The Ultimate V (The UV)

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Sounds pretty solid to me.

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rbi99, my understanding that you recommend the Ultimate V Jelq with an inverted vertical V. Why not a horizontal V? I am a newbie who mainly extends but have been getting more into jelqing between stretches. I am uncut and jelq dry. Somehow I have stumbled into a type of V jelq where the V is horizontal, my unit is at right angles to my body and I pull out with both hands, the second hand clamping down on the open V so I am squeezing mainly the top and bottom of my unit as I pull out towards my glans. I find it relatively easy to get a straight strong pull. Is this poor technique?

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rbi99, my understanding that you recommend the Ultimate V Jelq with an inverted vertical V. Why not a horizontal V? I am a newbie who mainly extends but have been getting more into jelqing between stretches. I am uncut and jelq dry. Somehow I have stumbled into a type of V jelq where the V is horizontal, my unit is at right angles to my body and I pull out with both hands, the second hand clamping down on the open V so I am squeezing mainly the top and bottom of my unit as I pull out towards my glans. I find it relatively easy to get a straight strong pull. Is this poor technique?

No, but the main focus of the V or UV are the CC's which lie along the sides of your shaft. You are missing them or at a minimum not hitting them very effectively. Nothing will enlarge along the top of your shaft, and some would question applying too much pressure to the dorsal vein that lies there. You are basically only hitting your CS with this style, and the UJ will do that for you. I go with my finger webbing being on top of my shaft because it is easier for me to grab my fingers below since I do these standing. Also, I am unshaved so if I went with my finger webbing being below my shaft my pubic hairs would get in the way when I tried to grip my fingers.

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Some guys say their shaft twists on them when trying to do this exercise. If it always twists in the same direction, I believe that slightly moving your grip off center should help correct that. Also, and this is only a thought, could the twisting be caused of an imbalance in the sizes of each of your CC's? Because the pressure you are generating is far greater than when doing V's the regular way, two slightly different sized CC's might cause that. Another possible solution might be to cut back slightly on the pressure of your grip. I have not had this problem, so I am only throwing these thoughts out there.

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rbi99, thanks for the explanation, very useful to this newbie.

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Some guys say their shaft twists on them when trying to do this exercise. If it always twists in the same direction, I believe that slightly moving your grip off center should help correct that. Also, and this is only a thought, could the twisting be caused of an imbalance in the sizes of each of your CC's? Because the pressure you are generating is far greater than when doing V's the regular way, two slightly different sized CC's might cause that. Another possible solution might be to cut back slightly on the pressure of your grip. I have not had this problem, so I am only throwing these thoughts out there.

rbi99 Started your UV technique and found it works well for me. Couple of points though. I find it easier if I do move the inverted V somewhat off vertical. Much more natural for my hands that way. If you swap hands say every 10 jelqs, as I believe you suggest. that should even things out. Another question for you: I assume that when you grip your fingers with your second hand you should also squeeze up against your CS as you squeeze your two fingers against the side of each CC. Is that correct? I appreciate the advice you have given in this thread.

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rbi99 Started your UV technique and found it works well for me. Couple of points though. I find it easier if I do move the inverted V somewhat off vertical. Much more natural for my hands that way. If you swap hands say every 10 jelqs, as I believe you suggest. that should even things out. Another question for you: I assume that when you grip your fingers with your second hand you should also squeeze up against your CS as you squeeze your two fingers against the side of each CC. Is that correct? I appreciate the advice you have given in this thread.

That would depend on the length of your fingers and the size of your girth. I am a tall guy but my fingers are only normal length, and with my girth as it is the UV grip does not wrap my fingers around my shaft enough to do much for my CS. Remember to keep your focus on your CC's, but if your tips reach your CS while doing this exercise that would be a bonus.

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I was really struggling with getting the UV technique right. I followed your instructions and looked at the photos but I never really felt the blood being pumped and driven up my penis the way I did with either standard jelqs or UJs.

