Rare but common?

[Hanma Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hanma]

Uh, looks, wealth, voice, personality ... these things men are conscious of also. So I doubt penis size is the main thing keeping them from socialising when the outer appearance and personality traits are the things anyone sees first.

So ... yeah.

[NP97 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close NP97]

This is really becoming one of those threads, do we need to discuss how everybody knows the names and dates of every dick survey that has ever been done. The average ding dong is around(I said around, not exactly) 5 and 1/2 to 6 inches. Now can we all just get back to worrying about our own goo shooting custard cannons or can we find more ways to discuss who knows more about dick size, odds are your all wrong about one thing or another on the subject of the size of the average love wand.

[thenewdude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close thenewdude]

Wow, this thread is still going? There might be a higher fear of woman for guys who are average but I find that perhaps seldom. Before I knew anything about what average was, I thought my package was small even though no woman ever told me that. No every dude knows what average is. I only knew when my homey coming from 12 years in the military back in day told me which he was about 6 in length and about 5 in girth. So it is also possible for dudes above average to feel his package is under par. So really that whole "who socializes" is highly debate-able.
A dude can be anti-social because he thinks most people are dicks or full of s***, etc... Heck, the dude may have a hard time taking to woman because he's just a shy cat. Many he was made fun of too much in school where he's opinion of himself is low. There are a numerous things that can make one not take part in a social life whether man or woman.

[Jiminy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jiminy]

I think the average must be about 9 inches because i see so many of you tell me that huge ones are every where. Must be true. I know there is one in Omaha, Souix City, Des Moines, Wichita, Boise, Billings and Seattle but the biggest average in the world is in Detroit because everybody knows that theory about color right.
If your hanging around the 5 or 6 inch club hang your self now, if your in the 7 inch club end it quicker, rat poison is the way to go and if your over that dont getto confident because I think like 1 in 4 are bigger than you. Eat a 45 auto mag because yor not big, surely not after reading this thread.
I dated a girl, she was a whore and told me that even though I was 6 inches before PE I was the smallest pathetic little teeney weeney she ever had, every one ele was at least 9 inches and one was over 17 and his girth was as big as my thigh!
Now for every one that thinks there are alot of dicks over 8, good on ya but the fact is for every one of those there are a thousand under 6.
have fun talking about other big dcks and remember to just abuse the hell out of the multi quote button because it just makes ya look like a rocket scientist people.
I am going to pull my dick of with pair of vise grips now, peace

I haven't been on in a while but this was hands down the funniest post I have read on here, good work!

[drabman Member Find all posts View Profile Close drabman]

This really is a silly argument..

No it isn't. It is indisputable that you suggested men with larger than average penises are more likely to be found at a party. Your exact words were,

"A group of your friends at a party" is already a population that is likely to have a larger penis on average."

All I was trying to do was show that the group wasn't a true random sample...

Yes. You were trying to argue that the average size might be as much as an inch larger than most surveys suggest (5.5NBP instead of 5.5 BP) because of that. You have ignored the fact that not just one, or two, but many different and independent surveys, at different times, in different countries have all arrived at very similar conclusions. You have also ignored the possibility that the lack of randomness of the populations sampled, might actually lead to the average size being inflated - i.e men who are embarrassed about their size might not be willing to participate in a survey.

I proposed a hypothesis to show how there might be a slight difference. The difference might be .00001% or 1% or 2%. I just don't want my words to be twisted so I'll try to be clear here.

But I believe your hypothesis is deeply flawed. I haven't twisted your words at all.

We often hear about men with small penises who are afraid to be in social situations with women. I doubt the same percentage of men with large penises have this problem. Can we agree on that?

No. I still think the idea is nonsensical.

If you are trying to say that more of the tiny percentage of men with micropenises will avoid having sex with women compared to all other men, be they average or large, you might be able to convince me. However that is not what you seem to be saying - "social situations with women" do not usually lead to sex (at least not for most men).

