldn't hurt.

[ByggD Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ByggD]

just had a really good workout. still really dont know if it works, but i must say I'm opening up to the ideal this could work. I guess ill keep a log and see what happens, couldn't hurt.

Can a person who wishes to be become a gymnast get better flexibility? Of course. How do they do it? Stretching their ligaments over and over. This also reduces the risk of injury and sports science is on my side there as well.

I understand the skepticism and trepidation in beginning endeavor such as PE. However, after one thinks about it there is not much evidence against PE. Also, it is not too much different than stretching the ligaments in your quads and hamstrings so you can perform the "splits." The human body adapts to survive. If you present a new environment to your body it will most likely adapt. It has to in order to live on.

[cantwait Banned Find all posts View Profile Close cantwait]

Can a person who wishes to be become a gymnast get better flexibility? Of course. How do they do it? Stretching their ligaments over and over. This also reduces the risk of injury and sports science is on my side there as well.

I understand the skepticism and trepidation in beginning endeavor such as PE. However, after one thinks about it there is not much evidence against PE. Also, it is not too much different than stretching the ligaments in your quads and hamstrings so you can perform the "splits." The human body adapts to survive. If you present a new environment to your body it will most likely adapt. It has to in order to live on.

yea well im going to give it a real shot. still learning as i go. its just so hard when you read one thing saying this wont and can't work and then you come to a place like this where people are saying it can and will work because it has work for them. who to believe?

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Think about it; what do you really have to lose? If after a few months you don't see any improvement than you can just take up dominos. I bet you'll be happy.