As an aside, thanks for inventing the UJ. It takes the jelq to a whole new level and is really awesome.

But back to the matter at hand, so to speak.

I guess between the particular and unique anatomy of my own penis and hands, the space between my middle and pointer finger simply wasn't able to effectively trap the blood in my CCs. Not even clamped with my other hand.

On top of that I had the problem that other guys mentioned with having my penis twist/rotate in response to this kind of jelq. As such, I struggled to keep pressure directed at my CCs.

After three weeks of trying and tweaking, I still couldn't get the hang of it. Naturally, I was frustrated. I had experienced the massive difference when I upped my game with UJs. I was disappointed that it looked like I was going to miss out on the benefits of UVs.

That's when I decided to try a minor variation. I formed an overhand grip using only my thumb and forefinger, but rather than completing the standard OK shape, I restricted it to mimic the V shape used in your UV. To put it another way, instead of closing the OK grip, I pointed my thumb and finger straight down. I kegeled some blood in, squeezed my thumb and finger together, then jelqed up my shaft.

BAM!

Right away I could feel the pressure and see the expansion targeted directly to my CCs. I knew immediately that this was the sensation you had described as the goal for UVs.

Here are a few additional findings I've made with this method:

1) Your fingers/knuckles don't get fatigued from the strain of being bent to clamp the penis. Standard UVs really strained my fingers/knuckles and I found I had to switch hands after every 10 reps as you advised.

2) There is tremendous strength between the pointer finger and the thumb. Exponentially more than what can be achieved between the fingers. That's why it's necessary to clamp the UV grip on the bottom with the other hand. There's not much strength between the pointer and middle finger. Between the thumb and pointer, however, it's a whole different story.

3) Since only one hand is engaged for this jelq, it's now possible to integrate part of the UJ method into this modified UV. When you reach the top of the jelq, you can kegel, clamp the second hand on at the base, and get a mini squeeze with each jelq.

4) The much more touch sensitive finger and thumb combo gives an incredible sense and awareness of directly targeting the CCs. As a result I've become much more aware of the difference between CC and CS and how they each respond to the different jelqing methods ie UJs and UVs.

5) The finger and thumb combo is more coordinated. I've found no twisting/rotation of the penis while jelqing.

I guess I am simply used to doing it the way I do. I tried using my thumb and forefinger, but because they are offset for me I had to twist my wrist too much. Using the middle and pointing finger keeps my wrist directly in line with my jelq. Because my unit doesn't twist when I perform these, I don't need to make an adjustment here.

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Today I tried something a little different. I had stopped doing UV's because I figured I was large enough and was getting tired of doing a routine 10 days straight. I lost 1/2" in a seemingly short period of time, but I didn't care. Then I started to do bundled LAS's, and my losses stopped. I added heat to the bundled LAS's and I actually started to gain a little bit of girth. Needless to say that got me fired up and I started back with the UV's (I had continued to do UJ's, but at a reduced number of jelqs and sessions). While I am regaining the lost 1/2", I am not going to go crazy with this shit. Maybe three sessions a week max, alternating sessions between UV's and UJ's, and still at a reduced number (200 jelqs). But what I did different today is this, I threw in 50 faster jelqs to go along with my 150 slow jelqs (I stayed at 200 total, but the middle ones I did more quickly). My normal UV stroke takes about 7 1/2 seconds, and I add another 1 1/2 seconds getting each grip in place and squeezing before starting the next jelq. The quicker jelqs were probably in the line of four seconds (certainly not super fast at all). My thinking is that by doing all of them at the same speed my cells "know" what is coming next. By doing a 50 stroke section faster I hope to "shock and confuse" them. Also hoping it further fatigues the cells because of it. Sort of like a jogger who in the middle of his jog sprints for a certain amount of distance, then resumes his slower pace. It doesn't hurt that this also means my sessions are a little shorter!!! This will probably be hard to determine if my thinking is correct or not, but I will give this a try for a while to see if something good happens.