Many things can cause men to have a lack of confidence in general and with women in particular. Insecurity about penis size is undoubtedly one, but there are many others.

Given that not all men with a smaller than average penis (or those who erroneously believe this to be true) are unconfident around women, there must be something that triggers this fear in small men who are concerned about their size. Consequently size anxiety is likely to be a symptom of a particular mindset and not a cause in itself. This mindset can be caused by many things, such as upbringing, life experience, propensity to anxiety and many more. Men with large penises are not immune from these things and therefore from this mindset. This is before you even begin to consider that many men with large penises do not even realise they are large.

I would describe myself as much less confident around women than is normal (I have not had a relationship since April 1995). I am at best 8.5 BP by 5.5 and I'm often told I'm more attractive than average, although I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. Until I started posting on PE sites I refused to believe I was bigger than average - it took me some time, and the reading of many posts on the results of numerous surveys, plus research of my own, before I could shake that belief. While I'm now confident I have a big penis, that doesn't affect my confidence in any other walk of life.

All you can conclude from the fact a man knows he has a big penis is that he's confident about having a big penis. You can't assume that he is confident about anything else.

If parties contain fewer percentages of micropenises(than a random sampling of men), then this raises its overall average. Where am I going wrong here?

You are making wild assumptions in order to support a pet theory. You don't know that a party will have a lower percentage of small penises and/or a higher percentage of large ones. As I say, I very much doubt they do, unless it's some kind of nudist affair. I have been to hundreds of parties in my time, but I doubt more than a mere handful of people I met at said parties has any idea of the size of my penis. The only ones that do know only know because I voluntarily showed it to them (one night-stands, before anyone gets the wrong idea). If I had a micropenis then I would probably never have put myself in that position. However I still might have gone to the same parties.

In any case micropenises are so rare as to be virtually irrelevant to the discussion, even if you are trying to use an exception to prove a rule.

[drabman Member Find all posts View Profile Close drabman]

This is really becoming one of those threads, do we need to discuss how everybody knows the names and dates of every dick survey that has ever been done. The average ding dong is around(I said around, not exactly) 5 and 1/2 to 6 inches. Now can we all just get back to worrying about our own goo shooting custard cannons or can we find more ways to discuss who knows more about dick size, odds are your all wrong about one thing or another on the subject of the size of the average love wand.

There is a significant minority of posters on PE sites (and indeed elsewhere) who consistently exaggerate the average penis size, with absolutely no evidence, barring dubious anecdotes. By definition PE sites also contain a number of men who are anxious about the size of their penis - as a moderator, I'm sure you already know this.

Some of these men are living in genuine misery because of their size anxiety. Often their feelings are based on completely erroneous beliefs - beliefs which are reinforced by some of the absolute nonsense posted about penis size by some individuals. I think this is extremely sad. As a consequence I often feel the need to challenge some of the rubbish posted.

In order to do this effectively, I believe it is important to draw attention to the facts, such as they are. The only appropriate method that comes to mind, is to refer to the surveys that have been conducted on the subject. If you feel this is boring, or disruptive, or unhelpful, then as a moderator it is always open to you to lock the thread, or ban me, or resort to whatever remedy you feel is necessary. It seems rather odd to criticise a thread and implicity criticise individual posters, by adding to that thread and therefore merely compounding the problem.

[Samurai Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Samurai]

Just wanted to thank you, drabman. Your logic made perfect sense to me. I am not the only one who finds it hard to believe that the average penis is around 5.5" BPEL but you have altered my thinking. It is so easy for us to believe what people say on such matters and to take their anecdotal experiences as facts. In person the only erect penis I have ever seen is my own (probably the same as the majority of men), so you could say that a man like myself is an absolute novice when it comes to penis sizes. This lack of knowledge makes it easy to believe what you hear without seeing any real factual evidence.
I have to say that I really enjoyed your input on this thread.

