Skeptic looking for proof

[blink2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close blink2000]

To further complicate things, some guys don't believe PE is real until they have already gained a large amount (so they don't bother with photos). Also, some guys keep PE a secret from the whole world, including their own wives or significant others. Finally, even when we do take photos--we are not professional photographers, so people have their doubts.

Extender Trials
Anyway, there are plenty of clinical trials these days proving things like extenders work--since they have a profit motive, they have gathered the resources & created successful extender trials demonstrating 100 guys can average something like 1/2" of growth in 6 months. Ironically, from my own PE studies, I don't think extenders are by any means the best way to gain length; they might actually be inferior to hanging & manual means. However, this is where the money is, so these companies promote their own devices & they have the revenue to support it.

Phalloplasty Surgeons Already Know About Hanging
It's also well known among phalloplasty surgeons that hanging weight post op gives many guys 3/4" or so of gains also. By the way, I've read some reports & most doctors use hanging techniques we actually discourage (their poor patients are hanging up to 10lbs in weight with latex from the coronal ridge of their penis---on these forums you'll see guys get chastised for trying to hang anywhere closer than 1.25" behind the coronal ridge of the glans--we know the hanging from the glans is dangerous & unnecessary).

I do realize that some doctors use extenders post-op as well. Of course, the operation (cutting the suspensory ligaments) is not required at all to make gains... I know some doctors realize that, because that is how I found out about penis weight hanging in the first place. In fact, from what I understand, cutting the suspensory ligaments only gives flaccid hang gains; not erect length gains. Those only come from the post op hanging or extender use.

Manual Exercise (Jelq & Stretch) Clinical Trial
Manual means of increasing size are just as effective, & there are actually a few studies on this as well (I believe Remek either created a trial, or at least mentions a clinical trial in his book, "exercising the penis"). I forgot the exact numbers on this. I know a lot of guys gained around 1" in the clinical trial, but I can't recall the length of time that passed (how many months the trial lasted).

[skeptical Member Find all posts View Profile Close skeptical]

PE doesn't work.NObody gain nothing.We are all pretending.There is your answer.now please leave and let us "pretend"

someone LOCK this THREAD PLEASE

Why should this be locked? You are the one who just said that, not me. There is nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed about if you're being honest and forthright, and there is no reason to hide. So if I ask questions you don't like, then just ignore what I wrote!

[skeptical Member Find all posts View Profile Close skeptical]

If the thread provides no benefit to anyone, then I suppose it might as well be closed. I'm against too much negativity with no basis--as you said, its his word against ours. It's completely futile unless he tries it himself.

I vote go ahead & close it if you guys think is necessary.

It's not "my word against yours" because I'm not claiming it doesn't work!

[skeptical Member Find all posts View Profile Close skeptical]

Dear Skeptical,

As a medical doctor, I am too somewhat skeptical of PE. I am one-hundred percent certain, however, that it is possible to achieve “modest gains” by mere elastic deformation of penile structures. In fact, I have already experienced such gains, and am hoping to gather proof that it is possible to gain size through the generation of completely new tissue.

I believe it is safe to say that gains of over 1” in BPEL cannot only be attributed to elastic deformation and are strong evidence that PE stimulates “true growth”, i.e., cellular multiplication. Having said that, I have also not been able to find quality photographic proof on this website or elsewhere online. It must be because it is quite difficult to come up with such photos when you are trying to keep a full erection while straightening your penis with one hand and holding the ruler with the other. Therefore, substantial gains must be made prior to collecting such evidence, which I fully intend to accomplish once my short-term goals are met.

Cheers,
AF

Interesting post. Thanks for the comment.

[Going411x7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Going411x7]

In my case (for example), my wife doesn't want to take a picture of my penis for me.

It's pretty damn hard to hold the ruler & the erection in one hand, then use the camera with the other hand. I'm not a photographer either & the pictures are not that great. The problem is, by the time you get things right, you start to lose your erection and you can quickly lose a full 1" in size for the camera within seconds. I can probably get fine pictures without a ruler, but I figure those are not as valuable for demonstrating gains...

The other issue is my erection has a major upward angle & it points a bit off to one side, so it's quite hard to hold the ruler in place near my penis... It's even worse for guys with major curvature of the penis--they might need 2 hands to hold a ruler or tape in place for a photo. Aside from that, some of us are extremely private people; where either we or our significant other is not ok with our pictures being posted.

Anyway, as you mentioned, PE worked on you when you tried it. Through forums like these we have determined anyone can make pretty good gains with good consistency & determination; this is why we mostly just ask guys to try it out if they really want to know (and take good, accurate before & after measurements).

The Mrs. would throw me out of the house if I asked her to take a dick pic for me. Ha, ha, ha. You guys are so on target here. My dick always starts to shrink when I get the cam. out. I DO take pics for my own satisfaction. It keeps it fresh for me and reminds me (when I take a close-up) why the Mrs. refuses to give me a good blow job.

[Captain Planet Member Find all posts View Profile Close Captain Planet]

I took some of the pics from Thunder's and posted them at pegym before in this thread: https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...l-proof-3.html

I've had to stop PE for a while now so I don't keep up around here as much as I should or I'dve tried to solve this earlier. Like I said in the original post, those pics do not belong to me and they should be credited to Thunder's and to the individual members I listed.