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Tried these today, didn't do too much for me. It worked my unit no doubt, but it wasn't the "wow this is amazing" reaction. To me the normal Vs work better.

With that being said ill keep trying them and figured out a way to prevent the twisting. With the squeeze hand, use the index and thumb on both sides of your squeeze fingers and let them ride the underside of your penis. This kept it straight most of the time.

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Tried these today, didn't do too much for me. It worked my unit no doubt, but it wasn't the "wow this is amazing" reaction. To me the normal Vs work better.

With that being said ill keep trying them and figured out a way to prevent the twisting. With the squeeze hand, use the index and thumb on both sides of your squeeze fingers and let them ride the underside of your penis. This kept it straight most of the time.

Your CC's are so large compared to your CS, and because this exercise, just like a regular V targets those CC's (and by their nature leave gaps in your fingers so blood can escape unlike the regular jelq or UJ), you won't feel a huge expansion. The key difference for these is that you not only don't loose finger strength, you can completely control how hard you squeeze. The pressure you generate only squeezing your two fingers together as you do when doing regular V's, pales in comparison to how much pressure you can apply when you use your other hand to squeeze those same fingers. You want to do 50, 150, 300, you can because you won't experience finger fatigue. It is also easier to completely control how fast or slow you jelq. I take nine seconds per stroke, but if I was doing regular V's that would also fatigue my fingers. But this might not be the exercise for you, no exercise is perfect that is for sure.

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Your CC's are so large compared to your CS, and because this exercise, just like a regular V targets those CC's (and by their nature leave gaps in your fingers so blood can escape unlike the regular jelq or UJ), you won't feel a huge expansion. The key difference for these is that you not only don't loose finger strength, you can completely control how hard you squeeze. The pressure you generate only squeezing your two fingers together as you do when doing regular V's, pales in comparison to how much pressure you can apply when you use your other hand to squeeze those same fingers. You want to do 50, 150, 300, you can because you won't experience finger fatigue. It is also easier to completely control how fast or slow you jelq. I take nine seconds per stroke, but if I was doing regular V's that would also fatigue my fingers. But this might not be the exercise for you, no exercise is perfect that is for sure.

Yea I did notice that you can really control the length of the jelq much better. I think my erection level should probably be a bit higher. I had a pretty plump flaccid but I could squeeze it a good bit, feel like it should be a bit firmer with these exercises.

Might as well ask about my routine. I'm trying to incorporate UJs in place of normal jelqs on one day, along with 30(90) normal Vs. And then the next do 50(2 jelqs=1) normal jelqs with 30 UVs. Also been fowfering a good bit to get any bit of stretch possible. Any reccomendations to that?

Also do you have any experience with flaccid bends? Asked about it on another thread but didn't get any response.

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Yea I did notice that you can really control the length of the jelq much better. I think my erection level should probably be a bit higher. I had a pretty plump flaccid but I could squeeze it a good bit, feel like it should be a bit firmer with these exercises.

Might as well ask about my routine. I'm trying to incorporate UJs in place of normal jelqs on one day, along with 30(90) normal Vs. And then the next do 50(2 jelqs=1) normal jelqs with 30 UVs. Also been fowfering a good bit to get any bit of stretch possible. Any reccomendations to that?

Also do you have any experience with flaccid bends? Asked about it on another thread but didn't get any response.

PM me if you wish, but we need to keep this thread about the exercise. I would be more than happy to discuss your routine.

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Everytime I jelq, I try some of these and I still can't manage to do them perfectly. To do these, it means I can't hold back my shaft and scrotum skin each jelq like I do when I do normal jelqs. And I really need to hold the skin back, or else the jelq is not effective for me.

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Everytime I jelq, I try some of these and I still can't manage to do them perfectly. To do these, it means I can't hold back my shaft and scrotum skin each jelq like I do when I do normal jelqs. And I really need to hold the skin back, or else the jelq is not effective for me.

Could you use a small clamp for that purpose? Wouldn't want a wide one taking up space, but something no bigger than what your fingers are might do the trick.