[Ivor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ivor]

Without wishing to dredge up the old 'penis size vs race' debate, there does seem to be good evidence that penises in south and east Asia are smaller than they are among men of either European or African heritage. Eg. a few years ago, Durex announced that it was going to start making smaller condoms for the Indian market, as rates of slippage (caused by condoms being too big) were significantly higher there than elsewhere. And what if there were some similar general truth about east-Asian men? When you consider India and China have by far the two biggest populations in the world, and add the other big countries in south and east Asia (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, the Koreas, Japan...) and you've probably got more than half people in the world. So if penises are, on average of course, slightly smaller in these regions, they can be slightly bigger among white and black guys, and hey presto, the world average comes out as 5.5" or thereabouts.

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Jesus H Christ. Give me a break.

drabman, you may be smart but you're one hell of an arrogant person. You're making people feel like shit who are particularly touchy to this subject.

I laugh when I hear all the talk about porn using special angles, cameras, etc. Sure they do SOME of that...BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HAVE LARGE PENISES...PERIOD!

Agreed.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

There is a significant minority of posters on PE sites (and indeed elsewhere) who consistently exaggerate the average penis size, with absolutely no evidence, barring dubious anecdotes. By definition PE sites also contain a number of men who are anxious about the size of their penis - as a moderator, I'm sure you already know this.

Some of these men are living in genuine misery because of their size anxiety. Often their feelings are based on completely erroneous beliefs - beliefs which are reinforced by some of the absolute nonsense posted about penis size by some individuals. I think this is extremely sad. As a consequence I often feel the need to challenge some of the rubbish posted.

In order to do this effectively, I believe it is important to draw attention to the facts, such as they are. The only appropriate method that comes to mind, is to refer to the surveys that have been conducted on the subject. If you feel this is boring, or disruptive, or unhelpful, then as a moderator it is always open to you to lock the thread, or ban me, or resort to whatever remedy you feel is necessary. It seems rather odd to criticise a thread and implicity criticise individual posters, by adding to that thread and therefore merely compounding the problem.

I am just stating that we dont need any more threads on the subject. Your ability to constantly show off the fact that you are a cunning linguist is getting old, using big words and referring to all the facts is getting old and your use of the multi quote button is getting boring and appears down right challenging. So however eloquently you would like to retort, I encourage you to do so but as the poster above me just pointed out you are beginning to come off as one arrogant son of a gun. Put me on the spot about banning you again and I will. State your case, just do it so you are not showcasing your use of the English language, please.

[NP97 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close NP97]

Hey guys....
I'm 14" long and 9" around. Yep.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Hey guys....
I'm 14" long and 9" around. Yep.

Well you better hit the JP 90, your almost average and should be ther soon, Ive been hanging for 8 days a week with 94 pounds for nine 40 minute sets a day and I am bigger than you by a foot, ha ha
I think the first eight inches was due to better EQ

[NP97 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close NP97]

Well you better hit the JP 90, your almost average and should be ther soon, Ive been hanging for 8 days a wseek with 94 pounds for nine 40 minute sets a day and I am bigger than you by a foot, ha ha
I think the first eight inches was due to better EQ

I know... I just want to be average so badly!

[thenewdude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close thenewdude]

drabman, you may be smart but you're one hell of an arrogant person. You're making people feel like shit who are particularly touchy to this subject.



Agreed.

He is like me. It gets old. Their are plenty of surveys (condom companies are the best source because of accuracy for the product) to get this information. The whole bigger than average is common thing gets old very fast. If you want to know average, look at most member's beginning stats (when they started). So the common thing don't really apply in a PE site, dude, when members here are about getting a larger one anyway. PLEASE!

[ColtAR-15 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ColtAR-15]

drabman, you may be smart but you're one hell of an arrogant person. You're making people feel like shit who are particularly touchy to this subject.



Agreed.

Agree also.