Skeptic, I understand how you'd like to see that something works before you invest time and effort into it, but you're failing to see things from the other guys' point of view. These forums are easily the most friendly ones I've seen online. Just look around it for ten or fifteen minutes; it's not hard to see. I doubt there are a whole lot of groups of people, online or off, that are as tight knit and devoted to helping each other as these forums, then you waltzed in and asked for proof. To you that might not sound bad, and you're asking with the best of intentions, but to everyone else it comes off as "Prove to me you're not full of shit." Under that kind of scrutiny I'd say everyone was terrifically helpful.

That said be careful and I wish you luck if you start up a routine. If you need help you won't have to look far

[bostonresident Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bostonresident]

i have to say this is the most telling post of all.

i am also somewhat skeptical.

this guy "skeptic" just wanted proof. then he go attacked and basically told that there is no proof and that it doesnt matter.

none of this makes any sense to me.

if PE REALLY WORKED there would be tons of pics of guys out there bragging about how much they gained with credible before and after pics. THERE IS NONE OF THAT. please explain this to me.

thanks

[RedForever Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RedForever]

why don't you try it and find out? There are tonnes of pics of bragging, trust me. Even me! I have gained over half inch in length.

Just do it, stop whingeing and follow the JP90 day programme.

Do you really think this many people wouldn't suss out it was a scam/waste of time by now?

It honestly works. But it's slow and you need dedication, faith, patience and positivity.
Something you will need to learn also by the sounds of your post.

Just go for it bud and don't question.

[NP97 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close NP97]

What is with all these popping up?!?!

[Unit Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Unit]

none of this makes any sense to me.

if PE REALLY WORKED there would be tons of pics of guys out there bragging about how much they gained with credible before and after pics. THERE IS NONE OF THAT. please explain this to me.

My penis is kind of a private part of my life and person. It seems to me that posting before and after pictures would not change a thing for the skeptic, with all that ways that there is to doctor a picture what would be the use. I don't brag about gains, just state fact by way of encouragement and I sure as hell don't talk to my friends about it.

Feel free to post your beginning and after pictures; after you've gained, but as for my dick I'm hoping to keep it off the web. It just sound to much like a dog and pony show for me.

[Captain Planet Member Find all posts View Profile Close Captain Planet]

if PE REALLY WORKED there would be tons of pics of guys out there bragging about how much they gained with credible before and after pics. THERE IS NONE OF THAT. please explain this to me.

thanks

Did you look at the thread I linked to one post above you?


This has been explained already in the thread, but I'll go through a few reasons why people don't take pictures. Note that not all of them will make sense unless you're actually in the situation of experiencing; kind of like how armchair quarterbacks or politicians say what to do but would fall apart if they were in the spotlight.

1. Accurate pictures are hard to get. 1/8th of an inch is a good gain, and have you ever looked at the marks on a ruler? There's a lot of precision involved to getting a good measurement, and if you do it wrong, you could leave yourself thinking you've gained nothing or you've gained a half inch. Maintaining an erection while you're focusing on ruler measurements isn't easy either. So if it's this difficult to just take a good measurement, imagine how difficult it is to do all that while taking a picture of yourself doing it.

The next time you're changing your oil or flipping pancakes, take a picture of yourself doing it.

2. We don't need pictures. Before you walk outside, do you read a book on the law of gravity to make sure you don't float away? Or do you just assume your feet will stick to the ground? If something is true, and you know it's true, that's all you need. Would pictures help convince people this stuff is true? Yes, but this isn't a lab experiment. This site is regular people trying things out to better themselves. Proof doesn't fit into that equation.

3. Someone could link the pictures to you. What if you accidentally leave a picture on the camera and someone borrows it? What if someone snoops on your computer? What if you dopeishly take a picture that has your amazing, one-of-a-kind, exquisite lampshade with a drawing of Norman Rockwell drawing Picasso as a rubik's cube in the background, and a friend finds it online while looking for lampshades? You really never know what will happen. Better safe than known as someone who pulls on their penis.


I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the major ones. Few people want to do something that's frustrating, few people need picture proof of themselves, and the fewest people want people to know what they're doing here.

A few more things: If something doesn't make sense to you, read about it until it does; considering everyone was being called a liar, people responded well; and if PE didn't work there wouldn't be message boards filled with people obsessed with how well it works.

[Closed039 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Closed039]

Oh man, I remembered posting on here a long while back and saw this thread was just bumped.

The best legit photographic evidence that I have seen in PE are of Saiyan's dick. That guy has perfect pictures and documentation of his gains of over 1 inch in length (I think he is at around 1.25 now). Next time somebody comes in here just direct them to his pictures please so we can stop the bullshit. This is coming from somebody who is skeptical of damn near everything.

[DownLow Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DownLow]

Can always ask my wife. We sex almost everyday and she still remarks at least once a week how much bigger it feels each time, though I don't see it with my eyes.

[Messerschmidt Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Messerschmidt]

I have to admit, the zeal of the members of this forum can come off as a bit cultish and unnecessary, but thanks for the link Captain Planet. Decent pictures of gains are hard to come by, as some have said, measuring properly or taking a good picture while maintaining a 100% erection is tough enough, let alone combining them, so that was nice to see. Aside from that, which does look pretty compelling, I think there still are a lot of reasons for laymen to be skeptical about PE, just because a large group of people say something is real, does not make it real, or else I would have joined all of the world's major religions.

I still have my doubts, I feel like I may have made some small gains in my first 3 months and I still might be slowly progressing, but the gains so far are just too minimal to be sure. Certainly going to continue, at least until the end of May (the end of my 6th month) but I'm still waiting on the day I can put the ruler up and say "there is no way I could have gotten there before I started".

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

I hope you took good accurate pictures before you started or else no one will believe you! How silly!